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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 10:17 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Brian Burke needs to remember who he is Brian Burke needs to remember who he is
Dr Blob
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 09.30.2018

Jun 30 @ 10:31 AM ET
Just don’t understand why this is taking so long. Pens have little choice if they plan to remain competitive. Pay them.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 30 @ 10:35 AM ET
"I’m convinced the majority of anti-Malkin discussions are led by Steeler fans who start watching a few games here and there after football season is over. People who lack the ability to have nuanced hockey discussion and who are manipulated by those who take advantage of the lowest common denominator of the fanbase. It has been this way for years and coming to a head now because of the contract situation."

Nah. It's led by people who listen to Mark Madden on 105.9 and believe his dog poop opinions as gospel. I guess that goes into that "manipulated" sentence, since Madden has been salty for years that Geno never comes on his show.
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Jun 30 @ 10:38 AM ET
I think all fans can agree these contracts should have been signed last offseason. I think we all want to see both Letang and Malkin resigned as well. It seems Malkin is walking back from his "I'm a pretty rich guy" comments and may not be looking to take that big of a payout. Letang of course wants a 5 year deal and has for some time. I think Hex should tell him 5 years and 8 million. I know he wants more than 8 million per season, but I could see Letang taking 5x8 to stay. Both players were told Hex's plan and were offered discounted deals from rumors to make his plan work (I wonder if that means bringing in a few superstar players to put us over the top. I do know that Hex better come up with a new plan and resign one or both ASAP. So the rest can be figured out. I still hold to my gut and multiple reports with Letang resigning and Malkin walking. After re-read the Athletic it was mentioned Trocheck and Miller. I wonder if Hex is thinking of building a 2nd line with them both? I have this feeling he is gonna try to sign Giroux due to his past history with him. I guess only time will tell.
pier6687
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.28.2019

Jun 30 @ 10:49 AM ET
If Letang is asking for $10M x 5 and Malkin $8M x 4, I'm glad this is taking a bit. I want both players back of course, but not at a huge price tag. The point is that we simply don't know what the conversations have been and we'd all like to see this get done, but RW needs to quit b1+ching about it. And Burke doesn't have the best public persona, so I'm OK with him doing things behind the scenes - but this doesn't necessarily means he not doing anything or forgot who he is... RW sucks!
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 30 @ 10:51 AM ET
Ryan Wilson needs to remember who he is
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Jun 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
If Letang is asking for $10M x 5 and Malkin $8M x 4, I'm glad this is taking a bit. I want both players back of course, but not at a huge price tag. The point is that we simply don't know what the conversations have been and we'd all like to see this get done, but RW needs to quit b1+ching about it. And Burke doesn't have the best public persona, so I'm OK with him doing things behind the scenes - but this doesn't necessarily means he not doing anything or forgot who he is... RW sucks!
- pier6687


You'd definitely think that if the rumors of Geno wanting 3 more years at around 7 were true it'd be done. Fact is, like you said, we have no idea what he's really asking for.

It does makes sense to sign Letang first, then work on Geno. Maybe that's what's holding the whole thing up?

What was the speculation around what Tanger was asking for?
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Jun 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
Ryan Wilson needs to remember who he is
- Feds91Stammer


Do you member?
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 30 @ 11:01 AM ET
Ryan Wilson needs to remember who he is
- Feds91Stammer

Has anyone ever seen Ryan Wilson and Jesus Christ in the same room?
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Jun 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
You'd definitely think that if the rumors of Geno wanting 3 more years at around 7 were true it'd be done. Fact is, like you said, we have no idea what he's really asking for.

It does makes sense to sign Letang first, then work on Geno. Maybe that's what's holding the whole thing up?

What was the speculation around what Tanger was asking for?

- Thorny87


They did not really try to sign Malkin yet, if you read the blog. They are trying to sign Letang first. And so far, they have not been able to do so.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
Ryan Wilson needs to remember who he is
- Feds91Stammer


Buffalo Boy
pier6687
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.28.2019

Jun 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
You'd definitely think that if the rumors of Geno wanting 3 more years at around 7 were true it'd be done. Fact is, like you said, we have no idea what he's really asking for.

It does makes sense to sign Letang first, then work on Geno. Maybe that's what's holding the whole thing up?

What was the speculation around what Tanger was asking for?

- Thorny87



The only speculation that I've seen is that Letang and the Pens are about $1.25M+ apart and that he is looking for 4 or 5 years. But who knows... I agree with the other post that $8M x 5 is fair. As long as it's not front loaded it would limit the risk to the Pens if he were to get injured and retire.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 30 @ 11:11 AM ET
Right now you have $23.2M in cap space. If you trade Zucker (with $2M withheld) and one of Dumo or Pettersson, you get that number closer to $30M.

Right now, you have a first line and fourth line signed. you have no one on your second line signed and you have carter and McGinn signed that could be your third line (an ugly 3rd line though).

On defense, you technically have 6 NHL defensemen, although I think we can all agree the right side without Letang would be ugly.

So you have the following holes:

2C
2LW
2RW
3LW/RW
Top 4 RD

I see no scenario where not signing Malkin or Letang puts us in a better position to fill these holes. Heinen is a RFA so you could get him back for a reasonable price. I dont want Kapanen back, I'd rather trade him in a hockey trade for a similar player/winger. I dont love Rodrigues, but if you can get him back cheap enough, that's fine.

for me, the second line has to be constructed better. Malkin's stats suffered because he played with a bunch of scrubs who couldnt finish their goals. Malkin needs a scorer on his line (or any 2nd line center we sign).

I would love to bring Rakell back, but the fact no one has said anything about him makes me thing that he was a rental and will likely return to ANA.
pier6687
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.28.2019

Jun 30 @ 11:21 AM ET
I know this is wishful thinking, but I would love to bring in Chychrun - maybe Petts, 1st, POJ (whatever). They guy is a steel at that cap hit! If we could dump Zucker and Dumo we would have enough to keep Letang, Malkin and have enough to bring in Giroux. I like idea of Giroux on the PP on the right side - like when we had Kessel to balance things out there.

One can dream...
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 30 @ 11:25 AM ET
I know this is wishful thinking, but I would love to bring in Chychrun - maybe Petts, 1st, POJ (whatever). They guy is a steel at that cap hit! If we could dump Zucker and Dumo we would have enough to keep Letang, Malkin and have enough to bring in Giroux. I like idea of Giroux on the PP on the right side - like when we had Kessel to balance things out there.

One can dream...

- pier6687

Your Chychrun idea would be a waste of assets. Other than him being absolutely overrated you are spending assets to fill a spot that you already have a surplus of NHL talent at.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jun 30 @ 11:31 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Brian Burke needs to remember who he is
Brian Burke needs to remember who he is

- Ryan_Wilson


Cue those who think the Penguins should of liquidated their aging core while there was still time.

Like someone in the above post said, if they don't sign both, Pens might be in a world of hurt.

batteryjackson
New York Islanders
Location: MEDICINE HAT MEDICINE PUSHERS, AB
Joined: 09.30.2014

Jun 30 @ 11:35 AM ET
i'm old enough to remember when mark madden was a heel in WCW
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 30 @ 11:40 AM ET
i'm old enough to remember when mark madden was a heel in WCW
- batteryjackson


Dude is a clown.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 11:41 AM ET
To the just pay the guy people.
Letang is probably asking for 5 years 9-9.5 and that number is a discount.
The Canadiens are going to offer at least that and there will also be endorsement deals that will come along with being a French Canadian playing in Montreal. Those are additional millions he would not be getting staying in Pittsburgh.

Pens should sign Malkin before he gets insulted and refuses to sign out of principle and goes to Florida.
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jun 30 @ 11:47 AM ET
To the just pay the guy people.
Letang is probably asking for 5 years 9-9.5 and that number is a discount.
The Canadiens are going to offer at least that and there will also be endorsement deals that will come along with being a French Canadian playing in Montreal. Those are additional millions he would not be getting staying in Pittsburgh.

Pens should sign Malkin before he gets insulted and refuses to sign out of principle and goes to Florida.

- stackthepads


There will also be a lot more taxes for him to pay in Canada!
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 30 @ 11:48 AM ET
To the just pay the guy people.
Letang is probably asking for 5 years 9-9.5 and that number is a discount.
The Canadiens are going to offer at least that and there will also be endorsement deals that will come along with being a French Canadian playing in Montreal. Those are additional millions he would not be getting staying in Pittsburgh.

Pens should sign Malkin before he gets insulted and refuses to sign out of principle and goes to Florida.

- stackthepads

I think people are really overestimating the potential Letang goes to Montreal.

1) Montreal is not a contender. They arent where they need to be in the cycle to attract a guy like Letang who says he wants to win.

2) Not every French Canadian wants to play in Montreal. Lecavalier is probably the best example. Expecting Letang to want to deal with the media and pressure that comes with playing in Montreal doesnt make me think Montreal is his ideal landing spot.

Not to mention Quebec taxes are some of the highest in North America. If Pittsburgh offers what Montreal offers, Letang would make more money in Pittsburgh.

It boils down to what Letang wants. Does he want to cash out to the highest bidder? Does he want to stay in Pittsburgh to hit the various accolades he could hit in the next few seasons? Does he want to compete?
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 11:53 AM ET
There will also be a lot more taxes for him to pay in Canada!
- stevens87


True probably, I don’t know what the Pennsylvania taxes look like. But Quebec definitely has big taxes.

Everyone is also overlooking that the new Canadiens GM was Letangs agent.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 30 @ 11:56 AM ET
Buffalo Boy
- j.boyd919


hahahah this was great
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 30 @ 11:57 AM ET
I think people are really overestimating the potential Letang goes to Montreal.

1) Montreal is not a contender. They arent where they need to be in the cycle to attract a guy like Letang who says he wants to win.

2) Not every French Canadian wants to play in Montreal. Lecavalier is probably the best example. Expecting Letang to want to deal with the media and pressure that comes with playing in Montreal doesnt make me think Montreal is his ideal landing spot.

Not to mention Quebec taxes are some of the highest in North America. If Pittsburgh offers what Montreal offers, Letang would make more money in Pittsburgh.

It boils down to what Letang wants. Does he want to cash out to the highest bidder? Does he want to stay in Pittsburgh to hit the various accolades he could hit in the next few seasons? Does he want to compete?

- SuperHenderson13

Montreal also currently has little to no cap space.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 11:59 AM ET
I think people are really overestimating the potential Letang goes to Montreal.

1) Montreal is not a contender. They arent where they need to be in the cycle to attract a guy like Letang who says he wants to win.

2) Not every French Canadian wants to play in Montreal. Lecavalier is probably the best example. Expecting Letang to want to deal with the media and pressure that comes with playing in Montreal doesnt make me think Montreal is his ideal landing spot.

Not to mention Quebec taxes are some of the highest in North America. If Pittsburgh offers what Montreal offers, Letang would make more money in Pittsburgh.

It boils down to what Letang wants. Does he want to cash out to the highest bidder? Does he want to stay in Pittsburgh to hit the various accolades he could hit in the next few seasons? Does he want to compete?

- SuperHenderson13


Montreal went to the cup finals last year and the Pens haven’t left the first round since 2018.
Now don’t construe that as me thinking the Canadiens are contenders cause they aren’t. But neither are the Pens.

Taxes, probably, but there is no way he makes more in Pittsburgh than he makes in Montreal. If he wants money Montreal (team and city) will pay him.

As for the other stuff, yeah that’s all what Letang wants. He will be a hero in Montreal, likely their next captain if he signs.

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