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Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Jan 19 @ 4:08 PM ET
Jacob Billington: Taking A Look At Upcoming Free Agents on the Jets
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 19 @ 9:39 PM ET
I pretty much agree with most of what was said in your article. I think in order to make room for the Jets incoming Dmen. The Jets might need to trade away two of Dillion ,Schmidt and Demelo. It also allows more cap room to sign Dubios. I think Copp will not re-sign with the Jets. Chevy will likely need to go free-agent shopping for a replacement. Nathan Smith is also a roster possibility next year unless he pulls a Jimmy Vesey and then signs with hometown TB. I'm not sure if we lose his rights next year or the following ?

It's early so lots can happen but it all depends on how the Jets perform during the next 15 games or so. I think the Jets will need to have similar points to the third-place team in the Pacific to make the playoffs as a wild card.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Jan 20 @ 7:46 AM ET
I pretty much agree with most of what was said in your article. I think in order to make room for the Jets incoming Dmen. The Jets might need to trade away two of Dillion ,Schmidt and Demelo. It also allows more cap room to sign Dubios. I think Copp will not re-sign with the Jets. Chevy will likely need to go free-agent shopping for a replacement. Nathan Smith is also a roster possibility next year unless he pulls a Jimmy Vesey and then signs with hometown TB. I'm not sure if we lose his rights next year or the following ?

It's early so lots can happen but it all depends on how the Jets perform during the next 15 games or so. I think the Jets will need to have similar points to the third-place team in the Pacific to make the playoffs as a wild card.

- jetsnation


If Chevy can find room to keep Copp, Dubois and Comrie, I think the rest are pretty replaceable. Sure, with chemistry and such there are guys you want to keep more than others, like Svech, but even if Schmidt and Dillon get moved (and I can't stress enough, only due to cap reasons. I really like both players on this team) than keeping them is quite attainable
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 20 @ 10:42 AM ET
-PLD will not sign a contract for term for under 7.5
-I’d like Copp to sign a 3 year deal but agree he is gone, most likely Detroit-Columbus-Buffalo
-if Stastny will sign a one year extension now, keep him, if not trade him at deadline along with Copp. I’d also try and move Dillan.
-teams overpay at the deadline for cheap, physical D. There may be no better time to move Stanley than now. Do it.
-I’d also be open to trading Vesalainen or Harkins if someone offered a 2nd (which I doubt)

Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
I think a bigger move is needed this summer.

Either the Jets bring in an entirely new coaching staff with new ideas and systems and you see what they can do with this group

Or

You decide this leadership group is not going to get you there and you shake up the core by moving some of Sheif, wheels, Morrisey, Lowry.
With PLD, Ehlers, Connor and so on, moving some of the older vets doesn’t mean we are rebuilding, it would be a re shuffling
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 20 @ 2:12 PM ET
Just reflecting back on the Washington game:

1) It really irks me when I see the Jets lose a game in which they clearly outplayed and out-chanced the other team.

2) Suspensions are not enough for dirty hits on players. We could lose Ehlers for 10-20 games and Orlov gets 2 games. Jets get no benefit for the loss. Why not penalize teams who have players suspended by them losing a lower draft pick. For example :

A 10 Games suspension where injury occurs: loss of 3rd round draft pick to the other team : 7-9 games = 4th round pick . 4-6 games : 5th round pick .

This would really help clean up the games and provide adequate compensation for losses. What if this was McDavid or MacKinnon that was out 10 games ?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 20 @ 6:49 PM ET
Just reflecting back on the Washington game:

1) It really irks me when I see the Jets lose a game in which they clearly outplayed and out-chanced the other team.

2) Suspensions are not enough for dirty hits on players. We could lose Ehlers for 10-20 games and Orlov gets 2 games. Jets get no benefit for the loss. Why not penalize teams who have players suspended by them losing a lower draft pick. For example :

A 10 Games suspension where injury occurs: loss of 3rd round draft pick to the other team : 7-9 games = 4th round pick . 4-6 games : 5th round pick .

This would really help clean up the games and provide adequate compensation for losses. What if this was McDavid or MacKinnon that was out 10 games ?

- jetsnation


I don’t know what the answer is on dirty plays and suspensions. I don’t think you would have liked Shief or Pionk being out for 5 to 10 games and the Jets losing draft picks over their suspensions last year.

Knee on knee hits happen every game, every single game. If the player on receiving end doesn’t get hurt or go down the league doesn’t even look at it. Same with big hits. If you have the exact same clean hit but in one case the guy gets up and the other the guy is knocked out. Which one do you think the league is looking at.

My biggest issue is to many players go down and stay down when they are not hurt. The players are getting softer, there is no arguing that. More skilled, yes, but also softer. Take the good with the bad I suppose??? I don’t know.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 20 @ 7:32 PM ET
I don’t know what the answer is on dirty plays and suspensions. I don’t think you would have liked Shief or Pionk being out for 5 to 10 games and the Jets losing draft picks over their suspensions last year.

Knee on knee hits happen every game, every single game. If the player on receiving end doesn’t get hurt or go down the league doesn’t even look at it. Same with big hits. If you have the exact same clean hit but in one case the guy gets up and the other the guy is knocked out. Which one do you think the league is looking at.

My biggest issue is to many players go down and stay down when they are not hurt. The players are getting softer, there is no arguing that. More skilled, yes, but also softer. Take the good with the bad I suppose??? I don’t know.

- Ross77


Ross, I get your take on the matter. In essence, what I am saying is the punishment never really seesm to fit the crime, especially for a team in a different conference. So if McDavid for example gets hurt ( and misses a lot of games) by some deliberate act that is very obvious to DOPS then suspension alone is not always enough. Maybe it should be left up the the DOPS to make a decision on what draft choice. Maybe even have a NHL DOPS appointed doctor to examine the injury . A player missing 30 games while the other party only gets a 3-5 game suspension is just not right.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Jan 20 @ 7:56 PM ET
[quote=jetsnation]

Obviously this is a hypothetical idea...and I really like this conversation, but what about things that the team shouldn't be punished for?

ie. Kane's fake vaccine card
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 20 @ 8:08 PM ET
I pretty much agree with most of what was said in your article. I think in order to make room for the Jets incoming Dmen. The Jets might need to trade away two of Dillion ,Schmidt and Demelo. It also allows more cap room to sign Dubios. I think Copp will not re-sign with the Jets. Chevy will likely need to go free-agent shopping for a replacement. Nathan Smith is also a roster possibility next year unless he pulls a Jimmy Vesey and then signs with hometown TB. I'm not sure if we lose his rights next year or the following ?

It's early so lots can happen but it all depends on how the Jets perform during the next 15 games or so. I think the Jets will need to have similar points to the third-place team in the Pacific to make the playoffs as a wild card.

- jetsnation


The Jets have till August 15th of 2023 to sign N.Smith.

Hopefully they can get him signed before then.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 20 @ 11:51 PM ET
Four goals by Nashville tonight were weird bounces of skates of lucky deflections. Definitely, Nashville outplayed the Jets in the first and played a good game overall but once again this puck luck thing is not going our way. Coach Lowry is 100% correct when he says we need more net-front presence. I'm still not seeing this from the Jets. They seem to be ignoring this advice OR maybe we just don't have the right players to make this happen.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 21 @ 10:10 AM ET
Four goals by Nashville tonight were weird bounces of skates of lucky deflections. Definitely, Nashville outplayed the Jets in the first and played a good game overall but once again this puck luck thing is not going our way. Coach Lowry is 100% correct when he says we need more net-front presence. I'm still not seeing this from the Jets. They seem to be ignoring this advice OR maybe we just don't have the right players to make this happen.
- jetsnation


To me, some of the forwards actually seem to be trying to get out of the way, not getting in the goalies eyes.

Kind of funny (sad) as actually the more Lowry preaches this the more they stay the same. Guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make then drink!
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 12:01 PM ET
To me, some of the forwards actually seem to be trying to get out of the way, not getting in the goalies eyes.

Kind of funny (sad) as actually the more Lowry preaches this the more they stay the same. Guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make then drink!

- grahamzky


to me i think Lowry's emphasis on getting to the net is just highlighting how bad the issue had become. This is a far cry from the determined and committed crew that got the team into the 2015 playoffs, we just don't score those kind of goals anymore. The NHL game changed and the Jets changed too much toward a soft area game.

does anyone else see that Helly is playing differently than his Vezina year? He doesn't look as calm (big/boring were the buzzwords to describe his old game). More athleticism and less positional soundness, overplaying more pucks. He has been good but not great as he had been.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 21 @ 12:16 PM ET
Four goals by Nashville tonight were weird bounces of skates of lucky deflections. Definitely, Nashville outplayed the Jets in the first and played a good game overall but once again this puck luck thing is not going our way. Coach Lowry is 100% correct when he says we need more net-front presence. I'm still not seeing this from the Jets. They seem to be ignoring this advice OR maybe we just don't have the right players to make this happen.
- jetsnation

he is over playing his son, no question, i like Adam but he should not be on PP or at the end of the game with the goalie pulled when we need a goal. and why does he hate Svech or did Svech get hurt again?

also Shief's lack of effort was on full display for the first 2 periods.

and stanley negating the power play in the first with a useless fight in which he lost, was not the start we needed.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 1:41 PM ET
he is over playing his son, no question, i like Adam but he should not be on PP or at the end of the game with the goalie pulled when we need a goal. and why does he hate Svech or did Svech get hurt again?

also Shief's lack of effort was on full display for the first 2 periods.

and stanley negating the power play in the first with a useless fight in which he lost, was not the start we needed.

- Ross77


that was a good fight to take, it was a mean, dirty, reckless hit by Jeaneau, early in the game on the road. The kid is making a reputation for himself and dropped the mitts first - i have no idea how Stanley ends up with an instigator, it was a blown call. Win or loss doesn't really matter in a fight like that and usually doesn't matter unless you are challenging someone at center ice or in front of the benches.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 1:45 PM ET
Four goals by Nashville tonight were weird bounces of skates of lucky deflections. Definitely, Nashville outplayed the Jets in the first and played a good game overall but once again this puck luck thing is not going our way. Coach Lowry is 100% correct when he says we need more net-front presence. I'm still not seeing this from the Jets. They seem to be ignoring this advice OR maybe we just don't have the right players to make this happen.
- jetsnation


maybe we need another goal like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmEtDX41qSM&t=307s

JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 21 @ 7:59 PM ET
Four goals by Nashville tonight were weird bounces of skates of lucky deflections. Definitely, Nashville outplayed the Jets in the first and played a good game overall but once again this puck luck thing is not going our way. Coach Lowry is 100% correct when he says we need more net-front presence. I'm still not seeing this from the Jets. They seem to be ignoring this advice OR maybe we just don't have the right players to make this happen.
- jetsnation


With all due respect chalking that loss up to puck luck or the lack thereof is a really lame excuse, the Jets just aren't good enough and have been overhyped for awhile.
Dubois' goal was a result of an attempted pass bouncing off of the Preds dman past Sarros, we really can't be making excuses cause the Jets just didn't get three or four more of those bounces.

I mean deflections through screens are a part of the game and has been forever, the Jets just don't have enough 'go to the net/greasy goal' types in their top 6 and their bottom six contributes next to nothing, this roster needs a big overhaul imo.

JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 21 @ 8:05 PM ET
To me, some of the forwards actually seem to be trying to get out of the way, not getting in the goalies eyes.

Kind of funny (sad) as actually the more Lowry preaches this the more they stay the same. Guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make then drink!

- grahamzky


When the coach's kid who's one of the biggest stonehands in the league is on the powerplay doesn't screen the goalie but instead stands off to the side and tries to deflect shots while giving the goalie a clear view of the puck the message clearly isn't sinking in.. 🤣
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 21 @ 8:21 PM ET
to me i think Lowry's emphasis on getting to the net is just highlighting how bad the issue had become. This is a far cry from the determined and committed crew that got the team into the 2015 playoffs, we just don't score those kind of goals anymore. The NHL game changed and the Jets changed too much toward a soft area game.

does anyone else see that Helly is playing differently than his Vezina year? He doesn't look as calm (big/boring were the buzzwords to describe his old game). More athleticism and less positional soundness, overplaying more pucks. He has been good but not great as he had been.

- 2.0


Yeah I think you're right, the game has changed to more skill and less emphasis on size but the Jets went too far in that direction, at some point someone just needs to go to the damn net!

I don't see any difference in Hellys play or style, same old Helly.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 21 @ 9:20 PM ET
When the coach's kid who's one of the biggest stonehands in the league is on the powerplay doesn't screen the goalie but instead stands off to the side and tries to deflect shots while giving the goalie a clear view of the puck the message clearly isn't sinking in.. 🤣
- JetFuel


Exactly! "Go to the net" - and Lowry tries his damnest to GET OUT OF THE ROAD!!! And the coaches preaches ACCOUNTABILITY!

I don't get it!
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 21 @ 10:29 PM ET
Yes, The Jets have become a "soft" team. It doesn't seem to cut it anymore. The top four teams in the NHL will outscore the Jets on most nights by several goals. I'm talking Florida, Carolina, TB, and Colorado. However, if you look at the overall standings you'll find the Pens in 6th place. Here is their roster....

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...central/team.php?team=PIT

There is no real superstar on this roster as even Crosby has entered the downside of his career. It's just a group of hard-nosed well-coached players who show up every night and get a lot of dirty goals. The Blues play a similar style . These two teams are a good case study for what the Jets are missing.






2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 22 @ 12:46 AM ET
Yes, The Jets have become a "soft" team. It doesn't seem to cut it anymore. The top four teams in the NHL will outscore the Jets on most nights by several goals. I'm talking Florida, Carolina, TB, and Colorado. However, if you look at the overall standings you'll find the Pens in 6th place. Here is their roster....

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...central/team.php?team=PIT

There is no real superstar on this roster as even Crosby has entered the downside of his career. It's just a group of hard-nosed well-coached players who show up every night and get a lot of dirty goals. The Blues play a similar style . These two teams are a good case study for what the Jets are missing.







- jetsnation


Seems to be an appropriate time to remember a guy who played like that, RIP Clark Gillies, I was a fan of yours before I became a Jets fan.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Jan 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
Yeah I think you're right, the game has changed to more skill and less emphasis on size but the Jets went too far in that direction, at some point someone just needs to go to the damn net!

I don't see any difference in Hellys play or style, same old Helly.

- JetFuel


Yes, I think you are both right on this. You have to get some dirty goals to beat these goalies and I like PLDs style of going to the net for the greasy goals.

Need a Gallagher type of player for going into the net area hacking and wacking creating havoc in tight.

It seems that teams that play that high pace tempo can get the Jets on their heels and I wonder if this team would be able to consistent play at a high pace, like say a Colorado. Do they even have the right players for that style?