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Ogilthorpe2
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Jul 29 @ 8:04 AM ET
That was the single best thing ever posted on here. Blog or comment.

Thanks for sharing

- Bhawks35

...says the guy who's been posting for all of two months now
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Jul 29 @ 8:06 AM ET
That's rich coming from a sabers fan
- southernhawk

You can't fix stupid. What a D-bag.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:11 AM ET
You can't fix stupid. What a D-bag.
- Ogilthorpe2


Like he knows what Doan is gonna do or where has gonna play ....heres something that's not a rumor...the sabers suck....and by the way enjoy Jon Scott
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Jul 29 @ 8:12 AM ET
This blog has very little credibility in that there is no way any team will make an offer longer than 4 years. If you understood the CBA and investigated Doan's age, there would be no need to even explain why. Which, IMHO is the very least anyone should do before purposing a rumor of a possible offer length of 5 years.

You should be ashamed that you are so lazy you can't even make things up that can hold water because you are ignorant of the facts.

- Sabretooter

How about you play a nice little game of hide and go (frank) yourself? Beat it troll. Purposing a rumor?
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:53 AM ET
How about you play a nice little game of hide and go (frank) yourself? Beat it troll. Purposing a rumor?
- Ogilthorpe2


He'd have to much fun doing that
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jul 29 @ 8:55 AM ET
Don't know why all o fthe sudden people are thinking there will be a contraction - Phoenix is the most likely, as ownership problems continue, but the reis a simple solution: Quebec City, Hamilton (expensive), maybe Seattle if they want to keep it in the US.

Would also want to contract 2 if any contraction happens to get to 4X7 - don't think there's any other contraction talk out there.

I think no contraction this round.

- StLBravesFan

Ever been to Hamilton? There is as much chance that Peoria will get a franchise as Hamilton will. The arena is 27 years old now and it was a Jim Ballsillie (RIM) dream a couple years ago.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jul 29 @ 9:36 AM ET
If the Hawks were to get Doan, who's the odd man out of the Top 6...Stalberg or Carcillo?
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:46 AM ET
If the Hawks were to get Doan, who's the odd man out of the Top 6...Stalberg or Carcillo?
- Assman22


I'd bet it's Carcillo.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:48 AM ET
Ever been to Hamilton? There is as much chance that Peoria will get a franchise as Hamilton will. The arena is 27 years old now and it was a Jim Ballsillie (RIM) dream a couple years ago.
- RickJ


After everything Ballsillie tried to do to get a team in Hamilton, and the league not letting it happen, I doubt there will ever be an NHL team there.
abvnbyd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Salisbury, MD
Joined: 02.24.2012

Jul 29 @ 9:52 AM ET
If the Hawks were to get Doan, who's the odd man out of the Top 6...Stalberg or Carcillo?
- Assman22


I would think stalberg would have more value via trade. Maybe to fill one of the obvious holes we 've all been discussing for months now???
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 9:58 AM ET
JJ, have you caught wind of the players being dissatisfied with management. Is this the reason Mayers & Carcillo were signed early because management knew guys like Winnik didn't want to play here?
- southernhawk


No, I think they found out this summer that they can't name their own price/term with FAs anymore.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:00 AM ET
would you guys trade Kane for the Nash deal? Just curious....and since there really is nothing else to talk about this off-season.

Anisimov (6'3" 190 lb, Center, age 24)
Dubinsky (6'1" 210 lbs, Center, age 26)
Erixon (6'3" 205 lbs, Defense, age 21)
2013 1st Rounder


John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:01 AM ET
JJ just wondering what exactly you would have liked Bowman to do this offseason that you're constantly criticizing him and the "one goalers"?

I don't get what everyone wanted from this offseason. Not talking about his lack of movement on trade deadlines or anything in the past. Simply THIS offseason. There were only two FAs worth getting at any cost and according to JJ bowman did everything he could to get them here. There are 29 other teams that didn't land the big fish of this FA class.

Outside of Parise and Suter what exactly out there helped fill our hole of a 2nd line center and starting goalie? Olli Jokinen was the closest thing to a legitimate 2nd line center and he would have been a terrible fit being a shoot first center.
If you want to say we should be looking to trade for this center, then Im with ya. Otherwise there was nothing out there that filled those needs. Filling the bottom lines with mclements and winniks doesn't help the biggest problems.

I don't want an "ask for permission bean counter as gm" but you also don't want a gm that makes knee jerk decisions. One of the most crippling things a team can do is go out and try to fill holes with the wrong people. You don't bring in another 3rd line center and hope he or bolland can play a 2nd line role. You don't go out and sign a bottom pairing Dman and put him in a top 4 role. A perfect example of this is the Flyers. Everyone thought they were doomed after trading Richards and Carter. They ended up being a better team bc now you weren't trying to fit round pegs into square holes. The centers now played center and the wingers played wing. Gioux moved from the right side to center. Briere moved up from 3rd line C to 2nd where he belonged and carter who was playing W but wanted to play C was now gone. The Ranges did the same thing by getting Nash. Last year they had stepan up and down centering the 2nd and 3rd line and anisimov moved from Center to wing constantly. Now they have their top 3 centers set in stone with richards, stepan, boyle. This alone makes them better than last year.

The best bet for the Hawks right now is to stay the course and go into the season with Toews, Kruger, Bolland as their top 3. They will be fine for a cpl months like that and could move kane to Center if need be on that second line. Then during the trade deadline go out and see if an upgrade can be made via trade to solidify that spot if kruger can't handle it. If you can go ahead and trade for one now than obviously you do that. But all the complaining and whining for lack of signings this offseason is mind boggling to me given this FA class.

- Bhawks35


You want to make it just about this summer, but I am looking at his record in totality. Most of the trades he made in the summer of 2010, when he had a gun to his head, have come up craps.

I am told he had deals on the table this summer and backed away. There is rumor that he is seen not just in Chicago but throughout the league as "overvaluing his prospects."

Guy keeps talking about prospects who are 2-3 years away (at best) when his team is strutctured to win now.
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:02 AM ET
You can't fix stupid. What a D-bag.
- Ogilthorpe2

But you can still buy a gun and try to control it

Gone for week, doesn't look like I missed a thing?
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:03 AM ET
You want to make it just about this summer, but I am looking at his record in totality. Most of the trades he made in the summer of 2010, when he had a gun to his head, have come up craps.

I am told he had deals on the table this summer and backed away. There is rumor that he is seen not just in Chicago but throughout the league as "overvaluing his prospects."

Guy keeps talking about prospects who are 2-3 years away (at best) when his team is strutctured to win now.

- John Jaeckel



I think one of the biggest misses this summer for the hawks was not acquiring Foligno. Since he was traded he obviously could have been had and it seems from all accounts the hawks had been talking trade to ottawa. They swung and missed there imo. I like that kid. Top 6 potential there.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:05 AM ET
This post from hfboards is something that has to be shared here:



Everybody should really read this one. Spot on!

- MjulQvist



And I disagree with much of it. More apologies for this regime, probably planted by one of their paid lurkers.

southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 29 @ 10:06 AM ET
I think one of the biggest misses this summer for the hawks was not acquiring Foligno. Since he was traded he obviously could have been had and it seems from all accounts the hawks had been talking trade to ottawa. They swung and missed there imo. I like that kid. Top 6 potential there.
- moylander


+1
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:10 AM ET
completely agree with you. that team was by far the deepest and best team in the year that league.
Im just commenting on the tone of the article by that poster. He wasn't arguing the depth of the team or anything like that. The entire post was talking about the "what have you done for me lately" outlook of the fan base. How people wanted to fire Tallon up until 2009 and then he wins the cup and is the greatest gm in hockey. How stan bowman has never done a single thing correctly etc etc.

As much I enjoy most of what JJ has to say about the team he is guilty of this as well. Last year a stretch of his blogs talked about the hawks being a legit cup contender and how the west was wide open etc..then if we lost 2 or 3 in a row we would be lucky to make the playoffs and we would be an easy out first round if we did. Last year the team he picked to go to the cup is the exact same team this year that he says is a one and done team if we make it.
That kind of attitude and outlook on the team is exactly what the poster was referring to. And he couldn't be more accurate with that.

- Bhawks35


You're right, I went back and forth some last year. You seem to like taking things out of their larger context to make your point however.

I have ALWAYS said this team is close.

What is so maddening is the way Bowman nickels and dimes million dollar problems and defaults to talking about an uncertain stable of prospects who are years out as the answer.

I think you just don't like (or don't want to like) cynicism about this regime.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:11 AM ET
Seems to me Columbus is quietly getting much more physical. Dubinsky, Anisimov, Foligno, Erixon. Especially at forward.

I don't think they are a playoff team yet but I do think they will be tougher to beat this year than last.

- moylander


I agree, but they will have trouble scoring goals
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:14 AM ET
would you guys trade Kane for the Nash deal? Just curious....and since there really is nothing else to talk about this off-season.

Anisimov (6'3" 190 lb, Center, age 24)
Dubinsky (6'1" 210 lbs, Center, age 26)
Erixon (6'3" 205 lbs, Defense, age 21)
2013 1st Rounder

- moylander


I would do it in a new York minute. Fills holes, adds size, allows further trade to fill goalie spot.
I'm aware that dubi is not liked on this board, but the guy is a heart and soul player, something this teams lacks on a nightly basis. Upgrade over some of the FA's coveted here.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:15 AM ET
This blog has very little credibility in that there is no way any team will make an offer longer than 4 years. If you understood the CBA and investigated Doan's age, there would be no need to even explain why. Which, IMHO is the very least anyone should do before purposing a rumor of a possible offer length of 5 years.

You should be ashamed that you are so lazy you can't even make things up that can hold water because you are ignorant of the facts.

- Sabretooter


If that has to do with Doan being 40 in 4 years, I was (and am) unaware of a provision in the CBA about contracts extending past when a player is 40. It could be the case. And I never claimed an encyclopedic knowledge of the CBA.

Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about. But haters wanna hate. Hope this made you feel a little bigger today, Sparky.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:23 AM ET
I would do it in a new York minute. Fills holes, adds size, allows further trade to fill goalie spot.
I'm aware that dubi is not liked on this board, but the guy is a heart and soul player, something this teams lacks on a nightly basis. Upgrade over some of the FA's coveted here.

- dpard


That's what I was thinking. They get bigger, they get Centers, they get much more physical. Erixon is NHL ready which is a plus, or just keep him in the AHL next season. The 1st is in a deep draft. All players are young. The hawks imo lack solid depth on their roster - this kind of deal would help the Hawks on a lot of fronts imo.

I think then Bolland could be dealt for a solid LW or packaged with Hammer for a big time upgrade at D. Don't know about goaltenders. Not much out there right now imo if they won't pay to get Lu.

jmo.

moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 29 @ 10:25 AM ET
I agree, but they will have trouble scoring goals
- John Jaeckel



And stopping them
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jul 29 @ 10:26 AM ET
And Kenny Williams does it again. The Hawks should borrow him for a day just so they have someone in that office who could pull the trigger.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 29 @ 10:37 AM ET
And Kenny Williams does it again. The Hawks should borrow him for a day just so they have someone in that office who could pull the trigger.
- fattybeef


Ha, love Trader Kenny, he wants to win.
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