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peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 1:53 PM ET
Thanks for posting that article from the Atlantic. Good read on what might be on the trade table.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:01 PM ET
Thanks for posting that article from the Atlantic. Good read on what might be on the trade table.
- peesinwind



As with any trade its going to take two teams, perhaps more, to make a deal with the cap the way it is. I think in most cases we will be dealing our problem/trash/whatever for another teams problem/trash/whatever.

For example I cant see dealing Voracek for anything that will help us. Especially if we retain salary. I see that as we end up trading him for a lesser player while having to retain a good part of his salary. What is the point?

Hopefully the hawkey gawds smile on us and we lose a player in the ED who carries a cap hit that makes a difference.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:07 PM ET
Bill, enjoy your family vacation.

Regarding the expansion draft. I agreed with Bill’s view on an earlier blog. Expose JVR and Jake on the forward side. Leaving them the choice of taking on a good player with a big contract or a low level role player on the cheap. Those types will be a dime a dozen but a Jake or JVR are very good players. They can produce.

On defense it is an easy call. Protect Provy, Travis and Myers. Ghost is a good player but maybe replaceable with York and may not be the best fit for this unit. He is talented and if a team wants a PP quarterback he is an option for them.

I think most likely they lose JVR. But they could protect him and expose Patrick and see if a team would rather go after Jake. Risky though. Patrick is still a talent even though the year was a rough one. And he is on the cheap. The Flyers would get not cap relief.

I might roll the dice but I think the Flyers will do what Bill was thinking and JVR gets poached.

Edit: I hope the Flyers don’t try and throw in assets to get the Kraken to take a Jake. No way. Just let them choose who we leave them and deal with it.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:13 PM ET
As with any trade its going to take two teams, perhaps more, to make a deal with the cap the way it is. I think in most cases we will be dealing our problem/trash/whatever for another teams problem/trash/whatever.

For example I cant see dealing Voracek for anything that will help us. Especially if we retain salary. I see that as we end up trading him for a lesser player while having to retain a good part of his salary. What is the point?

Hopefully the hawkey gawds smile on us and we lose a player in the ED who carries a cap hit that makes a difference.

- MBFlyerfan


I think Jake is undervalued some. He can produce and can be tough on the puck. He sits high on the assist leaderboard year in and year out. Big body guy but doesn't play a game where he wears it down. Played some better 200 foot hockey last year. Yes his contract is tough in this flat cap time frame. The Kraken might take him over a Patrick or Ghost if we protect JVR.

Not that I want to see him go because he would be tough to up grade or even just replace what he brings.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:18 PM ET
I think Jake is undervalued some. He can produce and can be tough on the puck. He sits high on the assist leaderboard year in and year out. Big body guy but doesn't play a game where he wears it down. Played some better 200 foot hockey last year. Yes his contract is tough in this flat cap time frame. The Kraken might take him over a Patrick or Ghost if we protect JVR.

Not that I want to see him go because he would be tough to up grade or even just replace what he brings.

- peesinwind



Yep, he still a very productive player. I think most fans are looking for a "culture" change whatever that means. They see Jake as a part of the "lazy" culture of the team. Im not sure I agree. Im not going to rehash the same beaten to death argument as to what and why things went the way they did this past season.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:31 PM ET
Yep, he still a very productive player. I think most fans are looking for a "culture" change whatever that means. They see Jake as a part of the "lazy" culture of the team. Im not sure I agree. Im not going to rehash the same beaten to death argument as to what and why things went the way they did this past season.
- MBFlyerfan


Well, I think the Flyers will know more when the expansion draft is over. If some cap space is opened up, they will be aggressive in getting a top pair D. They will try to cover from with in on some areas. York and Frost will get good looks this pre-season.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:33 PM ET
Yep, he still a very productive player. I think most fans are looking for a "culture" change whatever that means. They see Jake as a part of the "lazy" culture of the team. Im not sure I agree. Im not going to rehash the same beaten to death argument as to what and why things went the way they did this past season.
- MBFlyerfan


'they' mean any team with Voracek as one of the highest paid players will always be a loser.

I guess you disagree with no real proof other than you seem to like him
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:34 PM ET
Well, I think the Flyers will know more when the expansion draft is over. If some cap space is opened up, they will be aggressive in getting a top pair D. They will try to cover from with in on some areas. York and Frost will get good looks this pre-season.
- peesinwind



Its going to be real interesting. I see JVR or Ghost being taken by Seattle, hopefully JVR. Then trade Ghost for something. Im not sure picks or prospects will work for many teams because they will have to be sending cap space back to fit him. (as will many other teams for whoever we trade.)

Trading Patrick doesn't move the needle in any way other than to just be rid of him, and I still think the kid can play.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:34 PM ET
'they' mean any team with Voracek as one of the highest paid players will always be a loser.

I guess you disagree with no real proof other than you seem to like him

- DrMidnite


Not really, Jake pisses me off more than any other player on the team.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:47 PM ET
I don’t give a rats ass about the NBA, but why are the Sixers getting ran out of their building by the Atlanta Hawks? Aren’t they the # 1 seed?

And is Ben Simmons the Sixers Nolan Patrick? High draft pick that ain’t worth a poop. Guy can’t make a free throw.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
I don’t give a rats ass about the NBA, but why are the Sixers getting ran out of their building by the Atlanta Hawks? Aren’t they the # 1 seed?

And is Ben Simmons the Sixers Nolan Patrick? High draft pick that ain’t worth a poop. Guy can’t make a free throw.

- PLindbergh31

stop watching
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:59 PM ET
'they' mean any team with Voracek as one of the highest paid players will always be a loser.

I guess you disagree with no real proof other than you seem to like him

- DrMidnite


Jake is a top six player on just about any team in the league. Maybe a couple he would fit in as a third liner. But he would be a heck of a third liner. He carries a pretty big cap hit for sure. Not taking that away. I would think 7m would be more in line with what he brings. Jake has value. He is a good NHL hockey player. Not great. But good.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 6 @ 3:40 PM ET
I don’t give a rats ass about the NBA, but why are the Sixers getting ran out of their building by the Atlanta Hawks? Aren’t they the # 1 seed?

And is Ben Simmons the Sixers Nolan Patrick? High draft pick that ain’t worth a poop. Guy can’t make a free throw.

- PLindbergh31

Ben Simmons is a point guard that can't shoot a 3 he's useless
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 4:35 PM ET
As with any trade its going to take two teams, perhaps more, to make a deal with the cap the way it is. I think in most cases we will be dealing our problem/trash/whatever for another teams problem/trash/whatever.

For example I cant see dealing Voracek for anything that will help us. Especially if we retain salary. I see that as we end up trading him for a lesser player while having to retain a good part of his salary. What is the point?

Hopefully the hawkey gawds smile on us and we lose a player in the ED who carries a cap hit that makes a difference.

- MBFlyerfan


Jake for kessel is a win win imo. Also you can take back a lesser player and become a better team. I am not worried about replacing Jkes 50-60 points at all
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:41 PM ET
I don’t give a rats ass about the NBA, but why are the Sixers getting ran out of their building by the Atlanta Hawks? Aren’t they the # 1 seed?

And is Ben Simmons the Sixers Nolan Patrick? High draft pick that ain’t worth a poop. Guy can’t make a free throw.

- PLindbergh31


Simmons has much more effect on the game than Patrick ever has. He puts up points and he plays great D. It’s ridiculous that he can’t figure out how to shoot tho. I didn’t see the game. How’d Joel look? Are they saying he’s good to go for the next game?
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jun 6 @ 4:45 PM ET
Thanks for posting that article from the Atlantic. Good read on what might be on the trade table.
- peesinwind

Second that
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 4:56 PM ET
Jake for kessel is a win win imo. Also you can take back a lesser player and become a better team. I am not worried about replacing Jkes 50-60 points at all
- hello it's me 2050


Kessel has a NMC where he can name 8 teams he would go to. So there is that factor.
Im back
Joined: 05.27.2021

Jun 6 @ 4:58 PM ET
Kessel has a NMC where he can name 8 teams he would go to. So there is that factor.
- MBFlyerfan

Surely poopty Philly wouldn’t be on that list
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 5:05 PM ET
Kessel has a NMC where he can name 8 teams he would go to. So there is that factor.
- MBFlyerfan

then Arizona can tell him finish the season with us or go to Philly. If he wants another contract it may be in his best interest to go to Philly to put up better numbers.
Im back
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Jun 6 @ 5:14 PM ET
then Arizona can tell him finish the season with us or go to Philly. If he wants another contract it may be in his best interest to go to Philly to put up better numbers.
- hello it's me 2050

Well… arizona has better talent for that
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
Jake for kessel is a win win imo. Also you can take back a lesser player and become a better team. I am not worried about replacing Jkes 50-60 points at all
- hello it's me 2050

Jake in a full 82 season is a 60 to 80 player. Where are you getting your numbers outside of his actual stats?

As for Phil Kessel. Voracek and Kessel both had 43 points a piece. You could trade one for the other but I don’t see the point.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 5:33 PM ET
Its going to be real interesting. I see JVR or Ghost being taken by Seattle, hopefully JVR. Then trade Ghost for something. Im not sure picks or prospects will work for many teams because they will have to be sending cap space back to fit him. (as will many other teams for whoever we trade.)

Trading Patrick doesn't move the needle in any way other than to just be rid of him, and I still think the kid can play.

- MBFlyerfan


I agree on not trading Patrick. No value. He is young. There is a chance he grows into a fine player.
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 6 @ 5:39 PM ET
Its going to be real interesting. I see JVR or Ghost being taken by Seattle, hopefully JVR. Then trade Ghost for something. Im not sure picks or prospects will work for many teams because they will have to be sending cap space back to fit him. (as will many other teams for whoever we trade.)

Trading Patrick doesn't move the needle in any way other than to just be rid of him, and I still think the kid can play.

- MBFlyerfan


I don’t think anyone here knows what it takes to be a pro hockey player or can relate to what Patrick has gone through to this point. We’re currently talking about trading Voracek for Kessel. Well Kessel had an awful season for his standards one year ago but this passed season Kessel returned to form. This season Patrick Laine, Seth Jones and multiple Flyers could have been better.

One season doesn’t define a player. Definitely not a young one who made a giant leap from juniors to the NHL. If Patrick has a repeat, I get it, move him. We do need to give him one final shot though.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jun 6 @ 5:45 PM ET
I don’t think anyone here knows what it takes to be a pro hockey player or can relate to what Patrick has gone through to this point. We’re currently talking about trading Voracek for Kessel. Well Kessel had an awful season for his standards one year ago but this passed season Kessel returned to form. This season Patrick Laine, Seth Jones and multiple Flyers could have been better.

One season doesn’t define a player. Definitely not a young one who made a giant leap from juniors to the NHL. If Patrick has a repeat, I get it, move him. We do need to give him one final shot though.

- SuperSchennBros


Agreed.

And another note, Kessel was a player that all his critics called “lazy”. I don’t think this is true of either Kessel and Jake. Just saying not sure that trade changes the locker room or mentality of the team.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jun 6 @ 5:51 PM ET
Unpopular opinion but what if Seattle selects Jake and we have a deal on place where they also get ghost for a 2nd/3rd Rd pick?

Would Seattle accept that? They could the flip either player for picks or prospects before season ends of they want to...?

Am I pipe dreaming?
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