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onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Jun 9 @ 10:04 PM ET
I realize that it a sensitive subject as it should be , but I can't help but to wonder that instantly labeling a sick young man's actions as terrorism is a way of opening and allowing government to enact and put in legislation that infringes on individual rights.
As far as I've heard and read the London attack was by a 20 yr old white man , with no online profile!
Think about that , a young person with no Twitter, Facebook, Instagram? Weird in itself.
But to quickly label it as an attack on Islam, due to the victims religion, seems to be an agenda, how would a young man driving down the road know if a family of non whites was Islamic, sihk, Hindu, or Buddhist?
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 9 @ 11:12 PM ET
I realize that it a sensitive subject as it should be , but I can't help but to wonder that instantly labeling a sick young man's actions as terrorism is a way of opening and allowing government to enact and put in legislation that infringes on individual rights.
As far as I've heard and read the London attack was by a 20 yr old white man , with no online profile!
Think about that , a young person with no Twitter, Facebook, Instagram? Weird in itself.
But to quickly label it as an attack on Islam, due to the victims religion, seems to be an agenda, how would a young man driving down the road know if a family of non whites was Islamic, sihk, Hindu, or Buddhist?

- onesmallleap


I just.. it's just so hard... to even know where to start... because it's not worth it...

That's a huge leap to make from someone who is as uninformed and misinformed as you about the situation, to go from terrorist attack to people taking away your perceived rights. There's already terrorism laws on the books that this guy will or will not be charged with. Nothing is being added, nor talked about being added.

Misinformed, you say? Well, a whole 3 minute Google search saw that Facebook had deleted his profile a few days after the incident, so *shock* he an online profile!

Facebook has deleted the account of the London man accused of killing four members of a local Muslim family in an alleged hate-motivated attack.

The social media company confirmed it removed the account of Nathaniel Veltman, 20, who is charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder in the deadliest attack in London’s history.


Source: https://lfpress.com/news/...lers-account-after-arrest

As to your last point, this is what the police, who have evidence and are conducting the investigation, are saying about it:

Chief Steve Williams said during a news conference that the attack was purposeful.

“During the course of the investigation, we believe that this was an intentional act and that the victims of this horrific incident were targeted. We believe the victims were targeted because of their Islamic faith,” he said.


So unless you have evidence that suggests otherwise, it seems like your agenda is discrediting what is thought to be right now a religion-based attack.
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Jun 11 @ 11:53 PM ET
Ty for providing links to other information I had not read .
I am still warry of using the term terrorism lightly.
The US has used the term and label to circumvent the constitution and civil rights.
There are people who have been arrested and "disappeared " , with not access or contact to family or legal representation.
I have no doubt of this person's guilt, I am just warry of the use of the term , without thought to the deep consequences that come with it.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 12 @ 9:56 AM ET
Ty for providing links to other information I had not read .
I am still warry of using the term terrorism lightly.
The US has used the term and label to circumvent the constitution and civil rights.
There are people who have been arrested and "disappeared " , with not access or contact to family or legal representation.
I have no doubt of this person's guilt, I am just warry of the use of the term , without thought to the deep consequences that come with it.

- onesmallleap


The flip side to that is rooted in racism, though. Not using the word "terrorism" when people are singling out minorities/causing acts to incite terror has been a large talking point of progressives:

When a white person shoots up a black church or targets Muslims/Hindus/Asians, it's typically described as a mental health thing or a lone gunman.

When a minority/non-white shoots up a place, it's typically described as a terrorist incident.

This is more prevalent in the US, but it's the same mode of thinking in Canada. Why are we quick to judge one thing as a terrorist act if they're a minority, but if they're white it doesn't get the same label?

(And while I agree there is a large catch-all with "terrorism", there's a line between the judicial sentence and a more widespread cultural terrorism.)