Anthony Travalgia: Jets fans have their say

"Could Buffalo consider moving Dahlin? Perfetti, Heinola and a 1st?"

Give dougie Hamilton a blank cheque. Sort out the rest after.

Maurice played with house money last year after losing so many D men in one offseason. He failed in epic fashion the year prior for a full half-season prior to losing in Round 1 to St Louis. But then this year he had time to retool and address needs (via management). Winning one game and then 3 coin flips (OT) doesn’t excuse a sweep by the Habs. I’ve wanted him gone since the calendar flipped to 2019... no argument is strong enough to save his job in my opinion. However I WILL say that he finally was willing to shuffle lines a bit towards the end. It was due to injuries... but as a coach that’s where he lost me. In their ridiculous skid, he refused to juggle lines and continued to roll the same look thinking it would magically click.

As for the the suggestion to trade perfetti, heinola, and a first for Dahlin... that’s ludacris! I feel the jets have a fairly strong stable of D prospects. Samberg, heinola, Stanley, and to a lesser extent Niku are all potential NHL caliber. To give up the strongest offensive defenseman, plus our top offensive prospect AND a first round pick all for a highly regarded prospect who hasn’t yet met the expectations of his draft position... insanity. Pure insanity. I could only assume it was proposed by a sabres fan, because no jets fan would sacrifice the future (2 top prospects and a 1st) for an D-man who has yet to prove he’s worth anywhere near this price.

I’m certainly not a sabres fan… look I see your point, it’s a lot to give up. Perfetti and Heinola May end up being incredible hockey players in the nhl, but for now they’ve combined for 9 or so nhl games.
The Jets are in a window and everyone seems to agree that our defence needs an overhaul.
Regardless of the hype, Dahlin is an nhl player who plays in a really bad situation. We will have to pay a price to get what we are looking for. Maybe it’s an overpayment I don’t know, but heinola Perfetti and a draft pick aren’t making a difference next season (it’s possible heinola might play 5/6 minutes). Time to pony up and shore up the d. Dahlin would be a stud in Winnipeg.
That’s just my two cents though. There’s no magical solution here where we get a Seth Jones or Dougie Hamilton to sign as a free agent this year or next.
Without an upgrade we will go through the same struggles next season.

Someone is gonna overpay thinking Savard can play 2nd pair minutes. Big mistake. He’s in decline. Savard looked pretty good playing 3rd pair for TB. That’s all he should be doing.

What I'd like to see and I don't think is too big a reach for this team of ours . . .

1. Trade for Rutta on the cheap . . . Tampa needs to extract.

2. Sign Hakanpaa to provide further help to Stanley in the size, reach, and physicality department.

3. Sounds like he might get a fair bit of attention this off-season, but see if Bunting can be signed out of Arizona . . . especially if Appleton is lost in expansion.

Dahlin had the 2nd most points for a defenseman before turning 20 in THE HISTORY OF THE NHL. On a team that couldn't get out of it's own way! There is literally no chance the Sabres would move him for that package. Dahlin has yet to scratch the surface of his potential....

The Jets play too much of the game in their own end and until this is addressed by implementing a proper defensive system they will have trouble developing their d-men properly. I'm sure Maurice will talk about playing in the 3rd pairing is a lot different than playing top minutes on the Moose just to say the young draft and develop d-men aren't ready to play on the Jets. More double talk to justify playing some old slow bargain bin, waiver wire pickups in the bottom pairings over not so young draft and develop kids who learn the NHL game sitting in the press box.

Dahlin had the 2nd most points for a defenseman before turning 20 in THE HISTORY OF THE NHL. On a team that couldn't get out of it's own way! There is literally no chance the Sabres would move him for that package. Dahlin has yet to scratch the surface of his potential....
- chugger38

Good, I’d hate for the Jets to make this trade.
And for the record if I told you some stat about Laine and most goals scored before 20 how much would it mean to you? Probably not that much cause he doesn’t play on your team.

I’m certainly not a sabres fan… look I see your point, it’s a lot to give up. Perfetti and Heinola May end up being incredible hockey players in the nhl, but for now they’ve combined for 9 or so nhl games.
The Jets are in a window and everyone seems to agree that our defence needs an overhaul.
Regardless of the hype, Dahlin is an nhl player who plays in a really bad situation. We will have to pay a price to get what we are looking for. Maybe it’s an overpayment I don’t know, but heinola Perfetti and a draft pick aren’t making a difference next season (it’s possible heinola might play 5/6 minutes). Time to pony up and shore up the d. Dahlin would be a stud in Winnipeg.
That’s just my two cents though. There’s no magical solution here where we get a Seth Jones or Dougie Hamilton to sign as a free agent this year or next.
Without an upgrade we will go through the same struggles next season.
- JetsAvs

That trade would be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. You’re trading your future 1C and a golden prospect in Heinola for a player that A: isn’t close to enough to turn this around and B: isn’t as good as the player going the other way.

We aren’t 1 player away. We are not even a playoff team right now, and it will be even worse if DeMelo goes.
You’re literally trading for a second Morrissey. Playing in our stupid, archaic systems won’t do anything for a player like Dahlin.

That trade would be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. You’re trading your future 1C and a golden prospect in Heinola for a player that A: isn’t close to enough to turn this around and B: isn’t as good as the player going the other way.

We aren’t 1 player away. We are not even a playoff team right now, and it will be even worse if DeMelo goes.
You’re literally trading for a second Morrissey. Playing in our stupid, archaic systems won’t do anything for a player like Dahlin.
- Rexypoo

Way too negative Rexypoo. I just saw an Islander team take the stanley cup champs to a game 7 in the conference finals. The same Islander team that lost Boychuk and Toews from their top 6 defense, and was starting Komarov and Eberle on their top line. The Jets don't have a player problem.

Analytics and stats are great….. but chemistry , heart, systems and culture will always win.

Jets system is amongst league worst and Huddy must have a lifetime deal we don’t know about

Heart , chemistry and culture is always more speculation than fact but we do seem to be missing a bit of heart

I still believe we have a window here and hoping the right pieces come in or are here and evolve

So, we learned today:

Vesalainen + Stanley + 2nd = Ryan Ellis

Nikkanen +7th = McCann

The Jets upset me

Way too negative Rexypoo. I just saw an Islander team take the stanley cup champs to a game 7 in the conference finals. The same Islander team that lost Boychuk and Toews from their top 6 defense, and was starting Komarov and Eberle on their top line. The Jets don't have a player problem.
- BWJumper

A: Komarov got buried, and Boychuk was a complete liability.

B: Eberle is a top 6 forward being played in the top 6. Your point?

C: nobody expected Mayfield and Pelech to turn on god mode

Jets manages to pull of nothing just at the wire.

A: Komarov got buried, and Boychuk was a complete liability.

B: Eberle is a top 6 forward being played in the top 6. Your point?

C: nobody expected Mayfield and Pelech to turn on god mode
- Rexypoo

You are the one telling us the Jets aren't 1 player away. Stack the Islanders roster against the Jets the past 2 years and explain on a player level why the Jets are barely a playoff team and the Islanders are a conference finalist.

On a player level? That’s not how team sports work.

Barry Trotz vs Paul Maurice

A complete buy in vs. Maurice system

Rolling 4 lines vs Jets commitment to 3.25 lines

NYI a tough physical team vs. We have some tall guys

NYI D average over 6’3 220 lbs vs. Jets D

So yes Ehlers better than Eberle, yes Scheifele better than Bailey…..

But NYI’s play at a different level when it matters

On a player level? That’s not how team sports work.

Barry Trotz vs Paul Maurice

A complete buy in vs. Maurice system

Rolling 4 lines vs Jets commitment to 3.25 lines

NYI a tough physical team vs. We have some tall guys

NYI D average over 6’3 220 lbs vs. Jets D

So yes Ehlers better than Eberle, yes Scheifele better than Bailey…..

But NYI’s play at a different level when it matters
- jjonah

This guy again with his big D theory. Give it a rest all ready

Which part is theory?

You are the one telling us the Jets aren't 1 player away. Stack the Islanders roster against the Jets the past 2 years and explain on a player level why the Jets are barely a playoff team and the Islanders are a conference finalist.
- BWJumper

1: coaching
2: coaching
3: their defence is balanced and suddenly/inexplicably overpowered
4: they have very good depth up front, even if they pay way too much for it
5: they have a solid transition game, and are also very good at defending the line and pressuring in their own end. Thanks Trotz.
6: coaching

Jets manages to pull of nothing just at the wire.
- jjonah

A bizarre amount of Manitobans on the move today, though

This guy again with his big D theory. Give it a rest all ready

- BWJumper

We could do $500 next years Stanley Cup winner averages 6’2.75” and 220 lbs?

Analytics and stats are great….. but chemistry , heart, systems and culture will always win.

Jets system is amongst league worst and Huddy must have a lifetime deal we don’t know about

Heart , chemistry and culture is always more speculation than fact but we do seem to be missing a bit of heart

I still believe we have a window here and hoping the right pieces come in or are here and evolve
- jjonah

Heart, chemistry, and “culture” are all why we would call “inputs”. Along with effort, “jam”, and “piss and vinegar”.
These factors, should they exist to the degree you suggest, would result in noticeable changes in player (and team) performance. Those results are what we call “outputs”.

Luckily, we have ways to measure these outputs. We call them stats, numbers, analytics, etc.
Don’t try to reinvent the wheel while the rest of us are exploring Mars.

Did you ever think Rexy is the least fun guy at the party?