I wouldn’t even know how to flag someone....if I have it was by mistake.
- landros 2

Its the button on the left of the quote/reply button. Alarm bells go off immediately in Ek's basement.

This isn’t entirely true but you bring up and interesting point, that I’d like to point out.

Provorov wasn’t apart of the group you claim they tried to build around. For along time it was the 5 forwards you named. Schenn only saw one season with Konency and Provorov. Once we drafted Nolan Patrick, that same draft Schenn was traded within a couple of hours. As most know, I was against the Schenn deal. I still am.

Really think about it. Schenn was a really good, young player for us. We let him go and the wheels kinda feel off a little. Patrick wasn’t what we had hoped and Simmonds showed signs of decline that same season. So what do we do? We sign JvR to replace Simmonds’ role and we sign Hayes to be a better two way forward than Schenn was but you can question whether or not Hayes is what we expected.

I very much would have liked to have seen a season of Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Simmonds, Konency, Patrick and Schenn on one team.
- SuperSchennBros

Schenn was an underachiever for us though. Long, long periods of listless, ineffective play during the season. Not a factor in playoffs or big games. The trade was a long time coming. Bill thought it might happen.

Schenn was an underachiever for us though. Long, long periods of listless, ineffective play during the season. Not a factor in playoffs or big games. The trade was a long time coming. Bill thought it might happen.
- PT21

This was posted back in late March.


https://thehockeywriters....n-schenn-trade-revisited/

I'm thinking Schenn really wanted to play center. So maybe he let that get to him while he was here. We got a good one in Farabee, and If Frost turns in to a player than maybe the trade was worth it, but for now, I think St. Louis won that trade and its not really close.

Schenn was an underachiever for us though. Long, long periods of listless, ineffective play during the season. Not a factor in playoffs or big games. The trade was a long time coming. Bill thought it might happen.
- PT21

Schenn was the league leading PP point producer I believe his last season as a Flyer. He was also 25 and constantly switching from wing to center.

It doesn’t matter now, they’re not really complaining in St Louis.

This was posted back in late March.


https://thehockeywriters....n-schenn-trade-revisited/

I'm thinking Schenn really wanted to play center. So maybe he let that get to him while he was here. We got a good one in Farabee, and If Frost turns in to a player than maybe the trade was worth it, but for now, I think St. Louis won that trade and its not really close.
- MBFlyerfan

Thanks.

But why? Farabee has more points than Schenn this year. Frost hasn't even started yet. To me personally at least, Farabee looks far more convincing in his promise than Schenn. Further, Schenn is meh in the playoffs for Blues: 18 points in 39 games.

Schenn was the league leading PP point producer I believe his last season as a Flyer. He was also 25 and constantly switching from wing to center.

It doesn’t matter now, they’re not really complaining in St Louis.
- SuperSchennBros

He has been a good fit for their style...but I like the trade Bee looks like he might actually have something going on there....

Thanks.

But why? Farabee has more points than Schenn this year. Frost hasn't even started yet. To me personally at least, Farabee looks far more convincing in his promise than Schenn. Further, Schenn is meh in the playoffs for Blues: 18 points in 39 games.
- PT21

I mainly look at the Stanley Cup they won. Other than that, you make good points.

I mainly look at the Stanley Cup they won. Other than that, you make good points.
- MBFlyerfan

Sure, but Cups are never an individual achievement. Sometimes a goalie can almost backpack a team, but it still takes a group effort.

Binnington was playing way over his head, too.

Lol seriously. If you have 100s of email addresses you’re a (frank)ing whacko.
- Ftown19125

This is true. Ima wacko… also true I really do have about 100 accounts

I see. I don't remember you saying anything ever thats 'bannable', but I did not see it for Kingkenzo or Claudefather either. Or, at least in the last instance, for MJL either. But hey, what do I know. 🤷
- PT21

I’m all honesty from time to time discussions get heated and the occasional name is called. By many. Ok you want to throw a ban for that fine. Problem is very often nothing done (preferred) but then these mods go and ban on random no rule breaking comments. Clearly a game is played and why sites such as these loose followers

This is true. Ima wacko… also true I really do have about 100 accounts
- Im back yet again

I did that for awhile in order to get free trial periods of Sirius on my work PC.

Eventually they figured out people were doing this and stopped the process, but it took like two years.

I wonder if they’re desperate again enough that the ability is back again...

This was posted back in late March.


https://thehockeywriters....n-schenn-trade-revisited/

I'm thinking Schenn really wanted to play center. So maybe he let that get to him while he was here. We got a good one in Farabee, and If Frost turns in to a player than maybe the trade was worth it, but for now, I think St. Louis won that trade and its not really close.
- MBFlyerfan

Shame on management for thinking Nolan Patrick was going to replace Schenn immediately, huge mistake. That same season we should have unloaded Simmonds and Voracek (definitely the tougher of the two). Schenn also struggled to fit in here, he was bounced around quite a bit but it never seemed like the right fit.

Shame on management for thinking Nolan Patrick was going to replace Schenn immediately, huge mistake. That same season we should have unloaded Simmonds and Voracek (definitely the tougher of the two). Schenn also struggled to fit in here, he was bounced around quite a bit but it never seemed like the right fit.
- ClaudeFather

Set the franchise back several years imo. Half assed rebuild.

I see. I don't remember you saying anything ever thats 'bannable', but I did not see it for Kingkenzo or Claudefather either. Or, at least in the last instance, for MJL either. But hey, what do I know. 🤷
- PT21

Is that what happened to MJL, he was banned?

This isn’t entirely true but you bring up and interesting point, that I’d like to point out.

Provorov wasn’t apart of the group you claim they tried to build around. For along time it was the 5 forwards you named. Schenn only saw one season with Konency and Provorov. Once we drafted Nolan Patrick, that same draft Schenn was traded within a couple of hours. As most know, I was against the Schenn deal. I still am.

Really think about it. Schenn was a really good, young player for us. We let him go and the wheels kinda feel off a little. Patrick wasn’t what we had hoped and Simmonds showed signs of decline that same season. So what do we do? We sign JvR to replace Simmonds’ role and we sign Hayes to be a better two way forward than Schenn was but you can question whether or not Hayes is what we expected.

I very much would have liked to have seen a season of Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Simmonds, Konency, Patrick and Schenn on one team.
- SuperSchennBros

I didn't claim they tried to build around anyone. I said they should have built around those guys if they were not going to tear it down.

Trading Schenn and keeping others didn't make sense to me. Though to them it did as they thought Patrick was going to come in right away and be a top 2 center.

The Blues in turn showed the Flyers they were wrong as Schenn can play center and play it well. Unlike the the stacked Flyers they gave him the opportunity.

I didn't claim they tried to build around anyone. I said they should have built around those guys if they were not going to tear it down.

Trading Schenn and keeping others didn't make sense to me. Though to them it did as they thought Patrick was going to come in right away and be a top 2 center.

The Blues in turn showed the Flyers they were wrong as Schenn can play center and play it well. Unlike the the stacked Flyers they gave him the opportunity.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree the others should have been moved at the same time but sometimes a player just doesn’t mesh with your lineup, he found a great spot playing with jaden Schwartz.

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No. That would only be the case if said talent is evenly distributed across the top of the draft and across every year. I never said it was.

And again with this reasoning? Did I ever say that you just drafted high and that is all it took and it was a ticket to the parade? it gives you far better odd than the alternative is what I said.

Anyway, what's your plan to the cup? Couturier and Hayes are your likely 1-2 for the next many years. If not 1-2, then they are 2 of top 3. You surely don't expect them to contend next 2 years or so. That means both will be 30+ before we reach contending status. What was the last team that won and had 18% of their salary tied up in 2 top centers each over 30? Lets hear some details without wild "maybe Foerster will be a 50 goal a year player" type craziness.
- PT21

For me, the biggest problem for the Flyers is not that they haven't been picking in the top 5 or even first overall. The problem is they have missed on several picks in the 1st round (e.g. Patrick, Rubtsov) and really have not uncovered any top players in the later rounds (e.g. players like Marchand, Kucherov, Point). The other problem is the Flyers have not made any good hockey trades where they have successfully augmented their current roster with top talent. I look again at Colorado as an example. They got MacKinnon with the number 1 overall pick, but its the other moves and picks they have made that has made them a serious contender. That is the big difference between a team like Colorado and a team like Edmonton. Odds can get you a great or even generational player, but its all those other moves that make a true contending team. Foerster might work out to be a great pick at 23, which wouldn't be the first time the Flyers got a top end player at this point in the draft (Giroux), only time will tell.

Set the franchise back several years imo. Half assed rebuild.
- hello it's me 2050

What set the franchise back is not the half-assed rebuild, its missing with the number 2 pick in the draft that sets the franchise back!

I agree the others should have been moved at the same time but sometimes a player just doesn’t mesh with your lineup, he found a great spot playing with jaden Schwartz.
- ClaudeFather

I think it was more the Flyers yo yoing him around then a meshing issue. Maybe some of both.

Here we are x amount of years later an the Flyers are still spinning their wheels.

What set the franchise back is not the half-assed rebuild, its missing with the number 2 pick in the draft that sets the franchise back!
- jd250

Both. Missing on Patrick killed them no doubt as created a huge whole. As did the "rebuild".

For me, the biggest problem for the Flyers is not that they haven't been picking in the top 5 or even first overall. The problem is they have missed on several picks in the 1st round (e.g. Patrick, Rubtsov) and really have not uncovered any top players in the later rounds (e.g. players like Marchand, Kucherov, Point). The other problem is the Flyers have not made any good hockey trades where they have successfully augmented their current roster with top talent. I look again at Colorado as an example. They got MacKinnon with the number 1 overall pick, but its the other moves and picks they have made that has made them a serious contender. That is the big difference between a team like Colorado and a team like Edmonton. Odds can get you a great or even generational player, but its all those other moves that make a true contending team. Foerster might work out to be a great pick at 23, which wouldn't be the first time the Flyers got a top end player at this point in the draft (Giroux), only time will tell.
- jd250

My theory/opinion, which I cannot prove, is that all these cup winning teams had an essential kernel of high end talent and the other good players were added around that kernel. For Blues it's Pietro; for Caps, its AO; for Tampa, its Hedman, Kucherov, Point; for Pens its Crosby, Malkin; for Hawks, it's Towes, Kane, Keith; for LA it is Doughty,Kopitar and so on.

Having that kernel doesn't guarantee you the cup: Edmonton, and Sharks with Thornton and many examples. But you cannot (frank)ing win without that kernel. And we don't have that kernel and further, it is not in the farm system.

Regarding the other things you said, missing on picks: well, that is true for every club. Look at Tampa and how many of their stars came after the first round (they themselves missed on those picks in the first round).

What set the franchise back is not the half-assed rebuild, its missing with the number 2 pick in the draft that sets the franchise back!
- jd250

I don't think we are contenders even with Makar opposite Provy. Watching the playoffs makes me realize how slow our forwards are, and how un-creative their game is in general.

I mainly look at the Stanley Cup they won. Other than that, you make good points.
- MBFlyerfan

Cup shouldnt influence whether or not the trade was a loss for the Flyers though. If the Flyers keep Schenn, we dont win a cup still. If Frost and Farabee become top players in the NHL, I would say it was a win/win

This is true. Ima wacko… also true I really do have about 100 accounts
- Im back yet again

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I don't think we are contenders even with Makar opposite Provy. Watching the playoffs makes me realize how slow our forwards are, and how un-creative their game is in general.
- PT21

Take a look at the teams still playing. Look at their 6 core players. Compare that to the Flyers 6 core players. Then look at each teams depth. Shows how far the Flyer are behind those teams.

Having Makar improves the team by a big margin. As that is one huge are you don't need to address. Though no not cup contenders with him.