Kind of tough to send those kids down after they have seen the Lights of Chicago but it is the smart move after the Boqvist debacle .I don't know why Nylander is slotted in the top six or even on the roster, he has proven nothing. He should be slated for the A until he gets it

oldduffman

Interesting that Dach and Nylander have the same statistics with the same number of games, yet Dach is a shoe-in #1 center, and Nylander doesn't deserve a training camp to determine if he can make the roster.
- LAHawk

Careful you'll get banned here. Dach has now played ONE COMPLETE teenage season and people are already saying "he better be this good next year." Come back in 3 years and he'll still be young it's very early in Dach's development. The stupid AHL on age needs to change.

What is Toews odds of starting the season?
- LAHawk

I read another thread that stated he has started skating but not skating regularly and that this was being floated out there. my guess is we off season Shaw unless we move someone and then start Teows on LTIR on day 1. or Vice versa. Maybe that is why we are not pushing to move strome. maybe he starts at center to start the year.

traing camp starts in 6 weeks. if he is only skating once in a while he will not be ready for the start of the year.

Secondary scoring is extremely important, especially when the Hawks play a team with 2 solid pairs on the back end that can keep the Hawks skilled guys at bay.
- SteveRain

While I’d love for the Hawks to get rid of Connolly’s cap hit, in the mean time he can add some short term value to the bottom six. He’s the least of Hawks problems.

If that was the trade I’d agree. But an awful lot of future went the other way and that contract will kill the Hawks if Jones is unable to play close to Keith did in his prime. That said I’m willing to see if he can be a great defenseman and a difference maker.
- paulr

I was referring to C. Jones.

Careful you'll get banned here. Dach has now played ONE COMPLETE teenage season and people are already saying "he better be this good next year." Come back in 3 years and he'll still be young it's very early in Dach's development. The stupid AHL on age needs to change.
- rpeters01

Actually Dach hadn’t dominated in junior and wasn’t ready for the AHL let alone the NHL. And I think the rules for junior aged players in the AHL is fine in most cases for a few reasons. Some NHL teams would put all their prospects in the AHL hurting the junior leagues. It won’t allow players to develop in an environment with their own peers in terms of talent and size. And on some teams players will be shuffled back and forth from the NHL to AHL without any real regard to their long term development. Sure there are exceptions but most 18 and 19 year olds are not ready to play pro at any level.

Well said, and your 1st, 2 paragraphs.......that's a lot of fan's expectations as well....falling in love with EVERY prospect.
- SteveRain

Nowhere more than on this board at least for one shift!

I read another thread that stated he has started skating but not skating regularly and that this was being floated out there. my guess is we off season Shaw unless we move someone and then start Teows on LTIR on day 1. or Vice versa. Maybe that is why we are not pushing to move strome. maybe he starts at center to start the year.

traing camp starts in 6 weeks. if he is only skating once in a while he will not be ready for the start of the year.
- kmw4631

You have no idea how long he's been skating or what training he has been doing, so to say he won't be ready for training camp or by training camp is a pretty big assumption. Lots psychics at work o here these days

I was referring to C. Jones.
- rpeters01

Sorry, my mistake. And I’d agree with you.

off season LTIR only works well if you have 2 players going on. 1 off season and 1 day 1. the sabs thing was going to help us allot this year. But unless somebody else is LTIR next it makes it much harder. you dont accrue cap space during the year on LTIR in the off season. But in our case we would have accruued cap space with Shaws in season LTIR. we can also open the year with 20 players for the first game so that can save you around $2mil. I still think we are not under the cap even if we go 20 players. I wonder if we know of another player that may go on LTIR? who else had any surgeries and might not be ready day 1?
- kmw4631

Toews?

While I’d love for the Hawks to get rid of Connolly’s cap hit, in the mean time he can add some short term value to the bottom six. He’s the least of Hawks problems.
- Angotti

I would agree...and some of these veterans who pop good secondary scoring are good role models for younger guys who all think they are top 6 material and then can realize they still can have a GREAT role and a future in the NHL....look at Frolik....guy was at the crossroads when he got here.....became a great secondary player and got himself a few decent deals $$ wise after leaving here.

I also have zero clue how the LTIR works in season vs out of season. Almost need a masters degree to figure out some of this crap. In reading Bowman's quotes, he didn't seem overly concerned or hinting another move HAD to happen to be cap compliant.

The Hawks should decide in preseason or early season, what role do they want of the fourth line. The best fourth line in the league last season, Islanders, had a clear defined role ... they accepted that and executed. Trotz used them in many situations, other than powerplay. Too many times in previous years, the fourth line is comprised of spare parts that could not play on first through third lines. Khaira is on the fourth line and not any higher. Let's go heavy than. Or give me three guys that forecheck well. Carve out their niche, give them their role, and go with it!

Nowhere more than on this board at least for one shift!
- rpeters01

HAHAHA....so true....

Kind of tough to send those kids down after they have seen the Lights of Chicago but it is the smart move after the Boqvist debacle .I don't know why Nylander is slotted in the top six or even on the roster, he has proven nothing. He should be slated for the A until he gets it

oldduffman

Interesting that Dach and Nylander have the same statistics with the same number of games, yet Dach is a shoe-in #1 center, and Nylander doesn't deserve a training camp to determine if he can make the roster.
- LAHawk

Dach passes the eye test and was a NHL regular that did not look out of place when healthy and showed signs of having a higher ceiling. Thats going straight to the NHL from playing with children.

Nylander does not pass the eye test and only sometimes looks like he has NHL talent even though the technical skill and physical tools seem to be there. That's with AHL 'seasoning' which is a thing apparently.

Dach was further ahead though behind age \ development wise.

That is a rather uninspiring group of FAs Theo mentioned. Frolik has been done for 2 years at least.

I read another thread that stated he has started skating but not skating regularly and that this was being floated out there. my guess is we off season Shaw unless we move someone and then start Teows on LTIR on day 1. or Vice versa. Maybe that is why we are not pushing to move strome. maybe he starts at center to start the year.

traing camp starts in 6 weeks. if he is only skating once in a while he will not be ready for the start of the year.
- kmw4631

Thanks for the details on LTIR. Very helpful.

As for Toews, I wouldn't put too much weight on his skating (ir)regularity since we don't know the skating frequency of his teammates. For all we know, maybe he's skating the most. There is also off-ice training that Toews may be doing, too, that we're not aware of.

The fact that Toews is skating to some degree or other is a good sign. He's been skating with Murphy, Hinostroza, and Wise. Hinostroza will be moving to Buffalo soon (if not already) to start training with the Sabres.

That is a rather uninspiring group of FAs Theo mentioned. Frolik has been done for 2 years at least.
- Elbows15

Yeah, not the best crop to pull from so slim pickings if Bowman is still interested in signing anymore free agents. At least find someone serviceable in a limited role.

Thanks, Z.

I agree, Kampf's departure left a hole at 4C even if there are quantifiably enough centers on the roster. Carpenter is okay in that spot but the Hawks could do better. Same with Khaira who I would prefer he play wing.

If Entwistle is spending a little more time in Rockford in 2021-22, then this is where a free agent like Zajac or Bozak could be a good move (assuming cap space is freed up). Both are excellent on draws, well above 50% with Bozak hovering closer to 60%.
- Theo Fox

unless some salary is moved out, the Hawks don't have cap space to sign any of the centers you mentioned. Even with Shaw on LTIR. Now, if Toews starts the season on LTIR, its a different story.

Yeah, not the best crop to pull from so slim pickings if Bowman is still interested in signing anymore free agents. At least find someone serviceable in a limited role.
- Theo Fox

The problem is there aren't many who are serviceable. Hawks don't have cap space in any event. They have about 3.2M of Shaw's LTIR left and still need to get Hagel signed at the very least. Plus, Nylander was qualified so he will count against the 3.2M.

The problem is there aren't many who are serviceable. Hawks don't have cap space in any event. They have about 3.2M of Shaw's LTIR left and still need to get Hagel signed at the very least. Plus, Nylander was qualified so he will count against the 3.2M.
- Elbows15

I can't believe I am going to say this but maybe it's best to hold on to Dehaan. I don't see any alternative that's any better based on that list.

Same at F.....I'd hate to see some young guys be forced down who are READY to play because of roster space but i also don't want them rushing kids if there is a veteran already here at F......

Seems they have a LOT of forwards who are NHL ready vs D....and to Olgi's point I also wouldn't mind seeing Mitchell and Beaudin getting some valuable AHL top pairing minutes to help their development. that's assuming joness brother isn't a turd

The problem is there aren't many who are serviceable. Hawks don't have cap space in any event. They have about 3.2M of Shaw's LTIR left and still need to get Hagel signed at the very least. Plus, Nylander was qualified so he will count against the 3.2M.
- Elbows15

Bowman shot down the theory that the Hawks will need to make a trade to clear salary-cap space now that Fleury’s $7 million hit officially sits on the books.

“We won’t have to make any moves,” he said. “We might make a move if we think it makes sense for the future of the team, but we’re in a good situation relative to the salary cap. We have some flexibility there with how we compose our roster for the opening night.”

He implied that Andrew Shaw’s contract will be put on long-term injured reserve, and his comments also lent credence to the idea that Brett Connolly’s contract could be buried in the AHL — a transaction that would free up an additional $1.075 million.

Bowman shot down the theory that the Hawks will need to make a trade to clear salary-cap space now that Fleury’s $7 million hit officially sits on the books.

“We won’t have to make any moves,” he said. “We might make a move if we think it makes sense for the future of the team, but we’re in a good situation relative to the salary cap. We have some flexibility there with how we compose our roster for the opening night.”

He implied that Andrew Shaw’s contract will be put on long-term injured reserve, and his comments also lent credence to the idea that Brett Connolly’s contract could be buried in the AHL — a transaction that would free up an additional $1.075 million.
- LAHawk

Didn't say anything about needing to make a move to be cap compliant. That isn't a problem. It is if they want to sign anybody else. Though, one could argue how much garbage does a team need?

You have no idea how long he's been skating or what training he has been doing, so to say he won't be ready for training camp or by training camp is a pretty big assumption. Lots psychics at work o here these days
- GPHawksfan

I said: if he is not skating regularly right now he is not going to be ready for training camp ( you are aware that he is 33 and took the year off) I do not know for sure if he has or has not been skating regularly. NHL players train nearly year round and im sure all Players are doing heavy workouts to get ready for training camp. the season starts 3 weeks after training camp you cant go from sitting around for a year to doing 45 minute shifts in 3 weeks.

I said: if he is not skating regularly right now he is not going to be ready for training camp ( you are aware that he is 33 and took the year off) I do not know for sure if he has or has not been skating regularly. NHL players train nearly year round and im sure all Players are doing heavy workouts to get ready for training camp. the season starts 3 weeks after training camp you cant go from sitting around for a year to doing 45 minute shifts in 3 weeks.
- kmw4631

Shifts weren't even that long when Elbows was a kid!

Shifts weren't even that long when Elbows was a kid!
- mohel

I think Kane had a couple of shifts that long last year

I said: if he is not skating regularly right now he is not going to be ready for training camp ( you are aware that he is 33 and took the year off) I do not know for sure if he has or has not been skating regularly. NHL players train nearly year round and im sure all Players are doing heavy workouts to get ready for training camp. the season starts 3 weeks after training camp you cant go from sitting around for a year to doing 45 minute shifts in 3 weeks.
- kmw4631

From NHL.com on Aug 3rd.

Jonathan Toews doesn't have a timetable to return to the Chicago Blackhawks, but general manager Stan Bowman is optimistic the center will play at some point this season.

"Same answer I gave the other day, which is, we're all hopeful that he continues on his path and training and feeling better. Nothing's derailed that," Bowman said Monday. "But with what he's gone through, we don't know where it's going to be. So here we are today, things are looking good, and that's our thought moving forward."

Sound to like to me it's still a big question mark as to whether or not he starts the season with the team or on IR.