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Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Jul 26 @ 11:07 AM ET
Jacob Billington: Dubois hasn't asked for a trade, high hopes for Jets next season
Tee56
Joined: 10.02.2017

Jul 26 @ 11:25 AM ET

Do you want this around? Forget his ability for a moment, he has an agenda and he’s not going to stop until it’s done. Lose him now or later, i would vote now.



John Tonelli for HOF
DarthProbert
Joined: 06.29.2016

Jul 26 @ 11:34 AM ET
On the one hand, nobody wants to play for a team (mis)managed by Chevy. That said, not a fan of how players are doing this (I'll decide where I'll sign) to essentially become UFAs years early. Dubois' UFA status is already a factor, meanwhile the guy taken one pick later is still getting talked about for his "potential".
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Jul 26 @ 12:09 PM ET
If PLD isn't signed long term by the trade deadline the Jets have to trade him. At very least trade him at the draft as he might be doing a Gaudreau and will leave for greener pastures in 2 years.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jul 26 @ 12:46 PM ET
Reality at this point is that there is not much left that Chevy can do. Right now he is sitting on about a projected 5.5 M in extra cap space. I'd bet very few UFA's wanted to sign in Winnipeg because of location, the off season talk of guys like Scheifele, Dubios, Wheeler, etc all possibly being gone, and the coaching changes. Who wants to walk into what appeared to be a hot mess like that ?

I'd bet Kadri is not an option because he doesn't want to come to the Peg. Klingberg is not an option because we are overloaded on D. So the only real option left for Chevy is a trade. There are a few teams that are actually under the league minimum in cap space. Anaheim and Arizona. A Wheeler trade case could be made for those teams but then Chevy is suddenly left with $13.5 M in cap space with no where to spend it. All the expensive talent is now gone with the exception of maybe picking up a player from teams over the cap like TB , Florida, etc. We already have the remaining cap to do that so I don't foresee much movement at all with the exception of maybe one Dman being traded away.

That $5.5 M cap space will have the buying power of nearly $8 MM come the trade deadline. There is a good list of 2023 UFA's that might find themselves on the trade block. Guys like Pastrnak, O'Reilly, Pacioretty, Larkin , Meier, etc. Chevy's best move might be to just wait and see where the Jets stand as we approach the trade deadline.

Thats my two cents. We'd for sure have a better team if it wasn't located in Winnipeg
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:23 PM ET
If PLD isn't signed long term by the trade deadline the Jets have to trade him. At very least trade him at the draft as he might be doing a Gaudreau and will leave for greener pastures in 2 years.
- islansjet

Tkachuk didn't ask for a trade either but was clear he wouldn't sign long term, splitting hairs I know but its clear PLD doesn't want to be there. I hope Cheveldayoff has his phone handy 24/7...
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jul 26 @ 1:35 PM ET
Jacob Billington: Dubois hasn't asked for a trade, high hopes for Jets next season
- Jacob Billington


After watching that abortion of a press conference , pretty sure he wanted out
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jul 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
PLD won’t be here in two years, but this whole Montreal or nothing is BS. Just like everyone assumed Tkachuk only wanted to go to st Luis, the allure of warmer weather places and no tax states is pretty huge.
Regardless
Shief
PLD
Helle
All have to moved to highest biders this trade deadline or during the year. We should have 3 extra first round picks next year plus some good young talent prospects by end of the year.

Going all in this year will set this franchise back 5 unnecessary years
mcjags
New Jersey Devils
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 06.12.2007

Jul 26 @ 8:44 PM ET
No matter what PLD says, I'm pretty sure he won't be here in 2 years. As long as Colorado doesn't re-sign Kadri, I could see them making a play for him closer to the TDL.
Jackie Daytona
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jul 26 @ 9:01 PM ET
Chevy, Brisson and PLD are all aware of two important, but rarely discussed concerns:

1. PLD's career play and facets clearly demonstrate he is a 2C (he would even slot 3C on a couple of teams last year)
2. Despite this, it is likely a desperate organization will pay him 1C money if he becomes a UFA in 2 years.

With this in mind, it would have been idiotic for Chevy to offer 1C money on a long-term deal, and it would have been foolish for PLD to sign for less. PLD signing the Qualifying Offer benefits all parties. This fair value deal brings PLD one year closer to his big payday and it offers Chevy and Jets management ample time to find a favorable trading partner.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 26 @ 9:37 PM ET
PLD won’t be here in two years, but this whole Montreal or nothing is BS. Just like everyone assumed Tkachuk only wanted to go to st Luis, the allure of warmer weather places and no tax states is pretty huge.
Regardless
Shief
PLD
Helle
All have to moved to highest biders this trade deadline or during the year. We should have 3 extra first round picks next year plus some good young talent prospects by end of the year.

Going all in this year will set this franchise back 5 unnecessary years

- Ross77


This franchise has already been set back by poor management!

I learned something through the Covid-19 pandemic and that is I might not be alive in 5 years. I want this team to go all-in every year. The future is never promised, go for it today!
Burnt_juice
Joined: 07.22.2018

Jul 27 @ 11:02 AM ET
I think Chevy approached PLD. “We know you’re trying to play at home, and everyone does. So our leverage for a fair trade isn’t there. Sign your cheap qualifying offer so MTL can manage fitting you into their roster with a lesser move to accommodate it on their end. If we can get value out of a trade, we’ll send you home. But as it stands, you’ve taken away our bargaining power and we need to get it back in order to trade you!”
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jul 27 @ 12:40 PM ET
PLD won’t be here in two years, but this whole Montreal or nothing is BS. Just like everyone assumed Tkachuk only wanted to go to st Luis, the allure of warmer weather places and no tax states is pretty huge.
Regardless
Shief
PLD
Helle
All have to moved to highest biders this trade deadline or during the year. We should have 3 extra first round picks next year plus some good young talent prospects by end of the year.

Going all in this year will set this franchise back 5 unnecessary years

- Ross77


I'm certainly in the camp that PLD needs to be moved at the first opportunity of a fair deal coming back. His value will never be higher than now IMO. I felt even more strongly after watching/hearing his press conference om Monday. His heart is not in Wpg.

I believe he signed for under value, team friendly contract to expedite his moving on to greener pastures.

I would also agree that it is time to move on from Scheifele, and Wheeler as well. Time to rebuild and we can with these pieces who teams will have interest in and should bring a very good return - certainly in Scheif's case.

Hellebuyck? Jets management should have a good take on what Helle is feeling, and I believe he said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. Hard to part with our annual MVP, but if he wants to go - get what you can - and it should be a pile.

Paul Stastny? No thanks! Time to cut bait!

No major moves yet - but the worst thing - the very worst thing - the team can do - is go back into 22/23 with much the same line-up as this past year when little effort was put forth by a number of players. Time for some new blood!!!
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jul 27 @ 7:52 PM ET
Ken Wiebe reports jets made a more lucrative offer to heinen but he chose to take less and stay with the pens.

I know we all love to rip Chevy, me included, but this happens far more than we even hear about it.
novak14
Calgary Flames
Location: MN
Joined: 09.06.2012

Jul 27 @ 8:35 PM ET
What exactly are the Jets? I never if they're going to be good or not every year.
justsaying
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jul 27 @ 8:46 PM ET
Chevy has the toughest GM job in the NHL. He is often gets ripped by outsiders who speculate what goes on behind closed doors. Criticizing things they know little about. Fun to do, and many of us do it, myself included, but talking when only half the story is known is less than compelling.

Trades are fun to talk about but again, it's outsiders exchanging names without knowing the inner details of the teams and players involved. So any criticism is just pure speculation which is fine of course, but talking about something without knowing the facts.

I recall GM Phil Esposito making trades weekly while with the New York Rangers throughout a season. It did not go well and no organization copied the strategy.

I feel Chevy does what he can and produces reasonable results given the market he represents. When he is dismissed there will very likely not be a long list of impressive former GM's applying for his job. It won't be because of Chipman either who has given us the opportunity to even discuss this. Both Chipman and Chevy represent the city very well but I believe may have under estimated how difficult it is to attract players. I appreciate many of the players they have signed including Wheeler, Morrisey and Ehlers to name a few for their commitment to the organization and personal representation of the team and city. It's something we should want.

I think the city should appreciate having the Jets and enjoy the opportunity as much as possible. Unfortunately, Winnipeg as a city is proving to be a tough market to sell to players. It's pretty obvious to see why when compared to almost every other city in the league. (Seeing the large Dollarama sign in the television shots of the city during Jets games is just plain humiliating and idiotic). I have to think it is an inside joke by the network.

I miss the unique chants fans had when the team first arrived home for the second time and the party atmosphere. I'd like to see this return. I also would like to see the Jets remain Winnipeg for a long time.



Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Jul 27 @ 10:21 PM ET
Chevy has the toughest GM job in the NHL. He is often gets ripped by outsiders who speculate what goes on behind closed doors. Criticizing things they know little about. Fun to do, and many of us do it, myself included, but talking when only half the story is known is less than compelling.

Trades are fun to talk about but again, it's outsiders exchanging names without knowing the inner details of the teams and players involved. So any criticism is just pure speculation which is fine of course, but talking about something without knowing the facts.

I recall GM Phil Esposito making trades weekly while with the New York Rangers throughout a season. It did not go well and no organization copied the strategy.

I feel Chevy does what he can and produces reasonable results given the market he represents. When he is dismissed there will very likely not be a long list of impressive former GM's applying for his job. It won't be because of Chipman either who has given us the opportunity to even discuss this. Both Chipman and Chevy represent the city very well but I believe may have under estimated how difficult it is to attract players. I appreciate many of the players they have signed including Wheeler, Morrisey and Ehlers to name a few for their commitment to the organization and personal representation of the team and city. It's something we should want.

I think the city should appreciate having the Jets and enjoy the opportunity as much as possible. Unfortunately, Winnipeg as a city is proving to be a tough market to sell to players. It's pretty obvious to see why when compared to almost every other city in the league. (Seeing the large Dollarama sign in the television shots of the city during Jets games is just plain humiliating and idiotic). I have to think it is an inside joke by the network.

I miss the unique chants fans had when the team first arrived home for the second time and the party atmosphere. I'd like to see this return. I also would like to see the Jets remain Winnipeg for a long time.

- justsaying


I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here. Amazing post.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 28 @ 10:47 AM ET
It seems like Chevy is a perpetual victim. Lets look at some of the narratives that have surrounded him on this board:

He is victimized by a meddling owner.
He is victimized by being in a "crappy" city.
He is unaware of his own cap situation. Cannot tell when some players will be free agents.
He has not drafted well outside of the first round. He is being victimized by poor scouting.
He was victimized by Byfuglien who suddenly left the team. He was unaware of Byfuglien's injury and intent.
He is victimized by his own players that demand they only get traded to certain destinations, this with them having no trade protection.

The poor man. He's consistently being victimized. When I was watching the draft show this year, I was astonished to discover that 21 of the 32 teams had GM's that all had 5 years or less experience. You would think that one of the hockey executives would have recognized Chevy's talent and outbid the Jets for his services if he was that good. Then that way we can all say that we were all victimized by Chevy leaving our franchise.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jul 28 @ 12:36 PM ET
Svechnikov doesn't get re-signed, for reasons unknown.

Could it be that because he is Russian and Manitoba has such a large Ukrainian population ?
Granted, he was inconsistent last season, but could still have been an affordable winger.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jul 28 @ 10:32 PM ET
I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here. Amazing post.
- Jetlag



Also agree. Very good post
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jul 29 @ 1:56 PM ET
Also agree. Very good post
- jetsnation


Fans don't realize that when a trade is made, that often the player(s) were not shopped around to every team. Sometimes, 2 GM's just get a deal done without the other teams being called.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 29 @ 8:23 PM ET
Fans don't realize that when a trade is made, that often the player(s) were not shopped around to every team. Sometimes, 2 GM's just get a deal done without the other teams being called.
- bennythehat


This is a good point! Just like we as people have our preferences with who we like to deal with so do GM’s. The problem is not unique to Winnipeg. In a league where 7 out of 32 teams are north of the border and not one has won a Stanley Cup since 1993 should indicate major problems overall. I read an article a few years back, where it said that something like 55% of NHL revenue is created by the 7 Canadian Teams. All I have to say to those that speak about tax advantages for players playing in the south, its essentially the revenue sharing they take from teams like Winnipeg to play there. They are essentially making their money from franchises like ours. Cannot imagine Florida making much money with 2000 fans per game and a poor television contract.


With that in mind it does seem that most GM’s for Canadian teams are out to lunch.

While I am on my soapbox, I cannot understand how some fans crap over Winnipeg and be Jets fans. I LOVE this City and do not give a rats behind what anyone anywhere thinks about it!
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jul 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
This is a good point! Just like we as people have our preferences with who we like to deal with so do GM’s. The problem is not unique to Winnipeg. In a league where 7 out of 32 teams are north of the border and not one has won a Stanley Cup since 1993 should indicate major problems overall. I read an article a few years back, where it said that something like 55% of NHL revenue is created by the 7 Canadian Teams. All I have to say to those that speak about tax advantages for players playing in the south, its essentially the revenue sharing they take from teams like Winnipeg to play there. They are essentially making their money from franchises like ours. Cannot imagine Florida making much money with 2000 fans per game and a poor television contract.


With that in mind it does seem that most GM’s for Canadian teams are out to lunch.

While I am on my soapbox, I cannot understand how some fans crap over Winnipeg and be Jets fans. I LOVE this City and do not give a rats behind what anyone anywhere thinks about it!

- TheUltimateJet


While the tax advantages are real there's plenty of false things said about it, like I constantly see fans claiming the Jets players pay the second most in taxes in the league after Montreal players, that's not true though it varies per how much a player is making. There's a tax calculator on CapFriendly that shows the breakdown, players pay more in taxes on the California teams than the Jets players do, also all players get paid in US dollars so wouldn’t the guys on Canadian teams be doing a bit better off the exchange rate too? I'm sure these guys have accountants and investors that can hide this money away so they pay the least amount of tax possible.

Also this discussion came from the report the Jets made a more lucrative offer to Heinen but he chose to stay in Pittsburgh for a 1 year/$1M contract, apparently there was lots of interest in him and was given more lucrative offers by other teams as well but he chose to stay in Pittsburgh, there's lots of factors that go into where a guy chooses, its not just the taxes they'll pay.

Gotta think the fact the Jets were a non playoff team and have lots of room issues that'll be known around the league will also be just more reasons for guys not wanting to come here. If this team actually looked like it was trending in the right direction instead of stagnating that'd probably help to convince some players to sign here.