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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Aug 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Raffl, Stewart, TIFH, and More
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 5 @ 1:26 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Raffl, Stewart, TIFH, and More
- bmeltzer


Thanks Bill
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Raffl, Stewart, TIFH, and More
- bmeltzer


Bill,

I thought you have said in the past that Stewart was no longer with the Flyers. Was he let go and brought back? If so, why on both of those questions?
backfire
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lancaster, PA
Joined: 08.07.2018

Aug 5 @ 1:42 PM ET
There was a link to an article on here the other day, where some jackwagon ranked Clarke as 3rd worst GM ever. Most of the trades they listed as bad ones were in this category - meh no real winners or losers. Except the Patrick Sharp trade.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 5 @ 2:07 PM ET
There was a link to an article on here the other day, where some jackwagon ranked Clarke as 3rd worst GM ever. Most of the trades they listed as bad ones were in this category - meh no real winners or losers. Except the Patrick Sharp trade.
- backfire



Clarke acquired LeClair and Desjardins along with Gilbert Dionne for Mark Recchi ….got to give something to get something….LeClair would go on to score 50 plus goals 4 times and Desjardins would become their top d man for the next 5 plus years. To me that would rank as one of the great deals in Flyers history….but ya let’s not mention the Clarke wins or the fact that they were almost always relevant, something they really haven’t been very often over the last decade.
Clarke also always tried to maintain an identity which has really been lacking for the last decade.

That article was a complete joke.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 5 @ 2:17 PM ET
Bill,

I thought you have said in the past that Stewart was no longer with the Flyers. Was he let go and brought back? If so, why on both of those questions?

- corduroy


He had a team ownership venture and took time away to do that.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: This is a nice place. It reminds me of the reform school.
Joined: 09.12.2006

Aug 5 @ 2:32 PM ET
One trade that immediately comes to mind was the Drew Callander & Kevin McCarthy move for Dennis Ververgaert.

We thought it was a steal for us after Dennis had several good scoring years with Vancouver. The next Reggie Leach? Ververgaert sorta flamed out here quickly, though. Callander didn't do much, but McCarthy went on thereafter to have a few surprisingly good years with the 'Nucks.

The Pat Falloon deal was another. We took a shot hoping the second overall pick would take off, and we all know how that ended up. The 1st rounder, the 4th rounder, and Martin Spanhel didn't help SJ at all. But the interesting thing about that deal was that 1st was moved to the Coyotes who drafted Briere.

Mike Comry was another move with high hopes. Those going back to Edmonton - Jeff Woywitka (former Flyers 1st rounder) a 1st round pick (Rob Schremp), and Danny Syvret - also did zip.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 5 @ 2:32 PM ET
I remember there was a lot of excitement when the Flyers acquired Dennis Ververgaert who had some pretty good seasons in Vancouver, for young forward Drew Callender and Dman Kevin McCarthy. He never panned out to much here though and the Flyers let him walk in 1980.

Obviously there was a lot of buzz when the Flyers picked up an aging Paul Coffey for Kevin Haller. But after a mid ice collision with Eric Lindros early in his Flyers tenure, Coffey was never the same.

Those are the 2 that jump out at me.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 5 @ 2:33 PM ET
One trade that immediately comes to mind was the Drew Callander & Kevin McCarthy move for Dennis Ververgaert.

We thought it was a steal for us after Dennis had several good scoring years with Vancouver. The next Reggie Leach? Ververgaert sorta flamed out here quickly, though. Callander didn't do much, but McCarthy went on thereafter to have a few surprisingly good years with the 'Nucks.

The Pat Falloon deal was another. We took a shot hoping the second overall pick would take off, and we all know how that ended up. The 1st rounder, the 4th rounder, and Martin Spanhel didn't help SJ at all. But the interesting thing about that deal was that 1st was moved to the Coyotes who drafted Briere.

Mike Comry was another move with high hopes. Those going back to Edmonton - Jeff Woywitka (former Flyers 1st rounder) a 1st round pick (Rob Schremp), and Danny Syvret - also did zip.

- 77rams


You beat me to it, what I get for not back reading, lol
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: This is a nice place. It reminds me of the reform school.
Joined: 09.12.2006

Aug 5 @ 2:37 PM ET
You beat me to it, what I get for not back reading, lol
- BiggE


Great minds...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 2:45 PM ET
He had a team ownership venture and took time away to do that.
- bmeltzer



Bill, can you give us a rundown on what a "developmental" coach actually does?

Is it more on ice or off ice stuff?


Stanley Cup
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Aug 5 @ 2:57 PM ET
The trade for Adam Oates
THE EVIL WITHIN
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Location: NJ
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Aug 5 @ 3:05 PM ET
I backread, and no fire Chuck comments! 🥳
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
Bill, can you give us a rundown on what a "developmental" coach actually does?

Is it more on ice or off ice stuff?

- MBFlyerfan


More off ice than on but there can be a one-on-one on ice part at times. Mostly, though, it's about establishing a person rapport. Teaching them about the day to day of being a pro. Being a confidant. Observing their play and making suggestions.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
I backread, and no fire Chuck comments! 🥳
- THE EVIL WITHIN


Most have given up hope...
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fire Chuck Now
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 5 @ 3:33 PM ET
There was a link to an article on here the other day, where some jackwagon ranked Clarke as 3rd worst GM ever. Most of the trades they listed as bad ones were in this category - meh no real winners or losers. Except the Patrick Sharp trade.
- backfire

That's just ridiculous.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Aug 5 @ 3:43 PM ET
The trade for Adam Oates
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That was a terrible waste of assets....
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 4:00 PM ET
That was a terrible waste of assets....
- RajaAmpat



An INSANE trade when looked at in todays lens.

For Maxime Ouellet and a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick in the 2002 draft.

For a 39 year old center who granted, led the league in assists that season.

the Flyers ended up getting a 1st round pick from Tampa and drafted Pitkanen.


The Stars ended up using the original Flyers pick to take Martin Vagner at #26.
Washington chose Maxime Daigneault at 59 (2nd round) and Derek Krestanovich at 92 (3rd round)


All for 14 regular season games and 5 playoff games.





RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Aug 5 @ 4:14 PM ET
An INSANE trade when looked at in todays lens.

For Maxime Ouellet and a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick in the 2002 draft.

For a 39 year old center who granted, led the league in assists that season.

the Flyers ended up getting a 1st round pick from Tampa and drafted Pitkanen.


The Stars ended up using the original Flyers pick to take Martin Vagner at #26.
Washington chose Maxime Daigneault at 59 (2nd round) and Derek Krestanovich at 92 (3rd round)

All for 14 regular season games and 5 playoff games.

- MBFlyerfan


Ahh , the 1st from Tampa was for the Ukranian winger Ruslan Fedotenko
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 4:25 PM ET
Ahh , the 1st from Tampa was for the Ukranian winger Ruslan Fedotenko
- RajaAmpat



yes!


I guess the only saving grace was that the 2002 draft was one of the weakest drafts I have ever seen.

Not one of the players drafted with those Flyers picks played one game in the NHL.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 5 @ 4:27 PM ET
He had a team ownership venture and took time away to do that.
- bmeltzer


Thank you
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 5 @ 5:48 PM ET
As this discouraging off-season drags on, I still can’t help but start to feel excited for the season to begin. I’m ready to watch some flyers hockey, even though it may be painful at times.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 7:34 PM ET
More off ice than on but there can be a one-on-one on ice part at times. Mostly, though, it's about establishing a person rapport. Teaching them about the day to day of being a pro. Being a confidant. Observing their play and making suggestions.
- bmeltzer



Thanks Bill, almost sounds like a guidance counselor.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 7:35 PM ET
As this discouraging off-season drags on, I still can’t help but start to feel excited for the season to begin. I’m ready to watch some flyers hockey, even though it may be painful at times.
- funmaster18



With Torts at the helm it should at least be good theater.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Chuck Fletcher is a POS
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 5 @ 7:39 PM ET
The trade for Adam Oates
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Yeah, that was a pretty awful trade... he also had:

- Justin Williams for a few games of Danny Markov
- Dennis Seidenberg for gives-zero-(frank)s Petr Nedved
- Vinny Prospal for Alex Daigle
- Patrick Sharp for Matt Ellison
- Primeau gave us that 5OT goal, but trading Brindy away was so wrong (even if he had beef w/ 88)
- Wasting a truckload of top-90 picks on dudes like Denis Gauthier, Todd Fedoruk, Eric Chouinard, Jiri Dopita, Dean McAmmond, Dave Babych and Pat Falloon over the years
- Trading for Billy Tibbetts, gross


But he did make some really nice trades, like:

- Getting all 4 1st-rounders from the Gratton OS (Gagne, Williams) back for just Renberg + Dykhuis
- Somehow getting Tampa to give up the 4th-overall pick for Ruslan Fedotenko,
- Getting a top-pair puck-moving dman back for Lindros' rights (Kim Johnsson),
- Turning Daymond Langkow into two top-60 picks, one which turned into Jeff Carter
- And of course, the Mark Recchi for Rico and LeClair deal.



He was a good GM when the league was all about size and toughness and he could spend as much $ as he wanted to cover his ass on his constant missteps. There's zero chance he would succeed in the salary cap era tho. And he definitely missed the boat on the rule changes and transition to a more open/skill game. And he never really prioritized goaltending at the end of the day.
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