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Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 21 @ 2:21 PM ET
Most people were thinking worst case scenario Seattle takes Braun only freeing up minimal cap space. They don't even do that they take an RFA. Can't make it up.
- PLindbergh31


Just sign coots to that long term big $ deal and all will be fine
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 21 @ 2:21 PM ET
People shat all over Vegas too when they announced their picks.
- atibus


Bingo.

Before the draft nobody gave a (frank) about Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith, Haula, etc. Some guys just need an opportunity. Seattle took a lot of guys who are capable of being something.

And the absolute worst thing they could have done was try to assemble the 2010 NHL All-Star team w/ their picks.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:23 PM ET
Bingo.

Before the draft nobody gave a (frank) about Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith, Haula, etc. Some guys just need an opportunity. Seattle took a lot of guys who are capable of being something.

And the absolute worst thing they could have done was try to assemble the 2010 NHL All-Star team w/ their picks.

- Tomahawk

Vegas at least took some proven guys tho like MAF and Neal.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 2:23 PM ET
No one else is going to eat Jakes contract. Seattle was the best chance of that happening.
- hereticpride


maybe read what I wrote again, there is a way to move him. He has value as a top 6 winger. JVR can be moved also.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:25 PM ET
maybe read what I wrote again, there is a way to move him. He has value as a top 6 winger. JVR can be moved also.
- wcorvette

I read it correctly. With a flat cap you aren’t finding a way to move their entire contract to facilitate a trade for Tarasenko. No team is taking that on right now.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 21 @ 2:25 PM ET
Vegas at least took some proven guys tho like MAF and Neal.
- hereticpride


MAF was a meme at the time (OK he still is, lol).

James Neal was already in steep decline.
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
Bingo.

Before the draft nobody gave a (frank) about Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith, Haula, etc. Some guys just need an opportunity. Seattle took a lot of guys who are capable of being something.

And the absolute worst thing they could have done was try to assemble the 2010 NHL All-Star team w/ their picks.

- Tomahawk


Don't forget how stupid Vegas was for NOT taking Vatanen or Manson and instead trading for Shea Theodore + taking Clayton Stoner. So stupid of them.

Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
I read it correctly. With a flat cap you aren’t finding a way to move their entire contract to facilitate a trade for Tarasenko. No team is taking that on right now.
- hereticpride

Off to plan b and the only plan that was /is realistic. Retain salary to move Jake Jvr.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
Tells you what expansion teams think of Flyers unprotected high ticket players.
- PLindbergh31


Doesnt tell us anything. They have specifically avoided all teams big contract players. Francis is just pulling out his balls and laying them on the table for the other GMs to see
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:28 PM ET
No one else is going to eat Jakes contract. Seattle was the best chance of that happening.
- hereticpride


Detroit is going to be a player as well. Maybe not for Jake but they will take on a few salaries for assets.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jul 21 @ 2:29 PM ET
I think there’s still a chance that when Francis said cap room was their biggest asset, he meant it. Just because no big contracts were lost now doesn’t mean the plan wasn’t to draft a very inexpensive team and have the cap room to take on other deals. The actual team could look very different. I imagine a scenario like Charlie Day at the board trying to connect players with teams and being the 3rd team in a ton of 3-team trades.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 21 @ 2:29 PM ET
Off to plan b and the only plan that was /is realistic. Retain salary to move Jake Jvr.
- Stayin alive



Hey flyers need plan b. Abort the core


Get it. Get it
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:29 PM ET
Vegas at least took some proven guys tho like MAF and Neal.
- hereticpride


MAF was benched in the playoffs and lost his job to a rookie. His contract was an albatross to all of the pundits. Pittsburgh paid Vegas a 2nd round pick to take him.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jul 21 @ 2:30 PM ET
Detroit is going to be a player as well. Maybe not for Jake but they will take on a few salaries for assets.
- mickel25


I’ve never thought of this before but I think Jake could actually fit in well with Detroit.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 21 @ 2:30 PM ET
Tells you what expansion teams think of Flyers unprotected high ticket players.
- PLindbergh31

That’s a total exaggeration. How many really good, high profile, large contract guys were not selected today? Francis has a vision. I personally don’t like it, but I was wrong about Vegas so I’ll hold off on evaluating their selections.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 21 @ 2:33 PM ET
Most people were thinking worst case scenario Seattle takes Braun only freeing up minimal cap space. They don't even do that they take an RFA. Can't make it up.
- PLindbergh31

Let’s see what happens tonight ok?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:34 PM ET
MAF was benched in the playoffs and lost his job to a rookie. His contract was an albatross to all of the pundits. Pittsburgh paid Vegas a 2nd round pick to take him.
- atibus

But he was at least a proven player at the time with hardware. Neal too.

This roster as is I’m supposed to buy in on Jordan Eberle and a bunch of maybes?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 21 @ 2:34 PM ET
Don't forget how stupid Vegas was for NOT taking Vatanen or Manson and instead trading for Shea Theodore + taking Clayton Stoner. So stupid of them.
- atibus


Yeah, way too early to pass judgement.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Jul 21 @ 2:36 PM ET
Most people were thinking worst case scenario Seattle takes Braun only freeing up minimal cap space. They don't even do that they take an RFA. Can't make it up.
- PLindbergh31

I always thought it was NAK...I see now why CF protected him... That was their dilemma and they picked NAK over Twanr...
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 21 @ 2:37 PM ET
But he was at least a proven player at the time with hardware. Neal too.

This roster as is I’m supposed to buy in on Jordan Eberle and a bunch of maybes?

- hereticpride


Gio is a Norris winner. Gourde's got multiple Cups.

Guessing Lou paid them to take Eberle.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Jul 21 @ 2:37 PM ET
But he was at least a proven player at the time with hardware. Neal too.

This roster as is I’m supposed to buy in on Jordan Eberle and a bunch of maybes?

- hereticpride


it has tons of RFA/UFA's for next year too. he seems to be weaponizing available cap space for the future signing of FA's so maybe they are taking a tank team, trying to win the right to draft Shane Wright and then sign a ton of FA's next year.

Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 21 @ 2:37 PM ET
Let’s see what happens tonight ok?
- Flyers1218


can anything happen tonight? isn't the freeze in effect until tomorrow?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:38 PM ET
Gio is a Norris winner. Gourde's got multiple Cups.

Guessing Lou paid them to take Eberle.

- Tomahawk

Gio is going to the Rags by all reports. Also he’s 37.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 2:39 PM ET
can anything happen tonight? isn't the freeze in effect until tomorrow?
- Ftown19125

Trades the ED aren’t being around till tonight. So you might see something like Carolina send Seattle a 2nd which would explain why they didn’t take Bean etc.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 21 @ 2:40 PM ET
Tells you what expansion teams think of the salary cap.
- PLindbergh31



Fixed that dumbass comment for you.
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