Morin where he was drafted for sure. Patrick is a miss but hard to fault them, the luck with this kid is unreal. There were plenty of experts who had him#1. The whole build up was him or Nico. While that is true, when you look at the Flyers whole body of work for drafting, it removes any forgiveness on Patrick. They have a pattern of missing. Now they have some nice pieces that are still young. Allison, if he gets better and stays healthy is going to be a really good player. Allison has good wheels, size, shot and hockey IQ. The Flyers have some bad luck, I spoke about this last month. You look Allison then Laberge and even Rubtsov and injured. Were they all the same draft class or was Rub a different one. Either way in a 18 month period their drafting was hammered. Then Frost, then Patrick and what the hell is going on. Maybe other teams had the same amount of bad luck. It really doesn't matter, Hex had a job to do and the results are not there.

This will be the final year to grade out those picks in my opinion. If they are not healthy by now they probably will always have issues. if they don't play up this season then they are not the players Hex thought they were.

I will say I am more impressed with CF's drafting SO FAR. His kids look good and fit a need for the team.
- wcorvette

We really have had some bad luck between Patrick, Rubstov, Laberge and even Ratcliffe and Frost. All have had bad injuries since draft year or have lost a season of development practically. Honestly in college it seemed Allison wouldn’t bounce back but so happy he did.

Kubina for a second = WIN!

Grossmann for a second = WIN

AMAC for a second, third and mangene = WIN!

Walker for GAGNE = WIN!

Flyers win tons of trades
- corduroy

Ha ha.

I assume you are being facetious.

We really have had some bad luck between Patrick, Rubstov, Laberge and even Ratcliffe and Frost. All have had bad injuries since draft year or have lost a season of development practically. Honestly in college it seemed Allison wouldn’t bounce back but so happy he did.
- arichardson22

When your talking about multiple players not panning out as of yet maybe it is more than just bad luck.

Morin where he was drafted for sure. Patrick is a miss but hard to fault them, the luck with this kid is unreal. There were plenty of experts who had him#1. The whole build up was him or Nico. While that is true, when you look at the Flyers whole body of work for drafting, it removes any forgiveness on Patrick. They have a pattern of missing. Now they have some nice pieces that are still young. Allison, if he gets better and stays healthy is going to be a really good player. Allison has good wheels, size, shot and hockey IQ. The Flyers have some bad luck, I spoke about this last month. You look Allison then Laberge and even Rubtsov and injured. Were they all the same draft class or was Rub a different one. Either way in a 18 month period their drafting was hammered. Then Frost, then Patrick and what the hell is going on. Maybe other teams had the same amount of bad luck. It really doesn't matter, Hex had a job to do and the results are not there.

This will be the final year to grade out those picks in my opinion. If they are not healthy by now they probably will always have issues. if they don't play up this season then they are not the players Hex thought they were.

I will say I am more impressed with CF's drafting SO FAR. His kids look good and fit a need for the team.
- wcorvette

The same could have and was said about Hextall's drafts. You have to wait and see how the kids develop. people were creaming their jeans with frost, Patrick and Farabee, etc

Does anyone know what the rules will be for players like Foerster and Wisdom next season? They are both still technically too young to stay in the AHL and would have to go back to jrs, but it is obvious they are too good for jrs.. Will they be allowed to stay in the AHL or will it go back to being NHL or juniors until they are 20?

I wonder if they will put some sort of exemption in place for players who had to go that route?

edited to add:

Foerster wont be 20 until Jan '22
Wisdom wont be 20 until July '22

Yes, I agree with you 1000% that you need that core group of top end players to build around, and I have posted repeatedly the Flyers just don't have it right now. The only thing we are slightly misaligned with is I don't think you need to be picking top 5 to create the core group of players, though I understand your point that your odds greatly increase in finding such players when you are picking at or near the top of the draft.
- jd250

Yes exactly. If you have that kernel of best players players, sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. But if you don't have that kernel, and start becoming competitive etc., that kernel becomes harder and harder to find (b/c of the odds).

The only exception to a cup winner actually acquiring one of their very best players via trade I am aware of is Chara for the Bruins.

People who point to Tampa acquiring McDonagh and Bogosian and Shattenkirk, and Avs acquiring Kadri and Saad, and Hawks acquiring Hossa and Sharp, and Pens acquiring Kessel and so on make the following mistake: those guys supplemented the kernel. The kernel did not come from 'changing the mix.'

Does anyone know what the rules will be for players like Foerster and Wisdom next season? They are both still technically too young to go back to jrs. but it is obvious they are too good for that league. Will they be allowed to stay in the AHL or will it go back to being NHL or juniors?

I wonder if they will put some sort of exemption in place for players who had to go that route?

edited to add:

Foerster wont be 20 until Jan '22
Wisdom wont be 20 until July '22
- MBFlyerfan

Great question. That would be a horrible process. They had a layoff, then they started to learn pro style of play, then back to juniors, then back to AHL?

I hope they crack the roster!

Holmgren made a good amount of those types of trades during his tenure as GM.
- mickel25

I thought the OP was talking not just about winning the trade, but the extent of the win. Seeing a young, undervalued guy who turns out to be a star.

I honestly don't recall when that ever happened for us.

I thought the OP was talking not just about winning the trade, but the extent of the win. Seeing a young, undervalued guy who turns out to be a star.

I honestly don't recall when that ever happened for us.
- PT21

closest may have been Zhitnik for Coburn

I thought the OP was talking not just about winning the trade, but the extent of the win. Seeing a young, undervalued guy who turns out to be a star.

I honestly don't recall when that ever happened for us.
- PT21

leclair? doesn't happen often

closest may have been Zhitnik for Coburn
- corduroy

I was thinking of that too. There was a time when Coburn was thought to be a perpetual Norris candidate in the future.

He also gave us briefly (first couple of years) something we seem to never have. The threat of scoring on a slapshot from the right side on the pp.

I’ve been told numerous times you can’t play the hindsight draft game. Also other teams pass over players multiple times too.
- PLindbergh31

Yes, but other teams did not have the almighty, all-knowing, all-everything about the draft Czar himself, Ron Hextall.

I was thinking of that too. There was a time when Coburn was thought to be a perpetual Norris candidate in the future.

He also gave us briefly (first couple of years) something we seem to never have. The threat of scoring on a slapshot from the right side on the pp.
- PT21

Severely underutilized after 07

leclair? doesn't happen often
- hello it's me 2050

Leclair most definitely.

Great question. That would be a horrible process. They had a layoff, then they started to learn pro style of play, then back to juniors, then back to AHL?

I hope they crack the roster!
- PT21

I guess technically Foerster can rejoin the Phantoms in Jan, Wisdom not until the 2023 season, unless they give them exemptions based on what has already happened.

leclair? doesn't happen often
- hello it's me 2050

In that case, Leclair was an emerging star. And Recchi was an established one. Hockey trade, dunno if any team really discovered something the other didn't.

So, I meant when one team sees something in the future, and bets/gambles and wins huge. Like how the Seidenberg trade worked out for the Bruins. He became part of their 1st pairing D in a cup run, and yet was a marginal NHL player before that.

Belichick feasts on guys who are let go from the Eagles. Patrick Chung was a disaster here. And then, starting safety for how many trophies for the Pats?

I guess technically Foerster can rejoin the Phantoms in Jan, Wisdom not until the 2023 season, unless they give them exemptions based on what has already happened.
- MBFlyerfan

Can he? I thought you had to be 20 before Dec 31 of the season?

Morin, Patrick, and Rubtsov are enormous misses. None are even replacement level NHL players.
- PLindbergh31

I would put Sanheim as a miss also. He has certainly not developed into a defenseman you would take in the 1st round. In 2017 we know Patrick was a miss for sure, but even Frost was picked later in the 1st round and he has done squat so far also. Hextall's last draft in 2018 might have been his best in terms of 1st round picks, because he got Farabee and O'Brien. Farabee is certainly trending to become a worthy 1st round pick, and though O'Brien has taken a lot longer to develop, he is going in the right direction now and I think he will make the big club within 2 seasons. I think Fletcher's first round picks, York and Foerster, are both good picks that are trending in the right direction.

I would put Sanheim as a miss also. He has certainly not developed into a defenseman you would take in the 1st round. In 2017 we know Patrick was a miss for sure, but even Frost was picked later in the 1st round and he has done squat so far also. Hextall's last draft in 2018 might have been his best in terms of 1st round picks, because he got Farabee and O'Brien. Farabee is certainly trending to become a worthy 1st round pick, and though O'Brien has taken a lot longer to develop, he is going in the right direction now and I think he will make the big club within 2 seasons. I think Fletcher's first round picks, York and Foerster, are both good picks that are trending in the right direction.
- jd250

No one knew Patrick was a bust in 2017. He had a decent rookie season

We really have had some bad luck between Patrick, Rubstov, Laberge and even Ratcliffe and Frost. All have had bad injuries since draft year or have lost a season of development practically. Honestly in college it seemed Allison wouldn’t bounce back but so happy he did.
- arichardson22

Forgot about Ratcliffe, big bodies need more time to develop typically. Then add in the 2 partial seasons with Covid and you have a shxt show.

Yes exactly. If you have that kernel of best players players, sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. But if you don't have that kernel, and start becoming competitive etc., that kernel becomes harder and harder to find (b/c of the odds).

The only exception to a cup winner actually acquiring one of their very best players via trade I am aware of is Chara for the Bruins.

People who point to Tampa acquiring McDonagh and Bogosian and Shattenkirk, and Avs acquiring Kadri and Saad, and Hawks acquiring Hossa and Sharp, and Pens acquiring Kessel and so on make the following mistake: those guys supplemented the kernel. The kernel did not come from 'changing the mix.'
- PT21

Chara was signed as a FA by the Bruins. That year (2006) the Bruins, reeling from several down years, signed Chara and Mark Savard to very high priced deals. I remember this because this was way out of character for the Bruins up to that point.

Leclair most definitely.
- MBFlyerfan

Surprised Dionne didn't turn into at least a solid NHL player. Didn't think he would fizzle so quickly.

No one knew Patrick was a bust in 2017. He had a decent rookie season
- corduroy

Patrick had 30 points his rookie season. Elias Pettersson (drafted 5th overall) had 66 points. Nico Hischier (drafted right before Patrick) had 52 points. Cale Makar, a defenseman drafted 4th overall that year, had 50 points his rookie season. So based on this, I would say Patrick did not have a good rookie season based on being the number 2 overall pick.

I would put Sanheim as a miss also. He has certainly not developed into a defenseman you would take in the 1st round. In 2017 we know Patrick was a miss for sure, but even Frost was picked later in the 1st round and he has done squat so far also. Hextall's last draft in 2018 might have been his best in terms of 1st round picks, because he got Farabee and O'Brien. Farabee is certainly trending to become a worthy 1st round pick, and though O'Brien has taken a lot longer to develop, he is going in the right direction now and I think he will make the big club within 2 seasons. I think Fletcher's first round picks, York and Foerster, are both good picks that are trending in the right direction.
- jd250

Well O'Brien was injured too? But I have hope for him, his skill set is a real need for the team, speed and skill. I disagree on Sanheim, he has size, can skate and has O upside. I think he quietly had the best D season of all D, not saying much. It is really about the 6, you can't get the best of Sanheim when he doesn't have the right partner. You can't expect the best of Prvoy without it. I think if you look at Seth Jones with and without Werenski you will see Jones Benefits from having the right partner. I think a duo of Provy/Jones would have similar results. Jones is more of a stay home D, it would allow Provy to push the O, he has a real good shot. Sanheim would benefit from the same, all D do. Sanheim at 14, when your biggest need is D was a good pick, still not in his prime.

By the way Columbus has 3 1st rounds picks. They will move Jones and Werenski only has 1 more year. It feels like, looks like a full rebuild. CF needs to be on the phone with them.

Kubina for a second = WIN!

Grossmann for a second = WIN

AMAC for a second, third and mangene = WIN!

Walker for GAGNE = WIN!

Flyers win tons of trades
- corduroy

These are marginal wins where the player we got was a non impact or marginal player....I am talking about a Norris defenseman..a 30 goal scorer for virtually nothing in Fox and Zibanejad...and you are gonna give me AMAC???