Why do we care about the Penguins?

I don't care who they lose.. The Leafs had McCann, didn't protect(which was a bad move, they should have protected him) and then lost him to Seattle.
- PatC80

There was a little blurb running through the internet a couple of days ago, about how the first ever GM meeting Dubas attended (he wasn't GM yet) was so terrifying, he only spoke to Francis, "who he has known his entire life."

I'm wondering if maybe the whole McCann to Seattle through Toronto thing was pre-arranged.

He was great Mikheyev and Hyman.
- Monkeypunk

Not sure why they pulled that line apart after a good series vs the Oil.

For the record, I'm an advocate for putting willie on the 3rd line.

Because if you're going to be committed to the big salaries, the Habs just proved to us that you have to find a way to spread your offence out and make it less containable.

Signed winger / Matthews / Beer can
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Bunting / Engvall / Willie
Galchenyuk / Spezza / Simmonds

Muzzin / Hamilton
Sandin / Brodie
Dermott / Bogosian

Campbell
1B

At that point I don't hate Engvall at 3C as much, and I really don't see that massive of a difference between him and Kerfoot (minus the playoffs - and enough to warrant an extra 2.3 million).

And also for the record, this is far from my first preference. Its just clear they aren't trading Marner, and at that point this is the kind of hand you have to play.

Im no capologist but i believe at that point there's money there to shore up your weak areas.
- joel878

So out of all the options I've read here, this is an example of a more balanced team:

Trade Rielly and Marner and Engvall = $17.5m + the current $9.4m = $26.9M of Cap.

Rielly to Kraken or ??? for picks/prospects/ELCs

Marner to Carolina for Nino Niederiter (1yr to UFA) and 1st/2nd/prospect? and early rights to Dougie

Sign Ullmark, Landeskog, Bunting and Hamilton


Landeskog ($8.5), Matthews, Nylander
Robertson, Tavares, Nino ($5.2)
Bunting ($1.5), Kerfoot, Micheyev
Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds
(maybe Galychenyuk)

Muzzin, Hamilton ($8)
Sandin, Brodie
Dermott, Holl


Campbell
Ullmark ($2.5)


$25.7M Cap in.

A lot more picks and prospects than they have which is going very unnoticed by some of you guys--no prospects or picks in the system to really of.

A much more balanced and heavier line up for playoff hockey.

GMing is easy.

. . . but you could be wrong.
- Monkeypunk

Maybe it was 2 weeks ago, but I don’t think so.

So out of all the options I've read here, this is an example of a more balanced team:

Trade Rielly and Marner and Engvall = $17.5m + the current $9.4m = $26.9M of Cap.

Rielly to Kraken or ??? for picks/prospects/ELCs

Marner to Carolina for Nino Niederiter (1yr to UFA) and 1st/2nd/prospect? and early rights to Dougie

Sign Ullmark, Landeskog, Bunting and Hamilton


Landeskog ($8.5), Matthews, Nylander
Robertson, Tavares, Nino ($5.2)
Bunting ($1.5), Kerfoot, Micheyev
Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds
(maybe Galychenyuk)

Muzzin, Hamilton ($8)
Sandin, Brodie
Dermott, Holl


Campbell
Ullmark ($2.5)


$25.7M Cap in.

A lot more picks and prospects than they have which is going very unnoticed by some of you guys--no prospects or picks in the system to really of.

A much more balanced and heavier line up for playoff hockey.

GMing is easy.
- underhill14

So out of all the options I've read here, this is an example of a more balanced team:

Trade Rielly and Marner and Engvall = $17.5m + the current $9.4m = $26.9M of Cap.

Rielly to Kraken or ??? for picks/prospects/ELCs

Marner to Carolina for Nino Niederiter (1yr to UFA) and 1st/2nd/prospect? and early rights to Dougie

Sign Ullmark, Landeskog, Bunting and Hamilton


Landeskog ($8.5), Matthews, Nylander
Robertson, Tavares, Nino ($5.2)
Bunting ($1.5), Kerfoot, Micheyev
Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds
(maybe Galychenyuk)

Muzzin, Hamilton ($8)
Sandin, Brodie
Dermott, Holl


Campbell
Ullmark ($2.5)


$25.7M Cap in.

A lot more picks and prospects than they have which is going very unnoticed by some of you guys--no prospects or picks in the system to really of.

A much more balanced and heavier line up for playoff hockey.

GMing is easy.
- underhill14

Trade Nylander and shave some extra $ somewhere to keep Marner.

Have you seen this list of projected picks based on leaks throughout the day?

Anaheim: Haydn Fleury
Arizona: Tyler Pitlick
Boston: Lauzon
Buffalo: Borgen
Calgary: Giordano
Carolina: Geekie
Chicago: Quenneville
Colorado: Donskoi
Columbus: Bayreuther
Dallas: Oleksiak
Detroit: unknown
Edmonton: Larsson
Florida: Driedger
LA: MacDermid
Minnesota: Soucy
Montreal: Cale Fleury
Nashville: Jarnkrok
NJD: Bastian
NYI: Eberle
NYR: Blackwell
Ottawa: Daccord
Philly: Twarynski
Pittsburgh: Tanev
San Jose: True
St. Louis: Dunn
Tampa Bay: Gourde
Toronto: McCann
Vancouver: Lind
Washington: Vanecek
Winnipeg: Appleton


I have to admit I am thoroughly underwhelmed.

Trade Nylander and shave some extra $ somewhere to keep Marner.



- Garnie

No.


Note to Dubas: Don't trade the guy that actually lives up to the value of his contract.

Have you seen this list of projected picks based on leaks throughout the day?

Anaheim: Haydn Fleury
Arizona: Tyler Pitlick
Boston: Lauzon
Buffalo: Borgen
Calgary: Giordano
Carolina: Geekie
Chicago: Quenneville
Colorado: Donskoi
Columbus: Bayreuther
Dallas: Oleksiak
Detroit: unknown
Edmonton: Larsson
Florida: Driedger
LA: MacDermid
Minnesota: Soucy
Montreal: Cale Fleury
Nashville: Jarnkok
NJD: Bastian
NYI: Eberle
NYR: Blackwell
Ottawa: Daccord
Philly: Twarynski
Pittsburgh: Tanev
San Jose: True
St. Louis: Dunn
Tampa Bay: Gourde
Toronto: McCann
Vancouver: Lind
Washington: Vanecek
Winnipeg: Appleton


I have to admit I am thoroughly underwhelmed.
- Monkeypunk

Wait until you see all the side deals Francis swung. I bet you'll have a different opinion by tonight.

Tanev was overpaid for a 4th line winger... Again, who cares about Pittsburgh.. They have their own HB thread
- PatC80

C'mon Pat, you're better than that. Answer this. So the Pens lose McCann and Tanev. We lose Hallander and a 7th. Who loses more?

We've got to give up something here to the Kraken. I'm not the biggest Kerfoot fan in the world for sure, but he was better this year than last. Still very tradeable as is Holl. In fact, try trading him and see what you'll get for 2 mil. a year.

Not getting past the Habs in the first round still pisses all of us to some degree. But it's time to go forward. Tampa has healed that wound for me..

Let's see what Dubas has in the plans before next season.

Deleted my own post, didn't want to fire up the crowd again.

Wait until you see all the side deals Francis swung. I bet you'll have a different opinion by tonight.
- buddzy

I hope so - for their sake. Not a lot to be even whelmed about.

Have you seen this list of projected picks based on leaks throughout the day?

Anaheim: Haydn Fleury
Arizona: Tyler Pitlick
Boston: Lauzon
Buffalo: Borgen
Calgary: Giordano
Carolina: Geekie
Chicago: Quenneville
Colorado: Donskoi
Columbus: Bayreuther
Dallas: Oleksiak
Detroit: unknown
Edmonton: Larsson
Florida: Driedger
LA: MacDermid
Minnesota: Soucy
Montreal: Cale Fleury
Nashville: Jarnkrok
NJD: Bastian
NYI: Eberle
NYR: Blackwell
Ottawa: Daccord
Philly: Twarynski
Pittsburgh: Tanev
San Jose: True
St. Louis: Dunn
Tampa Bay: Gourde
Toronto: McCann
Vancouver: Lind
Washington: Vanecek
Winnipeg: Appleton


I have to admit I am thoroughly underwhelmed.
- Monkeypunk

Maybe some of those picks go back if they sign some FA’s in the next couple days?

I hope so - for their sake. Not a lot to be even whelmed about.
- Monkeypunk

There seem to be too many suspect picks for there not to be some side deals.

I know I mentioned earlier that Dubas was slick with his expansion move, a pick and a prospect instead of a roster player....but....what IS truer....

Pitts GM was even slicker, he got a prospect and a pick for the player they were losing.

Leafs just lost the prospect and the pick for them.

Edit: but we got to keep Holl, Dermott and Kerfoot





- underhill14

Keep in mind, Seattle took Brandon Tanev. Pittsburgh probably gave up some assets for this.

There was a little blurb running through the internet a couple of days ago, about how the first ever GM meeting Dubas attended (he wasn't GM yet) was so terrifying, he only spoke to Francis, "who he has known his entire life."

I'm wondering if maybe the whole McCann to Seattle through Toronto thing was pre-arranged.
- Atomic Wedgie

Why? Why would dubas toss 2 assets to help out francis?
If he did, he should be fired immediately

One trade I would love to see happen would be something built around:

Marner
Kerfoot

For

Garland
Dvorak
Kuemper

I don't know what Marner's structure is like for his contract but I assume its mostly paid bonuses so he and Kerfoot would help Arizona for cap with low actual money while also being fair value.

For Toronto it's an upgrade at 3C, gives you a good young winger who would probably be better suited with Matthews for playoffs, and fills your 1A/1B goaltending for the same total cap hit as Marner and Kerfoot (assuming Garland gets around 5-6 mil)

Then you can use Andersen's total 5 mil cap and apply it to the rest of the roster to improve where needed.

You can add picks/prospects to balance as needed but I would love a trade centered around this.

Why? Why would dubas toss 2 assets to help out francis?
If he did, he should be fired immediately
- Fakepartofme

We won't know until all the dust has settled. Maybe Francis is doing us a favour. We'll find out tonight.

Maybe acquiring McCann was simply to protect their current roster, for future moves.

Patience boys

So out of all the options I've read here, this is an example of a more balanced team:

Trade Rielly and Marner and Engvall = $17.5m + the current $9.4m = $26.9M of Cap.

Rielly to Kraken or ??? for picks/prospects/ELCs

Marner to Carolina for Nino Niederiter (1yr to UFA) and 1st/2nd/prospect? and early rights to Dougie

Sign Ullmark, Landeskog, Bunting and Hamilton


Landeskog ($8.5), Matthews, Nylander
Robertson, Tavares, Nino ($5.2)
Bunting ($1.5), Kerfoot, Micheyev
Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds
(maybe Galychenyuk)

Muzzin, Hamilton ($8)
Sandin, Brodie
Dermott, Holl


Campbell
Ullmark ($2.5)


$25.7M Cap in.

A lot more picks and prospects than they have which is going very unnoticed by some of you guys--no prospects or picks in the system to really of.

A much more balanced and heavier line up for playoff hockey.

GMing is easy.
- underhill14

Keep marner, move out willie.
At least marner can pk and is decent defensively.

One trade I would love to see happen would be something built around:

Marner
Kerfoot

For

Garland
Dvorak
Kuemper

I don't know what Marner's structure is like for his contract but I assume its mostly paid bonuses so he and Kerfoot would help Arizona for cap with low actual money while also being fair value.

For Toronto it's an upgrade at 3C, gives you a good young winger who would probably be better suited with Matthews for playoffs, and fills your 1A/1B goaltending for the same total cap hit as Marner and Kerfoot (assuming Garland gets around 5-6 mil)

Then you can use Andersen's total 5 mil cap and apply it to the rest of the roster to improve where needed.

You can add picks/prospects to balance as needed but I would love a trade centered around this.
- torfc23

Pass, Coyotes own us in this trade.

Have you seen this list of projected picks based on leaks throughout the day?

Anaheim: Haydn Fleury
Arizona: Tyler Pitlick
Boston: Lauzon
Buffalo: Borgen
Calgary: Giordano
Carolina: Geekie
Chicago: Quenneville
Colorado: Donskoi
Columbus: Bayreuther
Dallas: Oleksiak
Detroit: unknown
Edmonton: Larsson
Florida: Driedger
LA: MacDermid
Minnesota: Soucy
Montreal: Cale Fleury
Nashville: Jarnkrok
NJD: Bastian
NYI: Eberle
NYR: Blackwell
Ottawa: Daccord
Philly: Twarynski
Pittsburgh: Tanev
San Jose: True
St. Louis: Dunn
Tampa Bay: Gourde
Toronto: McCann
Vancouver: Lind
Washington: Vanecek
Winnipeg: Appleton


I have to admit I am thoroughly underwhelmed.
- Monkeypunk

I thought for sure they would take someone else from the Jets.. Someone named DeMelo

I thought for sure they would take someone else from the Jets.. Someone named DeMelo
- PatC80

I can't fathom why they didn't, unless there was a deal in place to entice them to pick Appleton.

I like Appleton. He's fast. He's tenacious. He has some finish.

He's also like 30% of other bottom-6 forwards out there. DeMelo is a top-4.

I can't fathom why they didn't, unless there was a deal in place to entice them to pick Appleton.

I like Appleton. He's fast. He's tenacious. He has some finish.

He's also like 30% of other bottom-6 forwards out there. DeMelo is a top-4.
- Monkeypunk

I guess, they'll have a solid defense with Giordano, Dunn and Oleksiak.. The goaltending and forward group is questionable.. Their best forward could be McCann

Edit: and Larsson

Mike Augello: Report: Kraken to select McCann in expansion draft
- mikeinbuffalo

from last thread:

trade greedy female dog at the deadline for some grown men👍

the clock is ticking on buston glassthews before we can win a cup with him before he goes back to glendale 🤦🏿‍♂️

either way i’m probably good for another 30 years of waiting👍

who cares anyways as long as queef, kylie and the bois are having fun in the dressing room👍🏿

it’s more about the ride than the destination amurite?👍

edit what a fcucking joke 🤦🏿‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍

I guess, they'll have a solid defense with Giordano, Dunn and Oleksiak.. The goaltending and forward group is questionable.. Their best forward could be McCann
- PatC80

They have Eberle and Gourde. But yeah, they don't look scary on paper.