True - lots of Americans (most in the league?) It is worth adding that lots of the Americans on the team are from Minnesota.

I don't see Copp sticking around after becoming UFA. Recent comments from him expressing frustration about the new lockdown in MB and continued restrictions in Canada sure looked like a man interested in being more familiar and closer to home. I have a hunch he will be left exposed to Seattle (cue the allsummeroff crowd). Perhaps Seattle cuts a deal with the Jets to leave him exposed... Seattle pitches in a 2nd so we expose copp instead of Harkins.
- 2.0

I agree with you, to me Copp seems a bit like his bud Trouba in that he wants to play in the US, and that's fine, i honestly do not begrudge anyone that and it will be very annoying when everyone blames and assumes its the organizations fault.

I do not though agree Seattle will kick in a 2nd for him. This is the first time he's gone over 30 points, he has earned a raise but teams wont go nuts or over pay for him.

I agree with you, to me Copp seems a bit like his bud Trouba in that he wants to play in the US, and that's fine, i honestly do not begrudge anyone that and it will be very annoying when everyone blames and assumes its the organizations fault.

I do not though agree Seattle will kick in a 2nd for him. This is the first time he's gone over 30 points, he has earned a raise but teams wont go nuts or over pay for him.
- Ross77

Could also be a good time to trade him prior to the expansion draft. He’s a great sell high candidate.

Could also be a good time to trade him prior to the expansion draft. He’s a great sell high candidate.
- TheUltimateJet

What do you see as his ceiling?

What do you see as his ceiling?
- Tonybere

Copp has really flourished over the last couple of years. I think he could be a solid 20/20 guy and perhaps even a 30/30 guy depending on who he is playing with. It seems that Copp has that intangible ability of making players he plays with better.

What do you see as his ceiling?
- Tonybere

I often think of Bobby Holik (had a couple 60+ point years with NJ) when looking at Copp. At the core he is a defense first guy but is competent all over the ice. Very steady and reliable to deliver an effort. Good leadership qualities, good size/strength. That is the ceiling, likely more of a 20g/30a would be better to hope for. Copp has improved his game every year so far.

According to Mark Scheifele, Eichel is one of the best players in the NHL. Last year I remember watching an interview with Mark regarding Jack and he stated that he records Buffalo games just to watch Eichel. But what dose Mark Scheifele really know because according to the many posters on here, he apparently is not very good either.
- TheUltimateJet

No clue what Scheif's has to do to be considered a star on this blog. I have him as an easy top 10 C in this league, and based on his AAV, only MacKinnon is better. Look what happened after he got injured last playoffs. Scheifs is 2nd in the NHL for games with a minimum of 1 point, next to McD.

Jets at 37:1 for the Cup on Pinnacle. Ill be jumping on that one, as this is their easiest path, and we all know what the Jets are capable of when they are gelling. Who else is taking that action?

I agree with you, to me Copp seems a bit like his bud Trouba in that he wants to play in the US, and that's fine, i honestly do not begrudge anyone that and it will be very annoying when everyone blames and assumes its the organizations fault.

I do not though agree Seattle will kick in a 2nd for him. This is the first time he's gone over 30 points, he has earned a raise but teams wont go nuts or over pay for him.
- Ross77

That's fair. And not knocking Copp, but Perfetti is going to be a Jet sooner than later, with Harkins and Appleton both clawing for more TOI. I think his void can be filled if needed.

No clue what Scheif's has to do to be considered a star on this blog. I have him as an easy top 10 C in this league, and based on his AAV, only MacKinnon is better. Look what happened after he got injured last playoffs. Scheifs is 2nd in the NHL for games with a minimum of 1 point, next to McD.

Jets at 37:1 for the Cup on Pinnacle. Ill be jumping on that one, as this is their easiest path, and we all know what the Jets are capable of when they are gelling. Who else is taking that action?
- bikeguy99

for the record, I like Shief, I think he is a number one center maybe top 17-24 in the NHL. but i am absolutely still allowed to criticize his hogwash effort on back checking and his weak play in our zone. all the stas back that up. doesnt mean i hate the guy. i

That's fair. And not knocking Copp, but Perfetti is going to be a Jet sooner than later, with Harkins and Appleton both clawing for more TOI. I think his void can be filled if needed.
- bikeguy99

and Gustafsson too !

Could also be a good time to trade him prior to the expansion draft. He’s a great sell high candidate.
- TheUltimateJet

Andrew Copp? I see him as a very good 3rd line winger who can move up and play on 2nd line for a period of time. Good all-round 200-ft player with leadership qualities. Also valuable on penalty kill. Ceiling probably 20-25 range!

But I also see him as a guy who will probably want a raise to $4+ million - and he is only under team control for one more year. Jacob Trouba all over again. Red flag!

Appleton/Harkins/Vesalainen are all waiting in the wings. And cheaper!

Therefore I agree with you that it might be a good idea to flip him (+) to another team before expansion - maybe for that d-man we want? Trick is to get back d-man who is not eligible for draft.

Andrew Copp? I see him as a very good 3rd line winger who can move up and play on 2nd line for a period of time. Good all-round 200-ft player with leadership qualities. Also valuable on penalty kill. Ceiling probably 20-25 range!

But I also see him as a guy who will probably want a raise to $4+ million - and he is only under team control for one more year. Jacob Trouba all over again. Red flag!

Appleton/Harkins/Vesalainen are all waiting in the wings. And cheaper!

Therefore I agree with you that it might be a good idea to flip him (+) to another team before expansion - maybe for that d-man we want? Trick is to get back d-man who is not eligible for draft.
- grahamzky

And that brings us back to NY.
But, I thought Copp is a center? He has lots of draws according to his stats. We have less than no need for another winger.

And that brings us back to NY.
But, I thought Copp is a center? He has lots of draws according to his stats. We have less than no need for another winger.
- Tonybere

From my perspective there is too much worry about the expansion draft. The Lowry signing for me signals that Chevy already has a deal in place with the Kraken. Wishfully, it involves transferring Maurice’s contract to them.

Ideally, I would like to see the Jets aim for the fences. I really like PLD, however if a combination of PLD and Copp plus another asset can land us say an Eichel, I would be all over it. The window for this group to get a cup gets smaller and smaller as years go forward. This also allows the Jets to offer a max contract to Hamilton. Problems solved in all areas for the Jets.

lets do a survey;

-would you Fire Maurice - yes ( and all other coaches, maybe I keep Lowry, but that's the new coach's call ) also side note to this, if Seattle had any interest in Maurice and Wheeler has said a thousand times he doesn't want to play for any other coach, then I try and get Seattle to take both. if we go out in round one, we need some big time changes and I absolutely start with coach and co coach


-would you fire Chevy - no

-I don't think Copp wants to be here long term, would you trade him straight up for Nolan Patrick - yes

-with PLD, lets say we re sign Stasnty to a 2 year deal, Gustaffson, lowry and possibly as soon as next year Perfetti all here and centers, would you trade Shiefelle for a true number one Defensemen (preferably right shot ) similar age and term or younger with team control? - Ultimate will forever assume i hate and don't appreciate him but my answer is - yes

-how much do you offer Dougie Hamilton - 5 years at 8.5 million per ( it will hurt in the end but we need him)


Losing 55 would hurt but this team needs a shake up on and off the ice.

lets do a survey;

-would you Fire Maurice - yes ( and all other coaches, maybe I keep Lowry, but that's the new coach's call ) also side note to this, if Seattle had any interest in Maurice and Wheeler has said a thousand times he doesn't want to play for any other coach, then I try and get Seattle to take both. if we go out in round one, we need some big time changes and I absolutely start with coach and co coach


-would you fire Chevy - no

-I don't think Copp wants to be here long term, would you trade him straight up for Nolan Patrick - yes

-with PLD, lets say we re sign Stasnty to a 2 year deal, Gustaffson, lowry and possibly as soon as next year Perfetti all here and centers, would you trade Shiefelle for a true number one Defensemen (preferably right shot ) similar age and term or younger with team control? - Ultimate will forever assume i hate and don't appreciate him but my answer is - yes

-how much do you offer Dougie Hamilton - 5 years at 8.5 million per ( it will hurt in the end but we need him)


Losing 55 would hurt but this team needs a shake up on and off the ice.
- Ross77

Fire Maurice? Unless the Jets get totally tun-over against the Oilers, I think Maurice stays. Even then I think he might get a reprieve until we see how next season starts off. Team defense and penalty kill is definitely a concern however.

Grass is always greener on other side of fence though, isn't it? Loyalty is a huge Jet plus (or minus, depending on how you look at it).

Trade Copp for Patrick even up? A possibility I guess but would much rather trade Copp for d-man. Copp+ for d-man. Not sure who!

Trade Scheifele? Not going to happen! Too good and too cheap for next three years. Don't think fans appreciate Mark as much as they should. Back-checking is not a strong point of course though, but better lately. (I think)

We looked totally lost last season in play-in without Scheifele, we'll be lost this year without him if he goes down in playoffs. With him?

Dougie Hamilton? Certainly would be an asset, but when was the last time a top notch big-name free agent signed in Winnipeg? Even for $8 mill a no-sign.! Think the d-man missing will have to be acquired via trade.

For what's it worth, I think the Jets upset the Oilers! Six friggin' games!

And that brings us back to NY.
But, I thought Copp is a center? He has lots of draws according to his stats. We have less than no need for another winger.
- Tonybere

I'm sure Copp could play 3rd line C on a regular basis, but on the Jets it's mainly Scheifele, PLD, Stastny, Lowry and Thompson.

lets do a survey;

-would you Fire Maurice - yes ( and all other coaches, maybe I keep Lowry, but that's the new coach's call ) also side note to this, if Seattle had any interest in Maurice and Wheeler has said a thousand times he doesn't want to play for any other coach, then I try and get Seattle to take both. if we go out in round one, we need some big time changes and I absolutely start with coach and co coach


-would you fire Chevy - no

-I don't think Copp wants to be here long term, would you trade him straight up for Nolan Patrick - yes

-with PLD, lets say we re sign Stasnty to a 2 year deal, Gustaffson, lowry and possibly as soon as next year Perfetti all here and centers, would you trade Shiefelle for a true number one Defensemen (preferably right shot ) similar age and term or younger with team control? - Ultimate will forever assume i hate and don't appreciate him but my answer is - yes

-how much do you offer Dougie Hamilton - 5 years at 8.5 million per ( it will hurt in the end but we need him)


Losing 55 would hurt but this team needs a shake up on and off the ice.
- Ross77

Yes I would fire Maurice and the entire coaching staff. If it were not for coaching, we would have easily won the division and be looking forward to a long Stanley Cup run.

I am unsure about Chevelallseasonoff. It’s been 10 years of drafting and “developing”. Yet he continues to bring in guys like Thompson, Letestu and Hendricks. Also it’s disappointing he was unable to see the contract statuses of his defencemen to better plan for their depeartures.

I would be hesitant to trade Copp for Patrick. Copp has really grown on me and he also is good at indirectly holding the organization accountable for its moves. It’s important to have individuals in organizations that critically think about what’s going on around them.

What’s the point of Stastny? He’s played himself into a third line left wing position with Uncle Paul. Do we not have enough third liners in our minor league system? Defense is overrated and its all about systems - see Barry Trotz.

I like the Hamilton contract offer. He’s a true number 1.

People who want 55 gone are probably the same people that through Dale Hawerchuk (RIP) was not good enough because he was overshadowed by Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, Trottier, Messier in the 80’s. 55 is a top 10 center in this league and I am super happy he wears a Jet on his vest!!!

One common theme about tonight’s game was that all the guys that scored were American and all were drafted in 2015.

You know who else is American and drafted in 2015 - If you guessed Jack Eichel, you are absolutely right!!!!

Awww Yea!!!!

Fire Maurice? Unless the Jets get totally tun-over against the Oilers, I think Maurice stays. Even then I think he might get a reprieve until we see how next season starts off. Team defense and penalty kill is definitely a concern however.

Grass is always greener on other side of fence though, isn't it? Loyalty is a huge Jet plus (or minus, depending on how you look at it).

Trade Copp for Patrick even up? A possibility I guess but would much rather trade Copp for d-man. Copp+ for d-man. Not sure who!

Trade Scheifele? Not going to happen! Too good and too cheap for next three years. Don't think fans appreciate Mark as much as they should. Back-checking is not a strong point of course though, but better lately. (I think)

We looked totally lost last season in play-in without Scheifele, we'll be lost this year without him if he goes down in playoffs. With him?

Dougie Hamilton? Certainly would be an asset, but when was the last time a top notch big-name free agent signed in Winnipeg? Even for $8 mill a no-sign.! Think the d-man missing will have to be acquired via trade.

For what's it worth, I think the Jets upset the Oilers! Six friggin' games!
- grahamzky

I mean first round defeat two years ago, missed the playoffs last year. I think this year was Maurice’s reprieve or last chance. We just can’t keep doing the same things expecting new results. We are a very talented team and with below average coaching and it balances out to what we see. A team with enough talent to make the playoffs but with such poor systems and coaching no expectations of a run.

I would love nothing more than to get out of the North and eat my words. Anything less than that and Pomo must go

Yes I would fire Maurice and the entire coaching staff. If it were not for coaching, we would have easily won the division and be looking forward to a long Stanley Cup run.

I am unsure about Chevelallseasonoff. It’s been 10 years of drafting and “developing”. Yet he continues to bring in guys like Thompson, Letestu and Hendricks. Also it’s disappointing he was unable to see the contract statuses of his defencemen to better plan for their depeartures.

I would be hesitant to trade Copp for Patrick. Copp has really grown on me and he also is good at indirectly holding the organization accountable for its moves. It’s important to have individuals in organizations that critically think about what’s going on around them.

What’s the point of Stastny? He’s played himself into a third line left wing position with Uncle Paul. Do we not have enough third liners in our minor league system? Defense is overrated and its all about systems - see Barry Trotz.

I like the Hamilton contract offer. He’s a true number 1.

People who want 55 gone are probably the same people that through Dale Hawerchuk (RIP) was not good enough because he was overshadowed by Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, Trottier, Messier in the 80’s. 55 is a top 10 center in this league and I am super happy he wears a Jet on his vest!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Ultimate. No one wants 55 gone, don’t assume that. But if it the right trade came along for a true number one D and it had to be 55, I’d look at it and consider it. And if that happened, that’s when I consider Stastny in a 1-2 year deal. But you are right, I really don’t care too much if him or Perreault are back. But 55 isn’t top 10.

I understand if Chevy gets fired, I’d keep him but ten years is a long time. What I won’t accept is Chevy being fired and Maurice getting to stay. To me, Maurice should go first.

My Copp for Patrick was based out of a complete assumption Copp doesn’t want to be here (pure speculation on my part) and just trying to get something for him instead of nothing

lets do a survey;

-would you Fire Maurice - yes ( and all other coaches, maybe I keep Lowry, but that's the new coach's call ) also side note to this, if Seattle had any interest in Maurice and Wheeler has said a thousand times he doesn't want to play for any other coach, then I try and get Seattle to take both. if we go out in round one, we need some big time changes and I absolutely start with coach and co coach


-would you fire Chevy - no

-I don't think Copp wants to be here long term, would you trade him straight up for Nolan Patrick - yes

-with PLD, lets say we re sign Stasnty to a 2 year deal, Gustaffson, lowry and possibly as soon as next year Perfetti all here and centers, would you trade Shiefelle for a true number one Defensemen (preferably right shot ) similar age and term or younger with team control? - Ultimate will forever assume i hate and don't appreciate him but my answer is - yes

-how much do you offer Dougie Hamilton - 5 years at 8.5 million per ( it will hurt in the end but we need him)


Losing 55 would hurt but this team needs a shake up on and off the ice.
- Ross77

-Fire Maurice- Definitely, most of the coaching staff needs to go, whoever is the guy who thinks our gawd awful PK strategy is working needs to be shown the door, is that Kompon? Idk but whoever it is needs to go. I've never bought into the systems Maurice uses, even in 17-18 I wasn't buying into it. He obviously plays games with certain players and has his favorites, it's beyond tiring seeing better young players that could actually help on the ice sitting for these veteran retreads.

Fire Chevy- No, BUT he needs to be put on an extremely hot seat, it's inexcusable that he did so little to improve this crappy defense this season, it's basically no different then it was last season and then to only get Jordie Benn at the TDL is laughable, WAY too many excuses made for Dayoff, he needs to actually do something once in awhile, can't just wait for prospects to push their way in, that is if they can get through the 4th line plugs and 3rd pair dmen Chevy signs every year!

Copp for Patrick- Sure, idk if Philly would do that but if so then yeah, think if Patrick can stay healthy he's a top 6 talent, not sure if Copp is more than a 3rd liner who had a career year in a wierd season with no preseason in a weak division, he really benefited from playing so much with Ehlers as well.

Trade Scheifele for a dman- Sure depending on the dman and what kind of contract this dman has, that said I think we're dreaming in a drug induced hallucination if we think Dubois is a 1C replacement for what Scheifele does/produces.
Also Stastny is a 3rd liner now and I really doubt Perfetti is going to be ready next season, don't think we'll see Perfetti contributing to the Jets in any significant way until the 22-23 season so if the goal is to win the cup in the next two to three years this team is going to need Scheifele.
I know I said sure to trading him but realistically if they trade Scheifele it should be in a futures move for a long term retool in my opinion, if they want to win a cup they'll need a productive and tuned in Scheifele. Really can't see any of Dubois, Lowry, Stastny, Perfetti, Gustafsson being ppg 1C's in the next few years and realistically other then maybe/hopefully Perfetti none of them will ever be ppg 1C's, for all Scheifele's defensive warts he's a ppg player, not going to be easy to replace that production.

Hamilton signing- Definitely but doubt he's leaving Carolina.

Very much agree this team needs a shake up on and off the ice.

Firstly I see a lot of knocks on Chevy. I'm still a fan of Chevy and there is no argument the Jets are talented and you can thank him for that. He has drafted well and traded well. What more do you want. He tried like hell to get a top D man. They either would not waive their NTC or the GM didn't want to trade. I'm sure he could have got a deal done by giving up the farm but do we really want to do that in a Covid year where teams like Tampa and Toronto have found a way to game the cap system ?

Maurice. Well yes. If the Jets lose first round you can be pretty sure he is gonzo as well as Kompon ( who I've never liked) and likely Huddy might as well go as well. Clean slate.

How about the series against the Oilers ?? Most are pretty quick to write off the Jets here. Certainly, the odds favor the Oilers after all the head-to-head comparisons from this season. What is not factored in here are a lot of intangibles. Essentially neither team has played anything near playoff hockey this season. Hitting and heavy contact has been a rarity. Come playoffs there will be a big change here which also means a very different type of game , one which will most likely benefit the Jets. Essentially in a much tighter game it's easier to shut down McDavid and Draisaitl. Stop them and stop the team. If the refs are more lenient in the payoffs and this means less PP time for the Oilers. Take those two factors away and Jets with good goaltending may just come out ahead here. I'm going into this optimistically!....and Ehlers is back !

Jets in 6

Firstly I see a lot of knocks on Chevy. I'm still a fan of Chevy and there is no argument the Jets are talented and you can thank him for that. He has drafted well and traded well. What more do you want. He tried like hell to get a top D man. They either would not waive their NTC or the GM didn't want to trade. I'm sure he could have got a deal done by giving up the farm but do we really want to do that in a Covid year where teams like Tampa and Toronto have found a way to game the cap system ?

Maurice. Well yes. If the Jets lose first round you can be pretty sure he is gonzo as well as Kompon ( who I've never liked) and likely Huddy might as well go as well. Clean slate.

How about the series against the Oilers ?? Most are pretty quick to write off the Jets here. Certainly, the odds favor the Oilers after all the head-to-head comparisons from this season. What is not factored in here are a lot of intangibles. Essentially
neither team has played anything near playoff hockey this season. Hitting and heavy contact has been a rarity. Come playoffs there will be a big change here which also means a very different type of game , one which will most likely benefit the Jets. Essentially in a much tighter game it's easier to shut down McDavid and Draisaitl. Stop them and stop the team. If the refs are more lenient in the payoffs and this means less PP time for the Oilers. Take those two factors away and Jets with good goaltending may just come out ahead here. I'm going into this optimistically!....and Ehlers is back !

Jets in 6
- jetsnation

Am also going with Jets in six - but must stay out of the penalty box! Mr Ehlers and Mr PLD will step up, Connor will fill the net and we have reigning Vezina winner, don't we? Mike Smith, what, 39?

But the NHL would sure be disappointed if they didn't get the Mathews-McDavid final, wouldn't they?

Firstly I see a lot of knocks on Chevy. I'm still a fan of Chevy and there is no argument the Jets are talented and you can thank him for that. He has drafted well and traded well. What more do you want. He tried like hell to get a top D man. They either would not waive their NTC or the GM didn't want to trade. I'm sure he could have got a deal done by giving up the farm but do we really want to do that in a Covid year where teams like Tampa and Toronto have found a way to game the cap system ?

Maurice. Well yes. If the Jets lose first round you can be pretty sure he is gonzo as well as Kompon ( who I've never liked) and likely Huddy might as well go as well. Clean slate.

How about the series against the Oilers ?? Most are pretty quick to write off the Jets here. Certainly, the odds favor the Oilers after all the head-to-head comparisons from this season. What is not factored in here are a lot of intangibles. Essentially neither team has played anything near playoff hockey this season. Hitting and heavy contact has been a rarity. Come playoffs there will be a big change here which also means a very different type of game , one which will most likely benefit the Jets. Essentially in a much tighter game it's easier to shut down McDavid and Draisaitl. Stop them and stop the team. If the refs are more lenient in the payoffs and this means less PP time for the Oilers. Take those two factors away and Jets with good goaltending may just come out ahead here. I'm going into this optimistically!....and Ehlers is back !

Jets in 6
- jetsnation

I agree mostly about Chevy but Ultimate makes a solid point that he has to stop bringing in guys he may see as depth, press box guys when he knows full well Maurice will always play them over better more talented younger players

We talk a lot about center and the importance at that position but Vegas has been very successful since entering the league and has probably always had bottom 5 Center depth In entire NHL.
Just an interesting thought.

We talk a lot about center and the importance at that position but Vegas has been very successful since entering the league and has probably always had bottom 5 Center depth In entire NHL.
Just an interesting thought.
- Ross77

True, Jets also have bottom 5 defense depth.

The Jets forward depth is supposed to be great, if it can't outscore Edmonton's depth which isn't considered good then what, blame it on the defense I guess.