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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:24 AM ET
He was playing 2 sports before his draft year and Hockey wasn't his first choice till he realized how good he could be if he put all his time into 1 sport.
- DirtyDan


He channeled a hidden natural ability that is typically known to the scouting world when those kids are pre-teen.

I can't wait to watch his growth this year.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:25 AM ET

- gerbe75pts

not a very good screen shot...too muddy...

care to encapsulate your point in broken, non-punctuated english?
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 9 @ 10:25 AM ET
People hate Jack Quinn because he isn't better than Marco Rossi or Cole Perfetti today. I've dug pretty deep on him leading up to and post draft (after it was rumored the Sabres really liked him) and absolutely love his back story and phenomenal development curve. He was a (frank)ing nobody a year prior. That's impressive that he scaled unimaginable odds to get into the top 15 ranks.

He's going to be good, and gooder than Drew Goddamn Stafford, ya (frank)ing haters.

- TheSabresTaco


I hope you're right. I hope I eat a lot of crow on it (and not so much that he'll be a bust, never said he would, just that Rossi would be better). And honestly, even if he is better in Minny, I don't really care if Quinn is a beast for us. I do care a little bit, as I wanted Rossi's upside, which Quinn could have as well. Another thing to consider, like Hank said, he's an older kid for his draft, and would have been going against 16-20 year olds in the OHL, so right in the middle the year he blew up.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 9 @ 10:26 AM ET
byfield
Bjornfot
Turcotte
quick
8th overall

- gerbe75pts


I mean, holy overpay, but (frank) ya.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 9 @ 10:27 AM ET
(frank)in love newds.
- TheSabresTaco

Oops
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:28 AM ET
that's another one...let's say that the top five players all have the character they want...as we go through the list:

power is a safe bet who may have 2/3 upside
berniers is a top-six talent who may top out at a two-way, lower-end 1st-line center
hughes is somewhat of an unknown because of his age but projects out as a probable top-four d-man but his upside is that of a dynamic, top-pairing rearguard
eklund and guenther look to be a top-six talents with dynamic top-line upside

i guess it comes down to what you want and how you spin it

- Michael Pachla


Ok, let's say character for all top prospects is the same. Extremely driven, highly competitive, extremely coachable, etc.

Then, who plays the most valuable position? Is it 1D or 1C? What is their upside at respective positions? Does Luke Hughes overcome Owen Power in D+3/4? Does Eklund project to score 85 points on the wing playing like Ehlers, vs Beniers who plays the game like Toews, scoring 60 points a year... who is more valuable? That's a good question.

Project their physical attributes by their body composition today, which is relatively easy to do.. then you determine how dominant these kids can be by their existing and projected attributes. I wouldn't be mad if I snagged new Erik Karlsson, new Jonathan Toews, or new Nikolaj Ehlers
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 9 @ 10:31 AM ET
Ok, let's say character for all top prospects is the same. Extremely driven, highly competitive, extremely coachable, etc.

Then, who plays the most valuable position? Is it 1D or 1C? What is their upside at respective positions? Does Luke Hughes overcome Owen Power in D+3/4? Does Eklund project to score 85 points on the wing playing like Ehlers, vs Beniers who plays the game like Toews, scoring 60 points a year... who is more valuable? That's a good question.

Project their physical attributes by their body composition today, which is relatively easy to do.. then you determine how dominant these kids can be by their existing and projected attributes. I wouldn't be mad if I snagged new Erik Karlsson, new Jonathan Toews, or new Nikolaj Ehlers

- TheSabresTaco


Wallstedt if he becomes a Price.

But goalies are just so unknown.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 9 @ 10:32 AM ET
not a very good screen shot...too muddy...

care to encapsulate your point in broken, non-punctuated english?

- Michael Pachla


You can get the same value as wallstedt with cossa

https://thehockeywriters....l-draft-prospect-profile/
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:33 AM ET
Ok, let's say character for all top prospects is the same. Extremely driven, highly competitive, extremely coachable, etc.

Then, who plays the most valuable position? Is it 1D or 1C? What is their upside at respective positions? Does Luke Hughes overcome Owen Power in D+3/4? Does Eklund project to score 85 points on the wing playing like Ehlers, vs Beniers who plays the game like Toews, scoring 60 points a year... who is more valuable? That's a good question.

- TheSabresTaco


*shrugs*

kagm is no longer a rookie gm and agmka has extensive experience in that area...i guess we'll see what kind of vision they have
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 9 @ 10:33 AM ET
Oops
- Buff36

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:34 AM ET
I hope you're right. I hope I eat a lot of crow on it (and not so much that he'll be a bust, never said he would, just that Rossi would be better). And honestly, even if he is better in Minny, I don't really care if Quinn is a beast for us. I do care a little bit, as I wanted Rossi's upside, which Quinn could have as well. Another thing to consider, like Hank said, he's an older kid for his draft, and would have been going against 16-20 year olds in the OHL, so right in the middle the year he blew up.
- SDSabre


He's older, sure, but he's behind developmentally because of what truly was a late start to his career. He's going to be fun to watch. I'll be serving some piping hot crow in a few years. I love this kid.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 9 @ 10:35 AM ET
*shrugs*

kagm is no longer a rookie gm and agmka has extensive experience in that area...i guess we'll see what kind of vision they have

- Michael Pachla

Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:35 AM ET
You can get the same value as wallstedt with cossa
- gerbe75pts


is that what those charts say?...when wallstedt is playing against men while cossa is playing against teenagers/early 20 yr. olds?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 9 @ 10:35 AM ET
Interesting if you were to get Byfield and Bjornfot in a Eichel trade, what becomes more important in the draft. Do you trade down a bit. What if Rhino stays. Would you trade to say 5 if Columbus offered Elvis and another 1st.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:36 AM ET
Wallstedt if he becomes a Price.

But goalies are just so unknown.

- DirtyDan


It's been a while since an early first round whiff on a goalie has happened. So I'd actually be surprised if Wallstedt was a bust, or even average.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:36 AM ET

- homiedclown

Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 9 @ 10:37 AM ET

- homiedclown

Don't go in a elevator with him, he can see things in there for some reason.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 9 @ 10:39 AM ET
Eichel and VO
for
Byfield
Bjornfoot
2021 1st
2021 2nd
Quick
Maata
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:40 AM ET
Interesting if you were to get Byfield and Bjornfot in a Eichel trade, what becomes more important in the draft. Do you trade down a bit. What if Rhino stays. Would you trade to say 5 if Columbus offered Elvis and another 1st.
- Buff36


1 for 5, Elvis and 22? Rather have Foudy than 22.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 9 @ 10:42 AM ET
Eichel and VO
for
Byfield
Bjornfoot
2021 1st
2021 2nd
Quick
Maata

- ImThatGuy

Why are we taking back 2 LD
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:43 AM ET
Why are we taking back 2 LD
- Buff36

Maata is an unnecessary dump. Swap the 2nd, add in Kempe or Iafallo, take Maata.

Or take Gerbe's offer and send back Reinhart.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 9 @ 10:44 AM ET
1 for 5, Elvis and 22? Rather have Foudy than 22.
- TheSabresTaco

Just spitballing, really wouldn't need Foudy if Rhino stayed at C
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 9 @ 10:45 AM ET
It's been a while since an early first round whiff on a goalie has happened. So I'd actually be surprised if Wallstedt was a bust, or even average.
- TheSabresTaco


This is fair
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:45 AM ET
Just spitballing, really wouldn't need Foudy if Rhino stayed at C
- Buff36


nonsense. accumulate good players! He can play all F spots.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:46 AM ET
Maata is an unnecessary dump. Swap the 2nd, add in Kempe or Iafallo, take Maata.

Or take Gerbe's offer and send back Reinhart.

- TheSabresTaco

getting way too complicated...

it'll probably three or four pieces coming back for jack no mater which team trades for him
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