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Looks like Giardano is heading to NYR for Ryan Strome - jjonah
That's a good trade for Calgary, why would NY want to split up the chemistry between Panarin and Strome plus the Rangers are kind of thin at center, seems like a better trade for Calgary. |
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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They’re saying Giardano and Blackwell to NYR for Strome
Word is Rangers are desperate for LHD and they see this as a fit
Hasn’t been announced by NY best writer saying done
We will see 👀 |
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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And are we fine with the price to acquire the legit top 4 dman? And until Winnipeg lands a big UFA that everyone wants, I can't be bothered to entertain the possibility. We're talking trade here. - Quillanrocks
I just referenced Pietrangelo and Hamilton not cause they were/are the big fish of free agency but cause they were top dmen and I don't expect a dman of that level but do think if they add through trade or free agency it needs to be a legit top 4 dman.
Idk what the cost of a legit top 4 dman would be, to be honest I can't really think of too many that'd even be available.
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They’re saying Giardano and Blackwell to NYR for Strome
Word is Rangers are desperate for LHD and they see this as a fit
Hasn’t been announced by NY best writer saying done
We will see 👀 - jjonah
Well they brought Giordano out at the unveiling of the roster, seems crazy that they'd trade him after doing that but yeah I guess we'll see. |
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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Would be odd for sure, make me skeptical but again who knows |
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Guess the Kraken not taking DeMelo likely puts an end to the Ristolainen trade then??! |
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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Morrissey DeMelo
Heinola Pionk
Stanley Beaulieu
Now line up for a $10 beer |
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Guess the Kraken not taking DeMelo likely puts an end to the Ristolainen trade then??! - JetFuel
No I don't think that ends it at all. We still need at least one d-man (RH) and Risto might be the man.
But perhaps we'll soon find out (Friday or Saturday?)?
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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Trade freeze ends tomorrow noon central.
Pierre LeBrun expects some to be announced |
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Oleksiak and (esp) Larsson signings I think "saved" us from losing Demelo this day. Appleton selection hurts but it's a position of strength where any number of internal candidates should be ready to seize an opportunity. |
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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Oleksiak and (esp) Larsson signings I think "saved" us from losing Demelo this day. Appleton selection hurts but it's a position of strength where any number of internal candidates should be ready to seize an opportunity. - Quillanrocks
There was a time before this last season where a lot of posters thought we would lose Niku or Poolman and neither Stanley or DeMelo were even part of the conversation. It's amazing how their value dropped in the Kraken expansion conversation over the course of the year.
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No I don't think that ends it at all. We still need at least one d-man (RH) and Risto might be the man.
But perhaps we'll soon find out (Friday or Saturday?)? - grahamzky
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There was a time before this last season where a lot of posters thought we would lose Niku or Poolman and neither Stanley or DeMelo were even part of the conversation. It's amazing how their value dropped in the Kraken expansion conversation over the course of the year. - jetsnation
I always thought that talk of the expansion draft was overblown. |
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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And not one expert, insider, analyst fainted over the Kraken NOT taking DeMelo…….almost like it wasn’t a thing outside of the perimeter highway.
No “how could you not take this stud first pairing Dman….even as trade bait”
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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Dreger reporting Taylor Hall staying in Boston 4 year $6 per
Hoping tomorrow through weekend a little more exciting. |
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They’re saying Giardano and Blackwell to NYR for Strome
Word is Rangers are desperate for LHD and they see this as a fit
Hasn’t been announced by NY best writer saying done
We will see 👀 - jjonah
Blackwell can't be traded back to the Rangers based on Expansion Draft rules.
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No I don't think that ends it at all. We still need at least one d-man (RH) and Risto might be the man.
But perhaps we'll soon find out (Friday or Saturday?)? - grahamzky
Don't think they're going to re-sign Poolman?
He'd be cheaper and won't cost any assets which is the way Chevy likes it.
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And not one expert, insider, analyst fainted over the Kraken NOT taking DeMelo…….almost like it wasn’t a thing outside of the perimeter highway.
No “how could you not take this stud first pairing Dman….even as trade bait” - jjonah
I thought I heard the Kraken were heavily invested in analytics, if so why wouldn't they of taken the analytics darling DeMelo?? |
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I just referenced Pietrangelo and Hamilton not cause they were/are the big fish of free agency but cause they were top dmen and I don't expect a dman of that level but do think if they add through trade or free agency it needs to be a legit top 4 dman.
Idk what the cost of a legit top 4 dman would be, to be honest I can't really think of too many that'd even be available. - JetFuel
So why not add a player "comparable" to what we have then? (in reference to your initial response.) Seattle is a team with too much of a good thing, and that thing is something we need. Better than adding some team's 7th or 8th defender, who comes in cheap and gives us what we pay for, don't you think?
Furthermore, I would rather roll the dice on Lauzon (who I'm sure has learned some good defensive habits in Boston's system) over a trade to acquire one season of Ristolainen, where we'll probably curse at him endlessly just the same as Buffalo did!
All that being said, if we can somehow add a significant top 4, like you mention, preferably with term . . . that'd be great. But the window to extract from Seattle will close---and maybe in a hurry---so I hope it's not missed and all we end up doing is signing one or two of the "Bitetto's" of the league. Tired of being "Last dog at the bone"! |
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Don't think they're going to re-sign Poolman?
He'd be cheaper and won't cost any assets which is the way Chevy likes it. - JetFuel
It's been said by many, including us, that we need an upgrade on the b-line, especially the right side. IMO we got to make a move for someone. If we don't, we basically go into the season with same d as last year. That doesn't fly.
Don't know who the "Mr X" is that will be brought in, but I think you will see a move, costing us perhaps Copp, a d-man (a prospect?) and a draft choice - all depending on quality and term of secured player(s).
Maybe a winger and d-man coming in same deal? (Buffalo one option?) Poolman still may re-signed as 7th d-man? Kind of hope he is.
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jetsnation
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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And not one expert, insider, analyst fainted over the Kraken NOT taking DeMelo…….almost like it wasn’t a thing outside of the perimeter highway.
No “how could you not take this stud first pairing Dman….even as trade bait” - jjonah
I don't regard DeMelo , who plays under 17 minutes a game) as a stud first pairing Dman. He is in my eyes a second pairing Dman all the way. I know some on this board disagree but there is a large gap between a guy like DeMelo and true first pairing Dmen around the league. Also with his average ice time stats is DeMelo really worth more than say $4.0 MM vs paying a top first pairing Dman $8 MM that can play 26-28 minutes a game.
True top pairing Dmen are valuable because their talent can be on the ice displaying their elite services and eating up the ice team of their lesser peers. The best example of that in the playoffs was Daniel Nurse. This IMHO is why DeMelo was left available to the Kraken and was not taken. |
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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Yes. The Risto rumor is out there although I'm not sure on the timing . There are definitely positives and negatives on him . On the plus side he is a physical specimen, the Finnish version of someone like Jack Roslovic when it comes to workout regimen under Ville Rintola. This kid is in seriously good shape. He can get you about a 1/2 point or more a game. It does come with some bad D though. On a better team and with a better partner those numbers might be a lot better than one would see in the stats. A decent gamble that could work out magically.
Would Risto be an accretive acquisition? It really depends on the price. There is no way I give up Heinola. That would be a mistake. However......Samberg , Niku, and a second or something similar.....done. - jetsnation
It seems like Murray Ates agrees with me on this move and even proposed the same compensation to Buffalo ( Samberg plus a second) in an article that was very similar to the ideas I posted. It also furthers my belief that a physical guy who can play 26-28 minutes a game is what we need and would be good value for the money. I'm in the "take a chance on Risto" camp. Its only a short term experiment anyways.
https://theathletic.com/2...uld-ristolainen-be-a-fit/ |
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I don't regard DeMelo , who plays under 17 minutes a game) as a stud first pairing Dman. He is in my eyes a second pairing Dman all the way. I know some on this board disagree but there is a large gap between a guy like DeMelo and true first pairing Dmen around the league. Also with his average ice time stats is DeMelo really worth more than say $4.0 MM vs paying a top first pairing Dman $8 MM that can play 26-28 minutes a game.
True top pairing Dmen are valuable because their talent can be on the ice displaying their elite services and eating up the ice team of their lesser peers. The best example of that in the playoffs was Daniel Nurse. This IMHO is why DeMelo was left available to the Kraken and was not taken. - jetsnation
I think he was conveying a certain air of sarcasm regarding that very notion pertaining Demelo. That his value is only high in Winnipeg.
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It's been said by many, including us, that we need an upgrade on the b-line, especially the right side. IMO we got to make a move for someone. If we don't, we basically go into the season with same d as last year. That doesn't fly.
Don't know who the "Mr X" is that will be brought in, but I think you will see a move, costing us perhaps Copp, a d-man (a prospect?) and a draft choice - all depending on quality and term of secured player(s).
Maybe a winger and d-man coming in same deal? (Buffalo one option?) Poolman still may re-signed as 7th d-man? Kind of hope he is. - grahamzky
I hope he’s not as Maurice will play him on the top pair. |
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