In before someone says Ivan and Farabee
- hello it's me 2050

I think a lot of people mix up Farabee's draft and think Chuck drafted him. As for Ivan, it seems Flyers Twitter has grown weary of him and don't consider him a top pairing D-man anymore

I think a lot of people mix up Farabee's draft and think Chuck drafted him. As for Ivan, it seems Flyers Twitter has grown weary of him and don't consider him a top pairing D-man anymore
- arichardson22

Both good players. Not exceptional impact player as you mentioned. People want to believe they are; Farabee may be in time as only 2nd year. Ivan I think this is what he is going forward.

It reminds me of one of those "news" stories where salon.com will say, "according to sources" and link to dailykos.com. Then you go to dailykos.com and they are saying according to sources and link to thinkprogress.com. Then thinkprogress.com links to dailykos.com.

And all three articles state that multiple sources confirm.
- MBFlyerfan

Hey MB! Got out of HB jail a couple of weeks ago but have been swamped and not paying much attention lately.

This post cracks me up because it's true. This is the methodology that the media uses these days for just about everything. How many fake news stories have we seen over the past 4+ years that do the same thing? The entire Russia collusion hoax was perpetrated in the same way. They take false info and report it like it's a fact, then all the other outlets join the circle jerk citing each other as sources in order to perpetuate a completely false narrative. Sports "journalists" are nearly as bad as political "journalists" are. Obviously, Bill Meltzer is a major exception to this. I'm glad we have him.

Both good players. Not exceptional impact player as you mentioned. People want to believe they are; Farabee may be in time as only 2nd year. Ivan I think this is what he is going forward.
- hello it's me 2050

Farabee absolutely has 1st line winger potential based on how he played this season. He came into camp strong and ready, and you know he'll keep this going since the hard off season worked had immediate results (this season). Hopefully Ivan can bounce back if we find him the right partner.

I saw some twitter thread yesterday looking at all the Hextall drafts just 1st and 2nd round and it pointed out he didn't draft a single exceptional impact player. Pretty depressing

Found it :

https://twitter.com/adima.../1402685756326486022?s=21
- arichardson22

Doesn't that tweet say top-9 C?

I guess the point is valid at the moment w NP dropped to the 4th-line and Frost missing the year, but...

If you watched the game last night, what you saw was an absolute clinic as to why you need real speed and grit to win in this league. The Islanders may not be the most skilled team, nor the toughest team. They may not have great goaltending. But what they do have is speed ... tons and tons of SPEED, and they used it last night to utterly stifle the Boston Bruins. The took away time a space, they trapped brilliantly in the neutral zone to create turnovers, and they defend perfectly in their own zone. The most impressive thing about the Islanders though is they are not a big or tough team, but they finish their checks very well, and they made the Bruins pay every time they went into the corners (just ask Carlo and McAvoy how they are feeling today). This is the model of how to play winning hockey in today's NHL, and as you can, its the exact opposite of how the Flyers play.

The Flyers are soft, slow and stupid. The Flyers run around in their own zone trying to play man on man (the Islanders don't do this BTW), they can't clear their own zone, they hit no one, and they have ZERO speed. I sincerely hope Fletcher was watching this series because now more than ever do I think the Flyers need to tank and do a complete rebuild.
- jd250

Totally agree about flyers speed. Been saying that for years. Disagree on total rebuild. Players are slotted wrong because we lack a few top elite talent at key positions 1c and 1d. We get those and we have the secondary pieces. Are speed is fine for secondary pieces. Myers sanheim York provy bee tk Oscar laughts top prospects coming have good enough speed. Just need that elite talent and like you said learn to and be taught team defense. You can teach that. Speed and elite skill can not be taught. Question is how do we get the elite talent? Trade ? Fa? Tank and draft? I think team is too good to tank unless you trade away younger players and good contract player like tk coots bee etc. well if you’re gonna do that might as well try to use them to land too elite talent without full on tank and rebuild IMO my plan would be hope Seattle take one of the big 3 contracts then try to move the other 2 for cap space. Whatever cap space you can get without adding assets or picks. Even if you only save 50% on player deal. Those 3 leave you have at least 12 mil or more cap space. Can add speed in Fa on a couple players. Addition by subtraction. Then I would try to land that 1c or 1 d in package. Coots more than likely have to go. Go from there

People forget Hedman is 30 and was drafted in 2009. It’s not like he walked into the league and took his team to back to back cup finals right off the bat. Provorov will be fine.

His new agent said something like he is still assessing the situation and will speak to the GM eventually.

That being said ASF is offering nothing but his opinion. Don't think it will have any bearing on fans "turning" on Patrick. His play will dictate that rather easily. This fresh start crap is nonsense. I do not deal himi at all unless you get 1st rd pick back and that aint happening. If he is total bust here so be it.
- hello it's me 2050

Kinda agree with your idea about not trading him but I would in package if it kept a better non roster prospect for example the deal includes frost but instead of frost we’re throwing in nopa. But also I think nopa is a complete bust so personal id trade him for anything.

Hey MB! Got out of HB jail a couple of weeks ago but have been swamped and not paying much attention lately.

This post cracks me up because it's true. This is the methodology that the media uses these days for just about everything. How many fake news stories have we seen over the past 4+ years that do the same thing? The entire Russia collusion hoax was perpetrated in the same way. They take false info and report it like it's a fact, then all the other outlets join the circle jerk citing each other as sources in order to perpetuate a completely false narrative. Sports "journalists" are nearly as bad as political "journalists" are. Obviously, Bill Meltzer is a major exception to this. I'm glad we have him.
- Letterkenney

Yea like all that fake news that the election was stolen and Trump doesn’t wear a diaper

Swami told me col chokes this series away tonight and Vegas wins

I saw some twitter thread yesterday looking at all the Hextall drafts just 1st and 2nd round and it pointed out he didn't draft a single exceptional impact player. Pretty depressing

Found it :

https://twitter.com/adima.../1402685756326486022?s=21
- arichardson22

I have been posting about this, I agree, at this point Hex does not get great marks. He drafted some nice players but no stars. Injury can not be used as an excuse now.

This is the season we either see some real talent emerge or his grade goes down

I saw some twitter thread yesterday looking at all the Hextall drafts just 1st and 2nd round and it pointed out he didn't draft a single exceptional impact player. Pretty depressing

Found it :

https://twitter.com/adima.../1402685756326486022?s=21
- arichardson22

But he did, depending on your definition of "impact"? Did he draft any superstars with his 14 to 30th overall picks, no, none are usually available then.

Drafted Sanheim, Provorov, Konecny, Hart and Farabee in the first two rounds, all of whom are contributing members to the Flyers. O'Brien was just drafted, you can't make a decision on him yet.

He got nothing out of Laberge and Rubstov in 2016 but look at the players taken after them, there's not a lot there who've made an "exceptional impact" to any team other than DeBrincat.

Patrick, Frost and Ratcliffe....who knows at this point. The much maligned Patrick has really been a sore spot for the entire organization.

did they set game one game time for Tampa V Isles?

It reminds me of one of those "news" stories where salon.com will say, "according to sources" and link to dailykos.com. Then you go to dailykos.com and they are saying according to sources and link to thinkprogress.com. Then thinkprogress.com links to dailykos.com.

And all three articles state that multiple sources confirm.
- MBFlyerfan

Very often, sources need to stay anonymous. Some of the biggest stories in US journalistic history have been broken anonymously: this includes Watergate (from the most famous anonymous source of all time: Deep Throat), illegal covert NSA surveillance of US citizens, Iran-Contra scandal, and many others.

Does the practice get abused? Of course it does. There is however no easy remedy. If someone working in an organization fears retaliation for whistle-blowing, then their time honored path is going secretly to a journalist. Because of the very nature of the process, it is difficult to police.

The answer is not to use the excuse of the follies of the media to shun it all together, or get your news from a place that tailors coverage to pander to its audience.

So, what is an educated reader to do? Learn to read stories critically. Five thirty Eight had a little guide a few years ago.

https://fivethirtyeight.c...hat-uses-unnamed-sources/

I think a lot of people mix up Farabee's draft and think Chuck drafted him. As for Ivan, it seems Flyers Twitter has grown weary of him and don't consider him a top pairing D-man anymore
- arichardson22

No Hextall Drafted both Farabee and Frost. They were the two 1st Picks Hextall got in return for Schenn. Fletcher did not make that trade.

LOL Whoops misread your comment

People forget Hedman is 30 and was drafted in 2009. It’s not like he walked into the league and took his team to back to back cup finals right off the bat. Provorov will be fine.
- black_francis

He had that elite thing going on for a long time, well before they won. Certainly by the time Provy has been in the league.

It will never happen, but would love sports journalists to be held more accountable. I wish players would rip into them more (in all sports) like they used to. That’s one thing I loved about Pronger, he didn’t hold back whatsoever with press. Even the best of the best do it. Adam Shefter did it to Carson Wentz with all these “sources” putting words in his mouth. The Guy didn’t say a single word for weeks yet endless reports about what he wanted kept coming out.
- arichardson22

In that case, it was virtually certain his camp was leaking news to the media, based on what transpired since. Just because a party is 'officially silent' doesn't mean they are secretly silent. Carson wanted o force his way out of Philly, and he did.

It is entirely possible NoPa is the same. He might be the victim of injustice, but the key word here is not injustice, but might.

Very often, sources need to stay anonymous. Some of the biggest stories in US journalistic history have been broken anonymously: this includes Watergate (from the most famous anonymous source of all time: Deep Throat), illegal covert NSA surveillance of US citizens, Iran-Contra scandal, and many others.

Does the practice get abused? Of course it does. There is however no easy remedy. If someone working in an organization fears retaliation for whistle-blowing, then their time honored path is going secretly to a journalist. Because of the very nature of the process, it is difficult to police.

The answer is not to use the excuse of the follies of the media to shun it all together, or get your news from a place that tailors coverage to pander to its audience.


what is it, 80% of the people just read the headlines?

So, what is an educated reader to do? Learn to read stories critically. Five thirty Eight had a little guide a few years ago.

https://fivethirtyeight.c...hat-uses-unnamed-sources/
- PT21

what is it, 80% of the people just read the headlines?

If you watched the game last night, what you saw was an absolute clinic as to why you need real speed and grit to win in this league. The Islanders may not be the most skilled team, nor the toughest team. They may not have great goaltending. But what they do have is speed ... tons and tons of SPEED, and they used it last night to utterly stifle the Boston Bruins. The took away time a space, they trapped brilliantly in the neutral zone to create turnovers, and they defend perfectly in their own zone. The most impressive thing about the Islanders though is they are not a big or tough team, but they finish their checks very well, and they made the Bruins pay every time they went into the corners (just ask Carlo and McAvoy how they are feeling today). This is the model of how to play winning hockey in today's NHL, and as you can, its the exact opposite of how the Flyers play.

The Flyers are soft, slow and stupid. The Flyers run around in their own zone trying to play man on man (the Islanders don't do this BTW), they can't clear their own zone, they hit no one, and they have ZERO speed. I sincerely hope Fletcher was watching this series because now more than ever do I think the Flyers need to tank and do a complete rebuild.
- jd250

I largely agree. Barzal is a danger any time he steps on the ice. The Nelson line is fast. Boston, however, could have done a better job in neutral ice.

Look at the forwards now: all except TK are average to below average in that regard. However, when have the Flyers even had a single line that had speed? I don't think they had one the last 20 years. As such, the problem of speed may be an organizational problem.

Well said Pony Tail.
- Robert's Plant

Thank you, sir vegetation.

People forget Hedman is 30 and was drafted in 2009. It’s not like he walked into the league and took his team to back to back cup finals right off the bat. Provorov will be fine.
- black_francis

Absolutely

Venture over to bizarro world from time to time, these guys are still talking about the Christ Stewart signing haha and obvious ghost being god

I largely agree. Barzal is a danger any time he steps on the ice. The Nelson line is fast. Boston, however, could have done a better job in neutral ice.

Look at the forwards now: all except TK are average to below average in that regard. However, when have the Flyers even had a single line that had speed? I don't think they had one the last 20 years. As such, the problem of speed may be an organizational problem.
- PT21

Is Barzal a star you build around?

Is Barzal a star you build around?
- mickel25

I’d take him over anyone on our own team.

I’d take him over anyone on our own team.
- ClaudeFather

i think i would too. he's really exciting to watch.