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Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 10:51 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Fletcher and Flahr Talk Draft
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 10:55 AM ET
So basically

Ellis is done
They might or might not trade 5OA
Farabee is doubtful for the opener

They could have saved everyone a lot of time and just issued a one paragraph press release.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
So Joel Farabee, a professional athlete, was warming up with light bench presses and injured his neck bad enough for surgery?

Not buying that it isn't connected to anything else.
Tomahawk
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Jun 30 @ 11:18 AM ET
Don't sleep on Frank Nazar. Possibly the Barzal of this draft.
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 11:45 AM ET
Don't sleep on Frank Nazar. Possibly the Barzal of this draft.
- Tomahawk


He is in the step up/trade down section of the Draft preview. Quite possibly the best pure speedster in this year's Draft.

Grant looooooves Noah Östlund to the point that he ranked him 2nd in the Draft class! I think that's excessive but Östlund looked phenomenal at the U18s, both offensively and as an all-around player.

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 30 @ 11:50 AM ET
Bill do you see any scenario where the Flyers trade a roster player, and maybe some of their lessor prospects to get another pick in the 1st round or early 2nd round of this year's draft?
Tomahawk
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Jun 30 @ 12:00 PM ET
He is in the step up/trade down section of the Draft preview. Quite possibly the best pure speedster in this year's Draft.

Grant looooooves Noah Östlund to the point that he ranked him 2nd in the Draft class! I think that's excessive but Östlund looked phenomenal at the U18s, both offensively and as an all-around player.

- bmeltzer



Aside from speed, Nazar just does a lot of things that are translatable to the next level. Like he's super deceptive, quickly reads defenders body/skate position and attacks them where they're most prone. Competitive on pucks, really good moving thru the NZ, good on and off puck in the ozone. He's really hard to cover because he's so smart and manipulates defenders so easily.

Östlund is another good one. That entire line was bananas at the U18.
hello it's me 2050
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Jun 30 @ 12:11 PM ET
Aside from speed, Nazar just does a lot of things that are translatable to the next level. Like he's super deceptive, quickly reads defenders body/skate position and attacks them where they're most prone. Competitive on pucks, really good moving thru the NZ, good on and off puck in the ozone. He's really hard to cover because he's so smart and manipulates defenders so easily.

Östlund is another good one. That entire line was bananas at the U18.

- Tomahawk

Savoie and Nazar both in orange and black....

I like Isaac Howard and the Rutger back half of the 1st rd.

Would Devin Kaplan be of interest to the FLyers in the 3rd
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 12:17 PM ET
Savoie and Nazar both in orange and black....

I like Isaac Howard and the Rutger back half of the 1st rd.

Would Devin Kaplan be of interest to the FLyers in the 3rd

- hello it's me 2050


I like Jonathan Lekkerimaki.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 12:18 PM ET
Question for Bill:

Do you know if the team does end of season scans on players like Farabee who have had injury issues? An MRI of his shoulder/back would have shown if there were any disc issues going into the offseason.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 12:19 PM ET

Bill, I thought that the report was that Joel had disc replacement surgery, like Eichel, not the fusion.
hello it's me 2050
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Jun 30 @ 12:20 PM ET
“Joel Farabee's neck injury that led to cervical disc fusion surgery“

Bill, I thought that the report was that Joel had disc replacement surgery, like Eichel, not the fusion.

- NC Flyers Fan

so a light bench press leads to neck surgery.......
hereticpride
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 30 @ 12:35 PM ET
Cutter Gaither at 5

There isn’t a mock in the world that has him going top 12. Would be such a Flyers move.

There is no way you justify that pick over the other names available, whether you’re going BPA or by need.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
Cutter Gaither at 5

There isn’t a mock in the world that has him going top 12. Would be such a Flyers move.

There is no way you justify that pick over the other names available, whether you’re going BPA or by need.

- hereticpride



Huh, every mock i have seen he is top ten, usually between 5-8
hello it's me 2050
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Jun 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
Cutter Gaither at 5

There isn’t a mock in the world that has him going top 12. Would be such a Flyers move.

There is no way you justify that pick over the other names available, whether you’re going BPA or by need.

- hereticpride

Geekie is more flyer esque
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 12:41 PM ET
so a light bench press leads to neck surgery.......
- hello it's me 2050


from what I've read it seems like most disk damage (degenerative disk disease), like his, is caused by repeated injuries. The disk wall is torn by an injury . It heals but but does not as strong as before it was damaged. After repeated injury and healing the disk wall is weakend to the point that fluid leaks out of the center of the disk. The disk no longer acts as a good shock absorber and you get pain. He obviously had two injuries near that area last season. I imagine it was just a matter of time before he started having pain.
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
Cutter Gaither at 5

There isn’t a mock in the world that has him going top 12. Would be such a Flyers move.

There is no way you justify that pick over the other names available, whether you’re going BPA or by need.

- hereticpride


Is that a fact? McKenzie ranks him 5th. Button has him 7th. And the buzz from NHL scouts I know is that the Flyers trade down from 5th, he'll more likely than not be off the board. Which is fine if their BPA is someone else.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 12:47 PM ET
Cutter Gaither at 5

There isn’t a mock in the world that has him going top 12. Would be such a Flyers move.

There is no way you justify that pick over the other names available, whether you’re going BPA or by need.

- hereticpride

ug it really hurts that they don't have a 2nd and they're already taking about reach picks
hello it's me 2050
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Jun 30 @ 12:49 PM ET
Is that a fact? McKenzie ranks him 5th. Button has him 7th. And the buzz from NHL scouts I know is that the Flyers trade down from 5th, he'll more likely than not be off the board. Which is fine if their BPA is someone else.
- bmeltzer

If the trade down who is the more likely team they trade with in your opinion?
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 12:50 PM ET
“Joel Farabee's neck injury that led to cervical disc fusion surgery“

Bill, I thought that the report was that Joel had disc replacement surgery, like Eichel, not the fusion.

- NC Flyers Fan


Yes, replacement. The Eichel surgery.
hello it's me 2050
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Jun 30 @ 12:50 PM ET
from what I've read it seems like most disk damage (degenerative disk disease), like his, is caused by repeated injuries. The disk wall is torn by an injury . It heals but but does not as strong as before it was damaged. After repeated injury and healing the disk wall is weakend to the point that fluid leaks out of the center of the disk. The disk no longer acts as a good shock absorber and you get pain. He obviously had two injuries near that area last season. I imagine it was just a matter of time before he started having pain.
- Dkos

Another Ronald medical reject......
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 12:50 PM ET
Bill do you see any scenario where the Flyers trade a roster player, and maybe some of their lessor prospects to get another pick in the 1st round or early 2nd round of this year's draft?
- jd250


Not impossible but this is a pretty meh draft.
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 12:51 PM ET
Geekie is more flyer esque
- hello it's me 2050


Not at 5.
Bill Meltzer
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Jun 30 @ 12:56 PM ET
ug it really hurts that they don't have a 2nd and they're already taking about reach picks
- 2Real


He isn't a reach. People who have been NHL hockey ops executives (such as Button), have deep leaguewide connections and get inside info on proprietary rankings (McKenzie) and have been employed as amateur scouts (among whom I have multiple contacts) also put him in that range.

Doesn't mean the Flyers definitely take him. But he's not a reach.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 30 @ 1:00 PM ET
Bill,

What's the read on Brad Lambert. In the past he was talked about as maybe just up there at the top with Wright. Did he struggle that bad? He seems like he has all the tools.
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