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spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jun 2 @ 11:02 AM ET
The mob will get their pound of flesh. .... unfortunately it wont be Dumbass, the source of all this... so expect nothing to really change
r8edr
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:14 AM ET
Cordell criticizing the Leafs depth production... what series was he watching? the Leafs scored 18 goals in 7 games. 6 came from Matthews/Nylander/Marner. heading into game 7 they were averaging 2 goals/game from their secondary scorers. that's usually a slam dunk to win a playoff series unless your goalie poops himself.
- DoubleDown


I agree, Todd is cherry picking to make his point. Kerfoot 6 points, Spezza 5 points, Galchenyuk 4 points. While some of the dept players were ineffective, we got enough contribution from out depeth. We had 3 forwards average over 22 minutes a game who contributed a combined 2 goals.
Frozendisc
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Boise, ID
Joined: 08.22.2018

Jun 2 @ 11:18 AM ET
The players did not perform, no doubt, but Keefe refused to change the approach. Belief is all great and dandy, until the results are not there, and they clearly were not. Adjustments needed to be made, and they were not, that falls to coaching. So in my view, 90 percent of this falls on the coaching.
cmimbri
New York Islanders
Location: manalapan, NJ
Joined: 08.28.2007

Jun 2 @ 11:25 AM ET
JT91 will get you no where other then disappointment
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:39 AM ET
The players did not perform, no doubt, but Keefe refused to change the approach. Belief is all great and dandy, until the results are not there, and they clearly were not. Adjustments needed to be made, and they were not, that falls to coaching. So in my view, 90 percent of this falls on the coaching.
- Frozendisc


Agreed.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 2 @ 12:12 PM ET
Trade Marner please
- Steven_Seagull


Why is he the scapegoat? Leafs couldn't score. Who scores their goals? Matthews. Who led the entire NHL in high dangers scoring chances per playoff game? Matthews. Who fed the bulk of those quality passes? Marner.

And on Marners over-the-glass penalty, why was the RW the last forward back? Matthews took off.

If you don't like Marner, please send him the Devs way. That kid doesn't deserve to be the leafs punching bag. Campbell let in a soft goal in almost every game, Tavares left a huge void, and the leafs were simply outworked. Matthews said the North division wasn't competitive enough, and he fell flat on his face in playoffs despite many chances. Hopefully the leafs do trade away Marner, their top scorer, and can't wait to see how they replace him.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jun 2 @ 12:35 PM ET
Why is he the scapegoat? Leafs couldn't score. Who scores their goals? Matthews. Who led the entire NHL in high dangers scoring chances per playoff game? Matthews. Who fed the bulk of those quality passes? Marner.

And on Marners over-the-glass penalty, why was the RW the last forward back? Matthews took off.

If you don't like Marner, please send him the Devs way. That kid doesn't deserve to be the leafs punching bag. Campbell let in a soft goal in almost every game, Tavares left a huge void, and the leafs were simply outworked. Matthews said the North division wasn't competitive enough, and he fell flat on his face in playoffs despite many chances. Hopefully the leafs do trade away Marner, their top scorer, and can't wait to see how they replace him.

- bikeguy99


Marner would make sense in NJ. No need for playoff production when you don't make the playoffs!!

How do you give Marner a pass for that delay of game penalty? He was the guy back, good for him. He also had almost 3 seconds to fire it down the ice, but had to make a pretty-looking flip down the ice. Just stupid. He is flash over substance, always. Of course you want production through the season, but he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is soft and not willing to pay the price to fight to the middle in the playoffs when the refs aren't calling penalties.
He has to go if they want change. But, not til the deadline so he can erase everyone's memories with another 100 reg. season points.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Where do the Toronto Maple Leafs go from here?
- ToddCordellVAN

Golfing?
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 2 @ 2:56 PM ET
The Shanaplan has had 7 yrs and couldn’t get this right. Dubas traded for JT before resigning Mathews, Marner & Nylander which was just stupidity and poor money management. So MLSE board should fire these 2 to start then let the new Pres hire his GM and GM hire the new coach. Keep Mathews, Nylander, Kerfoot, Hyman, Foligno, Spezza Engvall Campbell the D core and the young prospects, everyone else is tradebait.
- CDNHockeyRocks

So keep the same roster that just failed. Seems wise.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 2 @ 3:21 PM ET
So keep the same roster that just failed. Seems wise.
- wreckage


One significant name left off the "keep" list ...
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Jun 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
They had a good one in Barabanov but did not use him right. They should have balanced the lines and put this guy in a top six with a chance to excel but they did not. Too top heavy and predictable. By the way Barabanov is signed by SJ for next year and was a great fit in the top six. When you use the same five for everything it catches up with you. However since Toronto is the center of the universe I will say go Isles go, now there is a team that plays like a team.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jun 3 @ 9:30 AM ET
Just a observation both Mitch and Austin were asked if top heavy salaries hamper the team. Basically saying by being overpaid are you hurting the team.

Its a very high pressure question.... interesting to see the reaction to pressure.

Mitch gave a fairly reasonable answer
Austin couldnt put any words out at all

bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 3 @ 10:33 AM ET
Marner would make sense in NJ. No need for playoff production when you don't make the playoffs!!

How do you give Marner a pass for that delay of game penalty? He was the guy back, good for him. He also had almost 3 seconds to fire it down the ice, but had to make a pretty-looking flip down the ice. Just stupid. He is flash over substance, always. Of course you want production through the season, but he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is soft and not willing to pay the price to fight to the middle in the playoffs when the refs aren't calling penalties.
He has to go if they want change. But, not til the deadline so he can erase everyone's memories with another 100 reg. season points.

- Tonybere


Did a rangers fan just call the leafs soft? cough***Buchnevic***.... And ya Marner sucks. Only led the team in scoring, good for 3rd in the league. Hey, I hope they are all on the same page as you and trade him away! I am sure Matthews will find a new elite passer in no time.
r8edr
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jun 3 @ 11:00 AM ET
Did a rangers fan just call the leafs soft? cough***Buchnevic***.... And ya Marner sucks. Only led the team in scoring, good for 3rd in the league. Hey, I hope they are all on the same page as you and trade him away! I am sure Matthews will find a new elite passer in no time.
- bikeguy99


As much as I agree with most of what you are saying, Matthews will score elite numbers of goals with or without Marner. He was scoring at a 40+ goal rate the first 3 years, improving every year without Marner. Hyman seems to be just as important if not more on Matthews wing, then Marner.


Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 3 @ 3:16 PM ET
golfing
- BINGO!

tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 4 @ 8:42 PM ET
Kings will only agree to trade for Matthews if Toronto agrees to retain his moustache.
aziffles
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: fort erie, ON
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 5 @ 12:25 AM ET
Big leaf fan. A long while. I get the frustration. Trade anyone of those core four. And you 'll have to ask yourself why every other NHL team will be in that line up to acquire one of them. LOL And every non leaf fan on here kicking the team when they are down will be laughing doubly as hard when you give up one of those players away. Giving up on a core that's what about 23 yrs old. What did the bolts do when they got swept by the blue jackets. Did they trade any of the core? No they didn't have a big enough fan base to scream that the sky is falling. So management didn't panic and made adjustments. The habs were always gonna key on mathews , marner and hyman. Without tavares as a secondary threat was devastating. albeit nylander, and kerfoot really stepped up. But that left the third and fourth lines basically inept. with the exception of the best 700000 dollar player in the league. spezza. It was a formula for something to go wrong and it did. But to panic this early is insane. The masses are asses. Don't be one. Trade marner lol top five in points getter in the league. Yes i know its all about the playoffs. these guys will get it right. players dont peek till they are 28.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Planet of the Leafs, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 6 @ 12:25 AM ET
Big leaf fan. A long while. I get the frustration. Trade anyone of those core four. And you 'll have to ask yourself why every other NHL team will be in that line up to acquire one of them. LOL And every non leaf fan on here kicking the team when they are down will be laughing doubly as hard when you give up one of those players away. Giving up on a core that's what about 23 yrs old. What did the bolts do when they got swept by the blue jackets. Did they trade any of the core? No they didn't have a big enough fan base to scream that the sky is falling. So management didn't panic and made adjustments. The habs were always gonna key on mathews , marner and hyman. Without tavares as a secondary threat was devastating. albeit nylander, and kerfoot really stepped up. But that left the third and fourth lines basically inept. with the exception of the best 700000 dollar player in the league. spezza. It was a formula for something to go wrong and it did. But to panic this early is insane. The masses are asses. Don't be one. Trade marner lol top five in points getter in the league. Yes i know its all about the playoffs. these guys will get it right. players dont peek till they are 28.
- aziffles


Yep. Only Leaf fans could come up with the brainwave to trade away a home-drafted 24 year old top 4 overall scorer in response to adversity.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 7 @ 11:27 AM ET
As much as I agree with most of what you are saying, Matthews will score elite numbers of goals with or without Marner. He was scoring at a 40+ goal rate the first 3 years, improving every year without Marner. Hyman seems to be just as important if not more on Matthews wing, then Marner.
- r8edr


I have to disagree with that, Marner finished 2nd only to McDavid in primary assists....again! The kid constantly drags away two defenders and his patience and poise creates the bulk of their opportunities. Matthews is an unreal sniper, and I can't take that away from the kid, but as a 1C his 32 assists as a career high is a farcry from any Hart/Lady Bing/ Stanley Cup Champ. Take away Marner, and his numbers are only dropping. Hyman was great! But I can't ever say he is better than Marner. Looking at Connor Browns performance both the Canada Men's squad, and Ott this season, they sure missed a guy like him as well.

Gotta give credit to Mtl as well. They are well on their way to punching a ticket to the final 4.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 8 @ 2:08 PM ET
I think you have to keep an open mind but the Core shouldnt be touched unless theres a must accept offer.

Personally I hated most the moves Dubas made last offseason, thats actually a good thing because I hated the moves because they made the Leafs better

This was arguably the best Leafs team TOR has had in last 2 decades which is why fans are extremely frustrated that they lost to Montreal. However panic moves should not be made. Remember this core is still in their early 20s. They will continue to improve.

For now the biggest issue to address is the depth. Having JT is great but when he got hurt the gap between JT to Kerfoot is just ridiculous. Leafs need to find a way to improve their Bottom 6 because if Marner and Matthews struggle or god forbid a top player gets hurt, the Leafs have little to fall back on
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 8 @ 3:56 PM ET
I think you have to keep an open mind but the Core shouldnt be touched unless theres a must accept offer.

Personally I hated most the moves Dubas made last offseason, thats actually a good thing because I hated the moves because they made the Leafs better

This was arguably the best Leafs team TOR has had in last 2 decades which is why fans are extremely frustrated that they lost to Montreal. However panic moves should not be made. Remember this core is still in their early 20s. They will continue to improve.

For now the biggest issue to address is the depth. Having JT is great but when he got hurt the gap between JT to Kerfoot is just ridiculous. Leafs need to find a way to improve their Bottom 6 because if Marner and Matthews struggle or god forbid a top player gets hurt, the Leafs have little to fall back on

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Only problem is most dynasty's have some stars on ELC's. Leafs are running out of cap space. Im curious what they decide to do with goaltending going forward. Campbell was good, but had been letting in a questionable goal in almost all of his final 10 games, and his career high is 31 games. It just leaves room for doubt that he can maintain his numbers as a 1G heading into his 30's. Not criticizing the guy, but just not 100% sold that he is "the guy"
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 8 @ 6:09 PM ET
Only problem is most dynasty's have some stars on ELC's. Leafs are running out of cap space. Im curious what they decide to do with goaltending going forward. Campbell was good, but had been letting in a questionable goal in almost all of his final 10 games, and his career high is 31 games. It just leaves room for doubt that he can maintain his numbers as a 1G heading into his 30's. Not criticizing the guy, but just not 100% sold that he is "the guy"
- bikeguy99


Leafs arent one of those teams though. Their stars have been paid. If they can dump Kerfoot, they can probably address some of their needs.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 9 @ 12:24 AM ET
Big leaf fan. A long while. I get the frustration. Trade anyone of those core four. And you 'll have to ask yourself why every other NHL team will be in that line up to acquire one of them. LOL And every non leaf fan on here kicking the team when they are down will be laughing doubly as hard when you give up one of those players away. Giving up on a core that's what about 23 yrs old. What did the bolts do when they got swept by the blue jackets. Did they trade any of the core? No they didn't have a big enough fan base to scream that the sky is falling. So management didn't panic and made adjustments. The habs were always gonna key on mathews , marner and hyman. Without tavares as a secondary threat was devastating. albeit nylander, and kerfoot really stepped up. But that left the third and fourth lines basically inept. with the exception of the best 700000 dollar player in the league. spezza. It was a formula for something to go wrong and it did. But to panic this early is insane. The masses are asses. Don't be one. Trade marner lol top five in points getter in the league. Yes i know its all about the playoffs. these guys will get it right. players dont peek till they are 28.
- aziffles


Two of the three playoffs before TB was bounced in 1st round they made it to Conference Finals. Leafs on the other hand have been bounced in 1st round 5 consecutive years.

Compare apple to apples, not apples to oranges.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 9 @ 2:10 PM ET
Two of the three playoffs before TB was bounced in 1st round they made it to Conference Finals. Leafs on the other hand have been bounced in 1st round 5 consecutive years.

Compare apple to apples, not apples to oranges.

- Nasty_Duck


Leafs need an elite pest. A Marchand or Tkachuk. I know that is not coming up via UFA, and the asking price would require one of the big 4 to go back the other way, but they need a guy who knows how to contribute in a meaningful way when unable to score. Whether its a Danault, who shuts down every teams top scorers, or a guy who can score in bunches, or just start bringing emotions into the game via fights or chippy stuff like the above mentioned, it does make a big impact. You won't find a bruins or flames fan who complains about Tkachuk or Marchand during their rare scoring slumps. They are always doing something, and the current leafs core remains fairly predictable and 1-dimensional.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 9 @ 4:02 PM ET
Leafs need an elite pest. A Marchand or Tkachuk. I know that is not coming up via UFA, and the asking price would require one of the big 4 to go back the other way, but they need a guy who knows how to contribute in a meaningful way when unable to score. Whether its a Danault, who shuts down every teams top scorers, or a guy who can score in bunches, or just start bringing emotions into the game via fights or chippy stuff like the above mentioned, it does make a big impact. You won't find a bruins or flames fan who complains about Tkachuk or Marchand during their rare scoring slumps. They are always doing something, and the current leafs core remains fairly predictable and 1-dimensional.
- bikeguy99


True. Marchand rarely goes unnoticed.
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