Except it’s not cheating when you follow stupid provisions in the CBA that allow exactly what happened to happen.
- Canada Cup

It's cheating when its a judged competition. Just as there have been cheaters among judges in sports like gymnastics or figure skating, it is cheating if one team is punished for cap circumvention and others are not.

Yes I would, if the Leafs were over the cap by Auston Matthews and Nylanders' salaries combined, and sat out the regular season to allow more players to be available for the playoffs, I surely would have called it cheating. You're not trying to say that Anderson's injury (did not play a minute) or Leafs picking up Riley Nash, and Hyman having a significant knee injury are even remotely comparable here are you? Stamkos and Kucherov did not play to allow the cap to balloon to almost $100Million. They did not play hurt (as Hyman surely did) and they not only did not miss a shift, they played heavy minutes in the playoffs. It was a joke.
- winsix

Tampa Bay's playoff roster was closer to 91 million. You (and others) are including Gaborik and Nilsen - who never played a game and are dead contracts. Nonsensical to include them.

Leafs playoff roster was somewhere around 84/85ish million.

So yes - Tampa Bay put a star player on LTIR and then replaced him in the regular season (which is why LTIR exists BTW) Knowing that the cap wouldn't matter in the playoffs.

Being angry that Tampa used LTIR for the reason it exists and took advantage of the fact that the cap doesn't exist in the playoffs doesn't make sense to me.

It's cheating when its a judged competition. Just as there have been cheaters among judges in sports like gymnastics or figure skating, it is cheating if one team is punished for cap circumvention and others are not.
- winsix

It’s not cheating if they follow the rules. They followed the letter of the rules. Team doctors deemed him unfit to play. The team shared medical records with the league.

That’s the way it works. It’s a stupid system that is structured to allow bullpoop and bullpoop is what you get - not cheating.

Would require the CBA to be renegotiated
- Canada Cup

there is a provision in the CBA that states that if you do anything to circumvent the spirit of the CBA to circumvent the cap, the league can take action.

Bettman chose to turn a blind eye to it.

Yes I would, if the Leafs were over the cap by Auston Matthews and Nylanders' salaries combined, and sat out the regular season to allow more players to be available for the playoffs, I surely would have called it cheating. You're not trying to say that Anderson's injury (did not play a minute) or Leafs picking up Riley Nash, and Hyman having a significant knee injury are even remotely comparable here are you? Stamkos and Kucherov did not play to allow the cap to balloon to almost $100Million. They did not play hurt (as Hyman surely did) and they not only did not miss a shift, they played heavy minutes in the playoffs. It was a joke.
- winsix

Dubas traded for injured players to take greater advantage of the LTIR. Same thing.

It’s not cheating if they follow the rules. They followed the letter of the rules. Team doctors deemed him unfit to play. The team shared medical records with the league.

That’s the way it works. It’s a stupid system that is structured to allow bullpoop and bullpoop is what you get - not cheating.
- Canada Cup

And if anybody knows bull poop about the NHL its a Leaf fan.

It’s not cheating if they follow the rules. They followed the letter of the rules. Team doctors deemed him unfit to play. The team shared medical records with the league.

That’s the way it works. It’s a stupid system that is structured to allow bullpoop and bullpoop is what you get - not cheating.
- Canada Cup

and thus atomicwedgie saying the league is a joke.

Dubas traded for injured players to take greater advantage of the LTIR. Same thing.
- Nasty_Duck

Same thing? Nope, Dubas traded for a player that was told would be ready for they playoffs, Tampa sat one out all season that was miraculously ready for game one of the playoffs.

Dubas traded for injured players to take greater advantage of the LTIR. Same thing.
- Nasty_Duck

Not to mention Stamkos with a leg injury that healed in perfect timing.

and thus atomicwedgie saying the league is a joke.
- Interloper

They kind of hoped teams would be just a little bit pregnant. I think AW’s point was that they didn’t didn’t stop this incident and I don’t think they could have. The CBA gives the Commissioner the right to investigate but it doesn’t say anything about sending in outside doctors.

Dubas traded for injured players to take greater advantage of the LTIR. Same thing.
- Nasty_Duck

And don't kid yourself, he was ready before the playoffs they just couldn't activate him. Or Stamkos.

Same thing? Nope, Dubas traded for a player that was told would be ready for they playoffs, Tampa sat one out all season that was miraculously ready for game one of the playoffs.
- bobbyisno1

Exactly, and it just happened to be their best player and highest salary.

They kind of hoped teams would be just a little bit pregnant. I think AW’s point was that they didn’t didn’t stop this incident and I don’t think they could have. The CBA gives the Commissioner the right to investigate but it doesn’t say anything about sending in outside doctors.
- Canada Cup

So the team doctor says him and Stamkos are ready for game one and the NHL takes it as gospel, to me it smells of fish.

They kind of hoped teams would be just a little bit pregnant. I think AW’s point was that they didn’t didn’t stop this incident and I don’t think they could have. The CBA gives the Commissioner the right to investigate but it doesn’t say anything about sending in outside doctors.
- Canada Cup

Also it smells of favoritism for the deep south at the Canadian teams expense.

It’s not cheating if they follow the rules. They followed the letter of the rules. Team doctors deemed him unfit to play. The team shared medical records with the league.

That’s the way it works. It’s a stupid system that is structured to allow bullpoop and bullpoop is what you get - not cheating.
- Canada Cup

I will disagree on this. It is cheating, unless cap enforcement is universal, which it is not. Luongo's cap hit is still being paid by the Nucks. The league approved the deal and deemed later (judged) that it is cap circumvention. Has zero to do with rules or structure, only enforcement. Can't stand the cap, but rules are applied about as reasonably as supensions by the ex-goon that now decides (judges)

Agree, bad enough they totally got away with cheating the cap, flaunting it after the fact is low dollar. It would be like Carl Lewis wearing a T-Shirt that says Ben Johnson cheated, meanwhile he talks 3 octaves higher than most males that have gone through puberty.
- winsix

Lol

I agree teams can do whatever they can get away with under the rules, and the Leafs have used their financial heft to play cap games. I don't fault Tampa, I fault the NHL. I don't like the t-shirts they wore though, it's not a champion look.

I will disagree on this. It is cheating, unless cap enforcement is universal, which it is not. Luongo's cap hit is still being paid by the Nucks. The league approved the deal and deemed later (judged) that it is cap circumvention. Has zero to do with rules or structure, only enforcement. Can't stand the cap, but rules are applied about as reasonably as supensions by the ex-goon that now decides (judges)
- winsix

I’m sorry that doesn’t make sense. You can only enforce rules that are broken. No rules were broken by Tampa. Cap enforcement should be universal but that doesn’t mean that the rules governing LTIR and return to play are the same rules that the Canucks broke with Luongo. You really should look at the CBA.

Don't agree it is whining to shed light on cheating. Cap cheating is punished on a selective basis.
- winsix

They didn’t cheat. If anything, the NHL should have a luxury tax and one franchise player per team that doesn’t count against the cap.

- Scabeh

It is an absolute lock that Jumbo will be a Leaf next season. It’s no secret that Dubas is still high on Ceci as well.

It is an absolute lock that Jumbo will be a Leaf next season. It’s no secret that Dubas is still high on Ceci as well.
- DrunkenCanuck

You're still high on something.

I agree teams can do whatever they can get away with under the rules, and the Leafs have used their financial heft to play cap games. I don't fault Tampa, I fault the NHL. I don't like the t-shirts they wore though, it's not a champion look.
- Zezel

The shirts were very tacky. I have a feeling it will never happen again. Gary is short but he carries a big stick.

The shirts were very tacky. I have a feeling it will never happen again. Gary is short but he carries a big stick.
- shack67

It happens every year. Daly already said they could change it by applying the cap in the playoffs but they would need to renegotiate the CBA. There’s nothing they can do now.

You're still high on something.
- Zezel

Well the acid and cocaine in the late 80’s and 90’s was no joke there feller.

Well the acid and cocaine in the late 80’s and 90’s was no joke there feller.
- DrunkenCanuck

Sorry lad, but the acid was late seventies to mid eighties.
Cocaine is still prevalent.