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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 8:45 AM ET
How come no one talks about the B's core being aged? Marchand is 33 both Bergeron and Krejci are 35. Pasta is young and awesome of course but so is Jakey, only 2 years apart in age...for the record, yes, I think Pasta is the superior player of the two.

Interestingly enough the Bruins had 56.25 HDCF% at 5 on 5 but only converted 4 goals on 54 HDSC. The Isles at 43.75 HDSC% had 9 goals on 42 HDSC's. That a pretty big discrepancy.

Wanted to see how this compared to the Pens series...52.25% to 47.75% for the Pens HDSC%....58 HDSC's for Pens to 53 for Isles...but...they outscored the Pens 8-6 in HDSC's.

Isles very rarely outshot the opposition or get more HDSC's but get more HDSC goals none the less...

- MattStrat


Everyone talks about that, and them being a 1 line team, and not being as good as the media makes them out to be. I got a few Boston guys on my beer league team and they talk about how poorly constructed that roster is all the time lol
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 10 @ 8:48 AM ET
How come no one talks about the B's core being aged? Marchand is 33 both Bergeron and Krejci are 35. Pasta is young and awesome of course but so is Jakey, only 2 years apart in age...for the record, yes, I think Pasta is the superior player of the two.

Interestingly enough the Bruins had 56.25 HDCF% at 5 on 5 but only converted 4 goals on 54 HDSC. The Isles at 43.75 HDSC% had 9 goals on 42 HDSC's. That a pretty big discrepancy.

Wanted to see how this compared to the Pens series...52.25% to 47.75% for the Pens HDSC%....58 HDSC's for Pens to 53 for Isles...but...they outscored the Pens 8-6 in HDSC's.

Isles very rarely outshot the opposition or get more HDSC's but get more HDSC goals none the less...

- MattStrat

I think a lot of people see the Bruins as a team where the window is closing. The one thing they have going for them that teams like the Pens and Caps don't is their 2 best players are 25 and 23 so they can rebuild around them.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:06 AM ET
Feds, Boyd and Tojo....ok ok...I stand corrected, I just dont recall seeing much chat about it in here....and Feds says pretty much everyone and every team suck hahah
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 10 @ 9:10 AM ET
Feds, Boyd and Tojo....ok ok...I stand corrected, I just dont recall seeing much chat about it in here....and Feds says pretty much everyone and every team suck hahah
- MattStrat

I only say a team or player sucks when they actually suck.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 9:28 AM ET
Feds, Boyd and Tojo....ok ok...I stand corrected, I just dont recall seeing much chat about it in here....and Feds says pretty much everyone and every team suck hahah
- MattStrat


Hahaha, yeah I feel like every time people were like "I am worried about Boston in the first round" that's when people chimed in that they're a one line team lol
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:38 AM ET
Hahaha, yeah I feel like every time people were like "I am worried about Boston in the first round" that's when people chimed in that they're a one line team lol
- j.boyd919


It seemed to me like myself and Grinder were the least concerned about the Bruins in a potential round 2 matchup. I constantly said I thought the Pens could beat them....but I dont think they suck and personally have never really considered their ages and window closing until today.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:40 AM ET
Feds, Boyd and Tojo....ok ok...I stand corrected, I just dont recall seeing much chat about it in here....and Feds says pretty much everyone and every team suck hahah
- MattStrat

We just don't talk about them as much. I did think they had a second line this year because they looked so good after getting Hall, but I should have known he'd disappear when it got tough.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:46 AM ET
We just don't talk about them as much. I did think they had a second line this year because they looked so good after getting Hall, but I should have known he'd disappear when it got tough.
- Tojo.


Hall did have a xGF of 5.03 and a 66.67 HDSC% at 5 on 5 in that series...thats pretty nuts haha.

There's a fine line between producing or not.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 9:47 AM ET
Hall did have a xGF of 5.03 and a 66.67 HDSC% at 5 on 5 in that series...thats pretty nuts haha.

There's a fine line between producing or not.

- MattStrat


Yup, the red line in between the pipes.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 10 @ 9:54 AM ET
We just don't talk about them as much. I did think they had a second line this year because they looked so good after getting Hall, but I should have known he'd disappear when it got tough.
- Tojo.


Yeah I never really felt like they were a top tier contender.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:57 AM ET
Yup, the red line in between the pipes.
- j.boyd919


hahaha


He had 5 iHDSC, good for 3rd on the team (tied with Marchand and Coyle)
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:58 AM ET
Yeah I never really felt like they were a top tier contender.
- j.boyd919



I never either, one of the reasons I thought Pens would beat them this postseason if they met up...theyre still a good team though, just not top tier.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 10 @ 9:58 AM ET
Yeah I never really felt like they were a top tier contender.
- j.boyd919

I did think Boston was best in the division by a slim margin. But not top tier. Always felt like Tampa, Colorado, LV, and maybe Carolina were ahead of everyone.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:05 AM ET
I did think Boston was best in the division by a slim margin. But not top tier. Always felt like Tampa, Colorado, LV, and maybe Carolina were ahead of everyone.
- Tojo.

Carolina still needs more scoring/shooting talent.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 10 @ 10:33 AM ET
Carolina still needs more scoring/shooting talent.
- Feds91Stammer


Obviously they need Zucker
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 10 @ 10:51 AM ET
Carolina still needs more scoring/shooting talent.
- Feds91Stammer

And a goalie.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 10 @ 10:55 AM ET
And a goalie.
- Tojo.


Obviously they need Jarry
ubjeepn2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ON
Joined: 10.27.2020

Jun 10 @ 10:58 AM ET
I don't think LeTang or Malkin are untouchable. If the offer is right, you make that move. However, with a healthy Crosby, Malkin and Carter up the middle for next season, that would be solid. Hopefully, a Legare or Poulin can come in and give some constant energy to this team. Joseph adds depth to the backline. NEED an upgrade at Goaltending. Jarry has to play better.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:59 AM ET
And a goalie.
- Tojo.

Goaltending isn’t the issue. Can’t win in the playoffs averaging 2.5 goals per 60.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 10 @ 11:00 AM ET
If Carolina doesn't bring back Martinook. He might be a good option for the Pens. He's not a huge player, but he plays the type of game Hextall would like. I'm sure CAR re-signs him though.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:14 AM ET
I'm not totally against it if he comes in at a good price...


https://www.si.com/hockey...lzfVLLK-lUn7-jRtyJSWxxR0o
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 10 @ 11:21 AM ET
I'm not totally against it if he comes in at a good price...


https://www.si.com/hockey...lzfVLLK-lUn7-jRtyJSWxxR0o

- MattStrat


If the Pens are trying to bring in a vet to play with Jarry I don't think they can afford someone who would match his price. IMO they'd be bringing in someone making less and I don't see Andersen signing for less than $3.5M. If he comes in around $1.5/$2? That would be great and they can probably send DeSmith out for a late pick.

Feds: "Andersen sucks"
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 10 @ 11:22 AM ET
If the Pens are trying to bring in a vet to play with Jarry I don't think they can afford someone who would match his price. IMO they'd be bringing in someone making less and I don't see Andersen signing for less than $3.5M. If he comes in around $1.5/$2? That would be great and they can probably send DeSmith out for a late pick.
- Rinosaur



7 mill combined cap hit for your two goalies is still very good.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 10 @ 11:22 AM ET
I'm not totally against it if he comes in at a good price...


https://www.si.com/hockey...lzfVLLK-lUn7-jRtyJSWxxR0o

- MattStrat

Talk to any Toronto fan and they’ll say he gives up easy goals at the worst times. Another Murray type.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 10 @ 11:23 AM ET
7 mill combined cap hit for your two goalies is still very good.
- MattStrat


Not arguing that, but it doesn't fit the Pens budget.
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