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Jeremy Laura
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Detroit Red Wings
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Jan 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
Jeremy Laura: Lidstrom’s role becomes official
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 11 @ 3:26 PM ET
Seems like you belittle any draft criticism. Like anyone who believed so and so was drafted "way too high" has been proven wrong. Let's recap.

Many said Bertuzzi was drafted way too high. A great example where those folks, myself included, were proven wrong.

Rasmussen. I called it way too high. His ceiling was 3C at best. At times he's being used on the wing. If you wanted a skilled centreman, Necas and Suzuki were available. So I stand by my initial thought. Poor pick.

You conveniently omit Zadina from the drafted too high section. Imagine having Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson...those were the 3 d-men we all debated.

Seider. Some people thought he was drafted too high. I didn't. After the Rasmussen and Zadina debacles it was clear we needed a d-man. It was him or Broberg.

Raymond is having a nice year. Cheering for the guy. But people act like it was some brilliant pick. If we went with Drysdale I don't think many would be complaining. Jake Sanderson is one of the top prospects not currently in the NHL. Anton Lundell was debated. He's your 2C behind Larkin and only a few points off Raymond's pace, playing the much more difficult position. I could argue Raymond was too high and Lundell might have a bigger impact over time.

But you just imply everyone is wrong and Yzerman did it all right. Ok then.

dothedougie
Boston Bruins
Location: My advice to you.....is to start drinking heavily
Joined: 10.24.2013

Jan 11 @ 3:26 PM ET
Suck it Feds
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 3:36 PM ET
Seems like you belittle any draft criticism. Like anyone who believed so and so was drafted "way too high" has been proven wrong. Let's recap.

Many said Bertuzzi was drafted way too high. A great example where those folks, myself included, were proven wrong.

Rasmussen. I called it way too high. His ceiling was 3C at best. At times he's being used on the wing. If you wanted a skilled centreman, Necas and Suzuki were available. So I stand by my initial thought. Poor pick.

You conveniently omit Zadina from the drafted too high section. Imagine having Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson...those were the 3 d-men we all debated.

Seider. Some people thought he was drafted too high. I didn't. After the Rasmussen and Zadina debacles it was clear we needed a d-man. It was him or Broberg.

Raymond is having a nice year. Cheering for the guy. But people act like it was some brilliant pick. If we went with Drysdale I don't think many would be complaining. Jake Sanderson is one of the top prospects not currently in the NHL. Anton Lundell was debated. He's your 2C behind Larkin and only a few points off Raymond's pace, playing the much more difficult position. I could argue Raymond was too high and Lundell might have a bigger impact over time.

But you just imply everyone is wrong and Yzerman did it all right. Ok then.

- HockeyBuzzed

TLDR. Nobody cares about your dumbass opinions.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 3:37 PM ET
Suck it Feds
- dothedougie

HenryHockey
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Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jan 11 @ 4:59 PM ET
But you just imply everyone is wrong
HockeyBuzzARD

This quote is best applied to the author, the Father of Negativity.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jan 11 @ 5:01 PM ET
Nice positive writing, Jeremy! Gonna be a bright future for the Wings!
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 11 @ 5:01 PM ET
TLDR. Nobody cares about your dumbass opinions.
- Feds91Stammer


Yeah too busy being fanboys and oblivious to the talent around them. The Raymond worship is so over the top. His feats have been compared to Yzerman? Neat. Looks like he's on his way to being a solid top 6 winger. Nice to have. But if Drysdale or Sanderson develop into a 1D or Lundell becomes a Barkov/Bergeron centre, then it's not a great pick.
Jeremy Laura
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Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jan 11 @ 5:08 PM ET
Seems like you belittle any draft criticism. Like anyone who believed so and so was drafted "way too high" has been proven wrong. Let's recap.

Many said Bertuzzi was drafted way too high. A great example where those folks, myself included, were proven wrong.

Rasmussen. I called it way too high. His ceiling was 3C at best. At times he's being used on the wing. If you wanted a skilled centreman, Necas and Suzuki were available. So I stand by my initial thought. Poor pick.

You conveniently omit Zadina from the drafted too high section. Imagine having Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson...those were the 3 d-men we all debated.

Seider. Some people thought he was drafted too high. I didn't. After the Rasmussen and Zadina debacles it was clear we needed a d-man. It was him or Broberg.

Raymond is having a nice year. Cheering for the guy. But people act like it was some brilliant pick. If we went with Drysdale I don't think many would be complaining. Jake Sanderson is one of the top prospects not currently in the NHL. Anton Lundell was debated. He's your 2C behind Larkin and only a few points off Raymond's pace, playing the much more difficult position. I could argue Raymond was too high and Lundell might have a bigger impact over time.

But you just imply everyone is wrong and Yzerman did it all right. Ok then.

- HockeyBuzzed


Brother, I’ve always tried to be straight with you. I’m just revamping the initial reactions. Everyone (you inncluded) who thought cholo was a bust was right. Same with Svech. I’m just impressed with the steps forward and how Yzerman has gone off the board at each step. Not every pick will turn out. Someone is going to get traded at some point. Just impressed to see Wings top rookies performaing at the top of multiple lists. Very different feeling than the past few years. You’re always welcome, you know I won’t be here for a whole lot longer. For what it’s worth, I love you man
bluelineenforcer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 10.21.2019

Jan 11 @ 5:24 PM ET
I think I speak for all of us when I say we each individually have more knowledge of 18-year-old players we've never really watched, than the nearly 30 members of the largest scouting staff in the NHL, who watches hundreds of hours of film on each player, talks to their coaches, family members, teammates doctors and psychologists, and is planning out their roster for the next decade while taking into account current contracts, where players we never get to see are at in their development and projecting potential trade deals.

Other than the fact that clearly Yzerman should put polls on Hockeybuzz when deciding who to draft, I think Lidstrom's job is to turn Seider and Edvinsson into the perfect humans, and I sure hope he does.
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 11 @ 5:26 PM ET
Brother, I’ve always tried to be straight with you. I’m just revamping the initial reactions. Everyone (you inncluded) who thought cholo was a bust was right. Same with Svech. I’m just impressed with the steps forward and how Yzerman has gone off the board at each step. Not every pick will turn out. Someone is going to get traded at some point. Just impressed to see Wings top rookies performaing at the top of multiple lists. Very different feeling than the past few years. You’re always welcome, you know I won’t be here for a whole lot longer. For what it’s worth, I love you man
- Jeremy Laura


Hoping Raymond turns out to be the best player in the draft. But just saying slow down the praise after 30 games and basically zero recognition of the other players around him. If we drafted Lundell people would be going on about Larkin-Lundell being a great 1-2 and whatever Raymond was doing elsewhere would be totally ignored here. As for going off the board I think it's a bit exaggerated. After Rasmussen and Zadina it was clear we needed a dman. It was either Broberg or Seider at that point. It's not like he picked some guy projected for the 2nd round at 6th overall. Many drafts had him going between 6-15. But ok. Call it going way off the board if you must.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 6:01 PM ET
Yeah too busy being fanboys and oblivious to the talent around them. The Raymond worship is so over the top. His feats have been compared to Yzerman? Neat. Looks like he's on his way to being a solid top 6 winger. Nice to have. But if Drysdale or Sanderson develop into a 1D or Lundell becomes a Barkov/Bergeron centre, then it's not a great pick.
- HockeyBuzzed

TLDR
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 11 @ 7:26 PM ET
TLDR
- Feds91Stammer


Maybe go watch Lundell and tell us all what you think? First 5 minutes and he kills a penalty and assists on the games first goal. But fanboys like you probably couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. Red Wings all the time right?
mplackitt
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Owen Sound, ON
Joined: 07.11.2014

Jan 11 @ 7:28 PM ET
HockeyBuzzard you come across as an over pretentious a$$. J most definitely wasn't attacking you outright. I typically enjoy your banter and opinions. But carrying on like you have on this post is done in poor taste. J was just pointing out that after all the comments, and negativity towards picks that have been made, there has been a lot of good to come from them, and some I told ya so's. Maybe don't come across so but hurt. And especially considering we are beyond lucky to get a post from J anymore, just enjoy the fact we did get one. Hope all is well with you J, really miss reading your stuff, by far the best on the site. Best of wishes in your future, your a fighter and champ!!!
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 7:52 PM ET
Maybe go watch Lundell and tell us all what you think? First 5 minutes and he kills a penalty and assists on the games first goal. But fanboys like you probably couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. Red Wings all the time right?
- HockeyBuzzed

TLDR
Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Jan 12 @ 8:36 AM ET
Seems like you belittle any draft criticism. Like anyone who believed so and so was drafted "way too high" has been proven wrong. Let's recap.

Many said Bertuzzi was drafted way too high. A great example where those folks, myself included, were proven wrong.

Rasmussen. I called it way too high. His ceiling was 3C at best. At times he's being used on the wing. If you wanted a skilled centreman, Necas and Suzuki were available. So I stand by my initial thought. Poor pick.

You conveniently omit Zadina from the drafted too high section. Imagine having Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson...those were the 3 d-men we all debated.

Seider. Some people thought he was drafted too high. I didn't. After the Rasmussen and Zadina debacles it was clear we needed a d-man. It was him or Broberg.

Raymond is having a nice year. Cheering for the guy. But people act like it was some brilliant pick. If we went with Drysdale I don't think many would be complaining. Jake Sanderson is one of the top prospects not currently in the NHL. Anton Lundell was debated. He's your 2C behind Larkin and only a few points off Raymond's pace, playing the much more difficult position. I could argue Raymond was too high and Lundell might have a bigger impact over time.

But you just imply everyone is wrong and Yzerman did it all right. Ok then.

- HockeyBuzzed


Good grief... what a ridiculous rant. You're utterly clueless about this blog and the Red Wings in general. I guess you should be the GM since you have so much more draft wisdom and experience than Yzerman. Maybe Stevie Y should have you on his speed dial to consult you for the next draft... Stevie isn't perfect... but he's already proven to be an excellent GM.

Jeremy does not imply everyone else is wrong and Yzerman did it all right... that is complete nonsense. In fact, he's very respectful to other people's opinions even if he disagrees.

As Wings fans we're all excited about the progress that Stevie Y has made as GM in the amount of time he's been here. This is especially true considering the dumpster fire that Holland left us. Not every draft pick is going to be a "hit"... but so far most Wings fans are pretty happy with most of Holland's picks. We have the two best rookies in the NHL... of course we're stoked about that. I guess you didn't get the memo the Wings ARE in a rebuild...

As for Raymond... we all knew Raymond was probably going to be a solid pick... but nobody predicted him to be a bonafide NHL top line forward at 19 years of age.... so of course we're high on him. Not since Yzerman himself have we seen that kind of potential from a kid that age... so get used to it, get over it... and go back to your Oilers blog if you feel the need to post annoying and negative junk that offers nothing to the conversation.
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 12 @ 10:21 AM ET
Good grief... what a ridiculous rant. You're utterly clueless about this blog and the Red Wings in general. I guess you should be the GM since you have so much more draft wisdom and experience than Yzerman. Maybe Stevie Y should have you on his speed dial to consult you for the next draft... Stevie isn't perfect... but he's already proven to be an excellent GM.

Jeremy does not imply everyone else is wrong and Yzerman did it all right... that is complete nonsense. In fact, he's very respectful to other people's opinions even if he disagrees.

As Wings fans we're all excited about the progress that Stevie Y has made as GM in the amount of time he's been here. This is especially true considering the dumpster fire that Holland left us. Not every draft pick is going to be a "hit"... but so far most Wings fans are pretty happy with most of Holland's picks. We have the two best rookies in the NHL... of course we're stoked about that. I guess you didn't get the memo the Wings ARE in a rebuild...

As for Raymond... we all knew Raymond was probably going to be a solid pick... but nobody predicted him to be a bonafide NHL top line forward at 19 years of age.... so of course we're high on him. Not since Yzerman himself have we seen that kind of potential from a kid that age... so get used to it, get over it... and go back to your Oilers blog if you feel the need to post annoying and negative junk that offers nothing to the conversation.

- Vladdie_Kon1


I'm happy with the direction of the team. But unlike you, I don't get carried away. Like you state we have the two best rookies in the NHL as if this is some universal fact. I disagree. Am I allowed to disagree? Am I allowed to say that? Raymond hasn't scored a goal in 13 games. When Larkin isn't around, he is pretty quiet. Case in point...last night he played almost 21 minutes. Zero points. One shot. Minus player. Is he a bust? No of course not. But slow down the praise. Guys like Zegras and Lundell get my vote. They play a far more difficult position. A position we are incredibly thin at. So it's cool that you love Raymond, but I probably would have drafted Lundell who is not fading like Raymond but getting better. After game 82 I think you'll find Raymond is not leading all rookies in scoring. He'll be passed by several others. But I'm clueless right. Carry on.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
I'm happy with the direction of the team. But unlike you, I don't get carried away. Like you state we have the two best rookies in the NHL as if this is some universal fact. I disagree. Am I allowed to disagree? Am I allowed to say that? Raymond hasn't scored a goal in 13 games. When Larkin isn't around, he is pretty quiet. Case in point...last night he played almost 21 minutes. Zero points. One shot. Minus player. Is he a bust? No of course not. But slow down the praise. Guys like Zegras and Lundell get my vote. They play a far more difficult position. A position we are incredibly thin at. So it's cool that you love Raymond, but I probably would have drafted Lundell who is not fading like Raymond but getting better. After game 82 I think you'll find Raymond is not leading all rookies in scoring. He'll be passed by several others. But I'm clueless right. Carry on.
- HockeyBuzzed

TLDR
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 12 @ 11:07 AM ET
TLDR
- Feds91Stammer


You add so much to the debate. A wealth of knowledge and insight.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 12 @ 11:09 AM ET
You add so much to the debate. A wealth of knowledge and insight.
- HockeyBuzzed

Enough knowledge to know better than to “debate” with an asshat
Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:06 PM ET
I'm happy with the direction of the team. But unlike you, I don't get carried away. Like you state we have the two best rookies in the NHL as if this is some universal fact. I disagree. Am I allowed to disagree? Am I allowed to say that? Raymond hasn't scored a goal in 13 games. When Larkin isn't around, he is pretty quiet. Case in point...last night he played almost 21 minutes. Zero points. One shot. Minus player. Is he a bust? No of course not. But slow down the praise. Guys like Zegras and Lundell get my vote. They play a far more difficult position. A position we are incredibly thin at. So it's cool that you love Raymond, but I probably would have drafted Lundell who is not fading like Raymond but getting better. After game 82 I think you'll find Raymond is not leading all rookies in scoring. He'll be passed by several others. But I'm clueless right. Carry on.
- HockeyBuzzed


No... I'm not carried away... and neither is anyone else who thinks Holland has done a good job drafting. It's fine to disagree.. but you tend to do it with a very snooty, negative and condescending tone which gets old pretty quick. We'll find out where Raymond is at when we get to the end of the season. Not worried about that at all... You can keep whining about how much you think Zegras and Lundell would have been better picks.. but be respectful when replying to our blogger. You come across like a d-bag.
Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
Enough knowledge to know better than to “debate” with an asshat
- Feds91Stammer


Yeah... good point. I need an "ignore" button when he posts his rants.
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Jan 12 @ 3:03 PM ET
No... I'm not carried away... and neither is anyone else who thinks Holland has done a good job drafting. It's fine to disagree.. but you tend to do it with a very snooty, negative and condescending tone which gets old pretty quick. We'll find out where Raymond is at when we get to the end of the season. Not worried about that at all... You can keep whining about how much you think Zegras and Lundell would have been better picks.. but be respectful when replying to our blogger. You come across like a d-bag.
- Vladdie_Kon1


Cool. So if you say that the Wings have the two top rookies then we should all just agree. Right on. Let's just wait for the final Calder votes then decide who had a more reasonable opinion versus who was getting a bit carried away. By the way, you keep talking about Holland's draft prowess. I think you mean Yzerman. Minor detail.
BiffPokaroba
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 11.14.2019

Jan 12 @ 3:23 PM ET
I like the changes because these guys have an eye for talent AND they know what it takes onice to be a winner. Now if we could just get a coach PLEASE!
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jan 12 @ 3:40 PM ET
I like the changes because these guys have an eye for talent AND they know what it takes onice to be a winner. Now if we could just get a coach PLEASE!
- BiffPokaroba
To be fair, the Wings were projected to be in the bottom 5 in the league, and instead are a play-off bubble team. They only have 3 D-men and 6 forwards and maybe 1 goalie that would be on a contending team....and that may be rather generous. I would think that coaching has something to do with that.
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