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Unholy_Forward
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.07.2012

Aug 4 @ 6:48 PM ET
Why does everyone think Stutzle going to play Center 🤦‍♂️ he’s gonna stay on the wing just suits him better, he can take the odd FO’s

I personally don’t like Brannstrom he gets pushed off puck way to easy can’t have that on the back end..
Being small is one thing but if ya not strong on puck specially on Defence you’re useless back there …
Use Brannstrom Tierny Brown picks whatever it takes to get A solid Center

- sens4life1971




Yeah you seem like the type who only asserts responsibility when problems arise. I don’t agree with helicopter management.
Thankful that Dorion is running the show here.
Unholy_Forward
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.07.2012

Aug 4 @ 6:55 PM ET
Ideally Ottawa would like to play Stutzle on the wing for another season before seeing if he can play center long term.
- Kevin Francis




When did you become the official spokesperson for the Sens? Did you get hired by Pierre McGuire?
Didn’t hear about your hiring my apologies.

Obviously Stutzle is going to play wing this year. Literally nowhere did I suggest or outline that Stutzle will be either A) the number 1C, or B) a centre next year.

My position, as previously stated, is to buy low on Domi as a plug and let the kids continue to develop. Rushing a rebuild is completely moronic and I don’t for a second believe that Pierre is going to trade Brannstrom, Brown and whoever else you guys want to packages away due to your impatience. Get over it and start making blogs about relevant things that don’t divide readers.

The comment boards since you came here have gone full 2020 BLM riots. Used to be a respectable place but sadly you seem to have a God complex.
Whether it’s your inferiority or insecurities guiding this train I can guarantee that you commenting here is not giving a remedy.



Let’s hear about the prospects finally!!!!!!
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 4 @ 7:02 PM ET
Why does everyone think Stutzle going to play Center 🤦‍♂️ he’s gonna stay on the wing just suits him better, he can take the odd FO’s
- sens4life1971

It might have something to with the fact that the Senators went out of their way from Day 1 to suggest they felt that Stutzle would eventually play C for them. The question is whether or not that continues to be little more than a management line intended to deflect attention from the increasingly conspicuous lack of high-end C in their prospect pool, or whether they actually believe he can be a good fit down the middle. So far, I would 100% agree he looks far more like a natural LW, but I guess we'll see.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 4 @ 7:10 PM ET
When did you become the official spokesperson for the Sens? Did you get hired by Pierre McGuire?
Didn’t hear about your hiring my apologies.

Obviously Stutzle is going to play wing this year. Literally nowhere did I suggest or outline that Stutzle will be either A) the number 1C, or B) a centre next year.

My position, as previously stated, is to buy low on Domi as a plug and let the kids continue to develop. Rushing a rebuild is completely moronic and I don’t for a second believe that Pierre is going to trade Brannstrom, Brown and whoever else you guys want to packages away due to your impatience. Get over it and start making blogs about relevant things that don’t divide readers.

The comment boards since you came here have gone full 2020 BLM riots. Used to be a respectable place but sadly you seem to have a God complex.
Whether it’s your inferiority or insecurities guiding this train I can guarantee that you commenting here is not giving a remedy.



Let’s hear about the prospects finally!!!!!!

- Unholy_Forward


Some of you guys are just plain nuts in your wanting to be critical of speculative hockey discussion. If the commentary displeases you why waste your time and ours. It is more than appropriate to challenge ideas. But, your criticisms directed towards the personal motivation of a blogger is frivolous. Perhaps you would be less agitated if just merely moved on.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 4 @ 7:22 PM ET
It might have something to with the fact that the Senators went out of their way from Day 1 to suggest they felt that Stutzle would eventually play C for them. The question is whether or not that continues to be little more than a management line intended to deflect attention from the increasingly conspicuous lack of high-end C in their prospect pool, or whether they actually believe he can be a good fit down the middle. So far, I would 100% agree he looks far more like a natural LW, but I guess we'll see.
- khawk


Deciding to do nothing can, in fact, be a decision to do something.

There is still a lot of player movement to come before the season starts.

Maybe the Sens won't get their man until Christmas or later. Nothing is lost. I like the Sens staying quiet. They have a deep prospect pool. Loads of cap space. Wait for the game to come to you.

Patience will get them a very good player at a reasonable cost.


Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 4 @ 8:22 PM ET
When did you become the official spokesperson for the Sens? Did you get hired by Pierre McGuire?
Didn’t hear about your hiring my apologies.

Obviously Stutzle is going to play wing this year. Literally nowhere did I suggest or outline that Stutzle will be either A) the number 1C, or B) a centre next year.

My position, as previously stated, is to buy low on Domi as a plug and let the kids continue to develop. Rushing a rebuild is completely moronic and I don’t for a second believe that Pierre is going to trade Brannstrom, Brown and whoever else you guys want to packages away due to your impatience. Get over it and start making blogs about relevant things that don’t divide readers.

The comment boards since you came here have gone full 2020 BLM riots. Used to be a respectable place but sadly you seem to have a God complex.
Whether it’s your inferiority or insecurities guiding this train I can guarantee that you commenting here is not giving a remedy.



Let’s hear about the prospects finally!!!!!!

- Unholy_Forward


Was heading out the door earlier with my kids to their competitive sports, so couldn't reply to all of your comment. Apologies.

With regards to Stutzle, management has said on numerous they want to give a long look at center, we just don't know when.

In regards, to not trading for an Eichel, I absolutely agree. But it will be sometime before we can rely on the 3 you talk about when it comes to the center ice position. As we have said, Domi would be an ok player to fill the stop gap, but again as you mentioned with Domi comes baggage too.

I agree not to rush the rebuild. You nailed it with Toronto. When they signed Tavares, it completely changed their course of how they were approaching things and now that signing has them so tied up they lost Hyman.

Thanks for stopping by to chat.
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Aug 4 @ 9:39 PM ET
Yeah you seem like the type who only asserts responsibility when problems arise. I don’t agree with helicopter management.
Thankful that Dorion is running the show here.

- Unholy_Forward


Lol I didn’t mean to butt hurt you
I’m just saying he’s better suited for LW not Center

Like if I had to choose anyone come off the wing to play Center then I choose Paul not Stutzle

And as for Brannstrom trading him has nothing to do with rushing the rebuild I just think he’s just gonna lose his spot with Sanderson and JBD coming 🤷‍♂️
Unholy_Forward
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.07.2012

Aug 4 @ 11:21 PM ET
Lol I didn’t mean to butt hurt you
I’m just saying he’s better suited for LW not Center

Like if I had to choose anyone come off the wing to play Center then I choose Paul not Stutzle

And as for Brannstrom trading him has nothing to do with rushing the rebuild I just think he’s just gonna lose his spot with Sanderson and JBD coming 🤷‍♂️

- sens4life1971




What brings you to the conclusion that Stutzle is better off at left wing? He played centre up until his final year in Germany and if you look at the way he plays the game he’s definitely responsible enough to thrive in a centre position. Many centres have been brought in as wingers in the top nine. If you need me to draw up some names I can pull Couturier, Dach, Kadri, Kotkaniemi and Cozens off the top of my head.
I understand if you would prefer him as a winger but as it stands I believe he could make the switch to centre. Not this year - or even the next, but I could see in the future once he has enough NHL experience and familiarity.
Also Paul is awesome whether on the wing or centre. But I think you’re talking about immediate problems that really aren’t a problem. Making a move to say you made a move can be detrimental to a rebuild. Fact.


In regards to Brannstrom I would not trade him unless we are bringing back a stud centre and I honestly don’t believe packaging prospects to pool together for a legit #1 centre is beneficial to the rebuild. These kids need to get experience. Get over the growing pains and recognize that this team is very special and it still has a lot of years of figuring out how to win.
Patience sir.
Unholy_Forward
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.07.2012

Aug 4 @ 11:27 PM ET
Some of you guys are just plain nuts in your wanting to be critical of speculative hockey discussion. If the commentary displeases you why waste your time and ours. It is more than appropriate to challenge ideas. But, your criticisms directed towards the personal motivation of a blogger is frivolous. Perhaps you would be less agitated if just merely moved on.
- spatso




Context and the narrative of his storylines are my issue sir. I’m challenging why he is trying to divide readers and commenters.
I’m a Sens fan and you’re telling me not to post here because I have an opinion on a guy who has an opinion piece….does that really make sense to you?

I don’t hear you voicing an opinion or providing dialogue worthy of debating. It’s funny how the thing you called me out to be is exactly what you are. Silly, silly.
CaliNewf
Ottawa Senators
Location: AB
Joined: 02.06.2010

Aug 5 @ 12:09 AM ET
I am with you on Brannstrom. With JBD and Sanderson, plus Thomson on the way, you have Chabot too. I dont see him ever getting into the top 4 on this team.

I thought Thomson’s progress had stalled last year and he is not as certain to make the NHL as initially thought?
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 5 @ 12:12 AM ET
I am with you on Brannstrom. With JBD and Sanderson, plus Thomson on the way, you have Chabot too. I dont see him ever getting into the top 4 on this team.
- CaliNewf


Troy Mann does a weekly hit on TSN 1200 during the season every Tuesday on the 10am-2pm show. He said they are going to "slow bake" Lassi Thomson, his exact words. He said for defensemen they arent in the business of rushing them. He has also used the term "overbake them" on the radio too, for a player like Batherson. He is a great interview.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 5 @ 8:15 AM ET
Context and the narrative of his storylines are my issue sir. I’m challenging why he is trying to divide readers and commenters.
I’m a Sens fan and you’re telling me not to post here because I have an opinion on a guy who has an opinion piece….does that really make sense to you?

I don’t hear you voicing an opinion or providing dialogue worthy of debating. It’s funny how the thing you called me out to be is exactly what you are. Silly, silly.

- Unholy_Forward


Challenge the opinion, no problem, we do it all the time.

I have difficulty with your attempting to undermine the character or motives of someone just trying to open up discussion on a thread that has struggled for participation and support.
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Aug 5 @ 10:45 AM ET
Typical Sens "Dog and Pony Show". The Sens promo machine has all the Ottawa media buzzing about the Sens big acquisition Michael Del Zotto. They've been doing the same thing for the past 2 seasons and it works. If you keep pounding the message positively, fans will eventually convince themselves that these players will turn things around and I'm sure there's more coming. Melnyck is happy, the team will play .400 hockey but they'll be hard to play against, the fans will be happy and the same thing will start over again next year.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Aug 5 @ 11:04 AM ET
Sens need to take a page from Coach Lasso...

Bring a guy in who has the skill they need to win games and hope the room/rest of the players/coach/change of scenery can make him less of a problem in the room.

Jake Eichel = Jamie Tartt
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:06 AM ET
Typical Sens "Dog and Pony Show". The Sens promo machine has all the Ottawa media buzzing about the Sens big acquisition Michael Del Zotto. They've been doing the same thing for the past 2 seasons and it works. If you keep pounding the message positively, fans will eventually convince themselves that these players will turn things around and I'm sure there's more coming. Melnyck is happy, the team will play .400 hockey but they'll be hard to play against, the fans will be happy and the same thing will start over again next year.
- granpa



What would you do to accelerate the process? How would you turn the Sens into an immediate and serious playoff participant?

I, for one, am very content for them to be patient and allow the team to grow around the kids. I was a huge supporter of the Shanaplan for the Leafs. Draft well, develop the kids and be patient. I thought the Leaf program was working exceptionally well and the fans loved participating in the teams incremental progress. But, Dubas got impatient. He blew his wad. Tavares was going to lead the Leafs to the promised land. You will notice Leaf fans have only had playoff heartbreak and disappointment ever since.

I am happy to see the Sens make cautious progress and for them to structure every player decision around growing a winning group with the kids at the centre.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Aug 5 @ 11:09 AM ET
Typical Sens "Dog and Pony Show"
- granpa


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:13 AM ET
Sens need to take a page from Coach Lasso...

Bring a guy in who has the skill they need to win games and hope the room/rest of the players/coach/change of scenery can make him less of a problem in the room.

Jake Eichel = Jamie Tartt

- GrimmdaGoalie



I have this terrible feeling that Eichel is not the kind of player who makes everyone around him better. I fear that Eichel is a negative value on the whole. He pulls down rather than builds up the team around him. So, the team that gets Eichel may end up being more like Buffalo and nothing like the collection of hard working elite players that we see from Tampa.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 5 @ 12:34 PM ET
I have this terrible feeling that Eichel is not the kind of player who makes everyone around him better. I fear that Eichel is a negative value on the whole. He pulls down rather than builds up the team around him. So, the team that gets Eichel may end up being more like Buffalo and nothing like the collection of hard working elite players that we see from Tampa.
- spatso

That seems pretty speculative... Eichel is still a premium talent, and if you had to list 3 NHL teams where it would be hardest to make everyone around you better, that list would have Buffalo written in 3 different fonts. Not to mention that he's only 24... Hedman and Stamkos didn't have the "hard-working elite player" reputation at that age either. Character assassination is such an easy thing... look at Turris, who people thought was some kind of problem child because he didn't like how the Coyotes were developing him. What was he really? A guy who knew he could be better with the right opportunity, who was also a tremendous teammate, with had an amazingly charitable nature. So if Eichel is half the competitor that many people have suggested, how could he not be frustrated with the direction of the Sabres organization? And is that really a character flaw?
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:33 PM ET
I have this terrible feeling that Eichel is not the kind of player who makes everyone around him better. I fear that Eichel is a negative value on the whole. He pulls down rather than builds up the team around him. So, the team that gets Eichel may end up being more like Buffalo and nothing like the collection of hard working elite players that we see from Tampa.
- spatso


The difference in Ottawa is that Eichel wouldn't be the captain and the team wouldn't be built around him. He'd be the highest paid player, no doubt, but it would still be Brady and Chabot's team.
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Aug 5 @ 1:40 PM ET
What would you do to accelerate the process? How would you turn the Sens into an immediate and serious playoff participant?

I, for one, am very content for them to be patient and allow the team to grow around the kids. I was a huge supporter of the Shanaplan for the Leafs. Draft well, develop the kids and be patient. I thought the Leaf program was working exceptionally well and the fans loved participating in the teams incremental progress. But, Dubas got impatient. He blew his wad. Tavares was going to lead the Leafs to the promised land. You will notice Leaf fans have only had playoff heartbreak and disappointment ever since.

I am happy to see the Sens make cautious progress and for them to structure every player decision around growing a winning group with the kids at the centre.

- spatso

I want to see the team grow around the kids. But unfortunately the coaching staff's evaluation of prospects is more about playing style than talent and being NHL ready. If a player is ready a good coach finds a spot for him and if he doesn't work out you trade him, you don't send him to Bville. NHL players are easier to trade than AHL players.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Aug 5 @ 1:45 PM ET
That seems pretty speculative... Eichel is still a premium talent, and if you had to list 3 NHL teams where it would be hardest to make everyone around you better, that list would have Buffalo written in 3 different fonts. Not to mention that he's only 24... Hedman and Stamkos didn't have the "hard-working elite player" reputation at that age either. Character assassination is such an easy thing... look at Turris, who people thought was some kind of problem child because he didn't like how the Coyotes were developing him. What was he really? A guy who knew he could be better with the right opportunity, who was also a tremendous teammate, with had an amazingly charitable nature. So if Eichel is half the competitor that many people have suggested, how could he not be frustrated with the direction of the Sabres organization? And is that really a character flaw?
- khawk

This. I am not sure why Eichel gets thrown to the "bad seed" group. Put him in the right environment and watch him excel.

The concern should be is his injury status longterm, but alas, it's easier to just call a dude a dilweed.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:45 PM ET
I want to see the team grow around the kids. But unfortunately the coaching staff's evaluation of prospects is more about playing style than talent and being NHL ready. If a player is ready a good coach finds a spot for him and if he doesn't work out you trade him, you don't send him to Bville. NHL players are easier to trade than AHL players.
- granpa


which player, who played a majority of the season in Belleville, was "NHL ready" according to you?

every single team develops prospects in the AHL....that's the main reason the AHL exists.

some of the best teams in the league have a reputation for not rushing prospects who aren't ready (tampa, colorado, carolina, etc)......there aren't any examples of players that i can think of who suffered from "too much time in the AHL"......there is a very long list of players i can think of who suffered from "not nearly enough time in the AHL"
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Aug 5 @ 1:47 PM ET
I want to see the team grow around the kids. But unfortunately the coaching staff's evaluation of prospects is more about playing style than talent and being NHL ready. If a player is ready a good coach finds a spot for him and if he doesn't work out you trade him, you don't send him to Bville. NHL players are easier to trade than AHL players.
- granpa

Look at game one of last season, take note of the roster. Then look at the final game of the season and take note of the roster. If you can't see a youth movement happening, I am not sure what to tell you.

You can't just plug and play every young guy. Each guy has their own developmental curve. Patients is key.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:47 PM ET
This. I am not sure why Eichel gets thrown to the "bad seed" group. Put him in the right environment and watch him excel.

The concern should be is his injury status longterm, but alas, it's easier to just call a dude a dilweed.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


to be fair, he's had a pretty poopty attitude in buffalo......I just don't think he's a player that should lead the team, and be the cornerstone of the organization......he seems much better suited to be the guy that just goes out and plays.

he reminds me a lot of spezza when he was here.....he was a much better player before taking on the leadership role. I think if you put Eichel on a team where he can just play, and not be the face of the franchise, he'd be much better for it.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Aug 5 @ 1:52 PM ET
to be fair, he's had a pretty poopty attitude in buffalo......I just don't think he's a player that should lead the team, and be the cornerstone of the organization......he seems much better suited to be the guy that just goes out and plays.

he reminds me a lot of spezza when he was here.....he was a much better player before taking on the leadership role. I think if you put Eichel on a team where he can just play, and not be the face of the franchise, he'd be much better for it.

- sensarmy_11

Patrick Kane 2.0 in other words.

Re: attitude, how long does a team have to suck before a guy can start to have an attitude that is considered poopty? Windows of prime years in the NHL are so short, you can't blame a little frustration.
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