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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:11 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits and Musings: Tortorella, Captaincy, Coach-Media Relationship
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jun 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
Scott Laughton 🤮

There is no leader on this roster
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:37 AM ET
Scott Laughton 🤮

There is no leader on this roster

- Fopa21


Wrong. But the puke emoji really added a lot to the discussion.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The rebuild begins....again., PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:42 AM ET
I still find it odd that one of the biggest conversations about the Flyers now is about their heart, passion, leadership and work ethic....

This was clearly an issue easily 5-6 years ago and has been since, I guess denial is strong in this organization. I know I have been saying this for a long time and I know I have seen others see it too. So I feel like all this talk is just ANOTHER facade and we will be talking about it again this time next year as well.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The rebuild begins....again., PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:43 AM ET
Wrong. But the puke emoji really added a lot to the discussion.
- bmeltzer


I think Laughton would be the best choice the Flyers have. Plus I think losing Raffl took a hit on the leadership group.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Welcome to Philadelphia Coach Tortilla
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Coots or Laughton or Hayes or Cam... is it really gonna make a difference at the end of the day? Just pick somebody and move on, no need to over-analyze.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 10:52 AM ET
Coots or Laughton or Hayes or Cam... is it really gonna make a difference at the end of the day? Just pick somebody and move on, no need to over-analyze.
- Tomahawk

No issue with any of those guys with the exception of Hayes. The captain should not be some goofball, all three of the other guys take pride in their effort on the ice and play an honest game. Hayes does some real dumb stuff out there, don’t need him wearing the C.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:58 AM ET
Coots or Laughton or Hayes or Cam... is it really gonna make a difference at the end of the day? Just pick somebody and move on, no need to over-analyze.
- Tomahawk


It's about a leadership group, not exclusively the C. So who has the C and who the alternates are doesn't make a huge difference. That said, there is a message sent by who wears the C and why.

I gave the Jason Smith example. Coming off the disaster that was 2006-07, with a need to restore a more competitive personality as a team, Smith was a good choice as captain even though he was only here for one season.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
It would be appropriate if the NHL's 31st best team at scoring goals named a captain with a career high of 32 points. Laughton is a solid 3rd liner and a good guy by all accounts, but he would be the least skilled captain in the entire league.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:06 AM ET
No issue with any of those guys with the exception of Hayes. The captain should not be some goofball, all three of the other guys take pride in their effort on the ice and play an honest game. Hayes does some real dumb stuff out there, don’t need him wearing the C.
- ClaudeFather

agree 100%.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
It's about a leadership group, not exclusively the C. So who has the C and who the alternates are doesn't make a huge difference. That said, there is a message sent by who wears the C and why.

I gave the Jason Smith example. Coming off the disaster that was 2006-07, with a need to restore a more competitive personality as a team, Smith was a good choice as captain even though he was only here for one season.

- bmeltzer


I’d like to see Coot’s…
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The rebuild begins....again., PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
It would be appropriate if the NHL's 31st best team at scoring goals named a captain with a career high of 32 points. Laughton is a solid 3rd liner and a good guy by all accounts, but he would be the least skilled captain in the entire league.
- Feanor


Maybe the Flyers should have a team skill competition to find a new captain because that will definitely find the best for the role.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Welcome to Philadelphia Coach Tortilla
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
It's about a leadership group, not exclusively the C. So who has the C and who the alternates are doesn't make a huge difference. That said, there is a message sent by who wears the C and why.

I gave the Jason Smith example. Coming off the disaster that was 2006-07, with a need to restore a more competitive personality as a team, Smith was a good choice as captain even though he was only here for one season.

- bmeltzer


Torts should just name himself the captain lol. That would send a message.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 22 @ 11:09 AM ET
Well York and Frost were 1st picks, those other 2 were not. Tippet also a 1st. So they should have higher potential.

Rather acquire someone from the outside be the Captain. Nothing these leftover slugs can do or say at this time that will be any different than the previous x amount of years. Step right up Foligno brothers......
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Jun 22 @ 11:09 AM ET
It would be appropriate if the NHL's 31st best team at scoring goals named a captain with a career high of 32 points. Laughton is a solid 3rd liner and a good guy by all accounts, but he would be the least skilled captain in the entire league.
- Feanor


It's not about points. It's about leadership. The Blackhawks had much higher scorers than Dirk Graham but he was a fine captain. Neither Tim Kerr nor Brian Propp were better suited for the Flyers captaincy than Dave Poulin.
backfire
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lancaster, PA
Joined: 08.07.2018

Jun 22 @ 11:09 AM ET
The Hakstol incident getting huffy with the reporter had to be over Jori Lehtera. Looked at the (long) roster on 2006-2007 and Petr Nedved strikes me as the kind of guy to laugh after a big loss.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jun 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
It's about a leadership group, not exclusively the C. So who has the C and who the alternates are doesn't make a huge difference. That said, there is a message sent by who wears the C and why.

I gave the Jason Smith example. Coming off the disaster that was 2006-07, with a need to restore a more competitive personality as a team, Smith was a good choice as captain even though he was only here for one season.

- bmeltzer


Right now, I dont give a rat's ass about the C, the letters im most concerned with are G and M
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:12 AM ET
It would be appropriate if the NHL's 31st best team at scoring goals named a captain with a career high of 32 points. Laughton is a solid 3rd liner and a good guy by all accounts, but he would be the least skilled captain in the entire league.
- Feanor


These are absolutely different skill sets, that are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive.

Flyers were also at the end of the ranking for GAA. Should we look for captaincy among defensemen and goalies?
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 22 @ 11:13 AM ET
Right now, I dont give a rat's ass about the C, the letters im most concerned with are G and M
- THE BLACK HAND

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:14 AM ET
These are absolutely different skill sets, that are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive.

Flyers were also at the end of the ranking for GAA. Should we look for captaincy among defensemen and goalies?

- missingmike


Since points and skill apparently don't matter and it's fine for the Flyers to have the least skilled captain in the entire league, why not make Nick Seeler captain? According to Torts, the Flyers brass are all super impressed with his fight against Deslauriers.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 22 @ 11:19 AM ET
It's not about points. It's about leadership. The Blackhawks had much higher scorers than Dirk Graham but he was a fine captain. Neither Tim Kerr nor Brian Propp were better suited for the Flyers captaincy than Dave Poulin.
- bmeltzer


Laughton does seem to have a good relationship with media…he also has a maturity about him that eludes a lot of pro athletes. He’s well respected by his team mates and has become a good pro. He might be C pick because I don’t think it would effect his play. Coots, my choice, may be impacted by the weight of the “C”. Some guys can handle it …some can’t. You don’t know until it happens.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
Since points and skill apparently don't matter and it's fine for the Flyers to have the least skilled captain in the entire league, why not make Nick Seeler captain? According to Torts, the Flyers brass are all super impressed with his fight against Deslauriers.
- Feanor

Mind boggling to even bring that up. Tells me Seeler may very well be the #6 dman. Probably go after Deslauriers as well.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:21 AM ET
It's not about points. It's about leadership. The Blackhawks had much higher scorers than Dirk Graham but he was a fine captain. Neither Tim Kerr nor Brian Propp were better suited for the Flyers captaincy than Dave Poulin.
- bmeltzer


In the five full seasons Poulin was captain, he was 3rd on the team in scoring with 299 P in 364 games.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50

In Laughton's past four seasons where he has been a 3rd liner, he is 7th in scoring with 109 P in 251 games. There's a huge gap between Laughton and Poulin as players.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50

cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: VA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jun 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
There was some speculation among this group that TK and Provy will not do well under Torts. Who can say? They might thrive with more accountability and a strong coach and leadership group. Provy hasn't seemed to respond well to criticism in public, but who knows.

I think the C and the leadership group will be key. Adding a few pieces along the way is a must.

Is it telling that TK and Provy were NOT mentioned as candidates for the C?

Big trade coming.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:27 AM ET
The Hakstol incident getting huffy with the reporter had to be over Jori Lehtera. Looked at the (long) roster on 2006-2007 and Petr Nedved strikes me as the kind of guy to laugh after a big loss.
- backfire


It was over Val Filppula.... but which player it was isn't really relevant to the blog. It was really about a coach overreacting to being pressed in the moment and then apologizing the next day.

Gagne didn't name names but I think Nedved had already been dispatched by that point. Unfortunately, there were multiple players with the wrong attitude... for different reasons Mike, Mike York, Kyle Calder and Geoff Sanderson all fit the description of players who had to be moved out.

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