I don't know why Canucks fans can't understand that the Luongo situation is not just about trading a good goalie for a good return. When it becomes public knowledge that a player is on his way out then the return will diminish. A 33 year old goalie with a contract that goes for another 10 years is a risk, sure he will likely retire before the contract ends but what if he doesn't?

If Luongo is as great as Canucks fans think and should bring back a king's ransom then why are they trading him instead of Schneider?
- DarthKane

Hey, you live in Vancouver, right? Is everyone there in denial as to what the Luser situation is?

Good point, JJ. I agree with you and Burke is certainly cunning enough to do just that.

What are your predictions on where both Luo and Bernier end up, if anywhere? I see luo being dealt before bernier but who knows. LA doesn't really have anyone in the pipeline ready to take over the backup role. Both Jones and Zatkoff have upside but need more seasoning.

Luo to TOR. Bernier stays put. CHi goes with what they have? That would probably be my bet.
- Bhawks35

Lu stays in Van til the trade deadline and then goes to any of a handful of teams that want/need a goalie then. Bernier to TO. Hawks stand pat.

Remember, I think there will be no hockey anyway til 12/1 so Gillis just has to bite the bullet for a couple of months with Lu around.

Would Minnesota being willing to trade Backstrom? They re-upped Harding, and that guy is injury prone. They have Hackett in the minors. They just shelled out big money to Parise and Suter.

If Harding isn't the answer to the future in Minnesota, where are they going to have the room to re-up Backstrom? Or is the idea to move away from Backstrom after this season?
- EKolb13

I can't see them trading a bona fide starter after spending huge money to improve their club. If I'm thinking playoffs I don't trade Backstrom.

Hey, you live in Vancouver, right? Is everyone there in denial as to what the Luser situation is?
- EKolb13

Most of the people I talk to think Luongo should bring back a top 6 forward, top prospect and 1st round pick. They tend to focus on the hockey side of the transaction while ignoring the business side. Luongate has moved beyond a hockey situation and it's all about business now, most Canucks fans won't/can't realize that.

I know we have a huge rivalry against the Canucks, but I give their fans a lot of credit in the fact that they have a tremendous amount of passion for their team. But I think they let their passion get in the way of their rational thinking, which has probably happened to Hawks fans a time or two.

Lu stays in Van til the trade deadline and then goes to any of a handful of teams that want/need a goalie then. Bernier to TO. Hawks stand pat.

Remember, I think there will be no hockey anyway til 12/1 so Gillis just has to bite the bullet for a couple of months with Lu around.
- John Jaeckel

I have heard some scuttle concerning Luongo/Gillis and it reinforces my thinking.... Gillis is stuck big time. He doesn't have anything close because if so he would have gone to Lu for permission.

Burke usually stands by what he says which was he wanted a veteran goalie if any goalie at all. Burke and Gillis have a past realationship too...

Until Gillis realizes he has no leverage and can't really make a hockey trade BobbyLu probably stays put....But he is caught in every direction. By the time Luongo's reduced salary takes hold it will be six more years and by then he will be old.

As far as Florida....Gillis better pray the owner really wants Luongo and he might...evidently Tallon not so hot on the idea but the owner is the boss.

Bowman can't afford to give much for Luongo and Gillis will be hard pressed to give him away to a Conference foe.

The only team in the West that could use Lu and could afford him is Columbus and they may be able to pay more than anyone else as well.

I can't see them trading a bona fide starter after spending huge money to improve their club. If I'm thinking playoffs I don't trade Backstrom.
- Al

Agreed.

If the Wild poop the bed right out of the gate, and are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline, do they trade Backtsrom? Or is Backstrom the guy they hold onto, and maybe they look to deal Hackett eventually?

Most of the people I talk to think Luongo should bring back a top 6 forward, top prospect and 1st round pick. They tend to focus on the hockey side of the transaction while ignoring the business side. Luongate has moved beyond a hockey situation and it's all about business now, most Canucks fans won't/can't realize that.

I know we have a huge rivalry against the Canucks, but I give their fans a lot of credit in the fact that they have a tremendous amount of passion for their team. But I think they let their passion get in the way of their rational thinking, which has probably happened to Hawks fans a time or two.
- DarthKane

Most of the people I talk to think Luongo should bring back a top 6 forward, top prospect and 1st round pick

There are not many things you can be sure of but that isn't going to happen.

The return for Nash was much higher than Luongo will fetch.

The market for goal tenders in the last 5 years or so has gone pretty much the same way as that of running backs in the NFL -Down. ....Which also works against Gillis.

Agreed.

If the Wild poop the bed right out of the gate, and are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline, do they trade Backtsrom? Or is Backstrom the guy they hold onto, and maybe they look to deal Hackett eventually?
- EKolb13

Now that is a different situation and it wouldn't be a shock then.

Most of the people I talk to think Luongo should bring back a top 6 forward, top prospect and 1st round pick

There are not many things you can be sure of but that isn't going to happen.

The return for Nash was much higher than Luongo will fetch.

The market for goal tenders in the last 5 years or so has gone pretty much the same way as that of running backs in the NFL -Down. ....Which also works against Gillis.
- Al

The funny thing about Luongo in Vancouver (at least with the people I know) is that they were ready to run him out of town the past couple seasons, but as soon as it became clear Schneider was the future starter then they starting clamoring on how unfairly Luo was treated in Vancouver (which is partly true).

Most of the people I talk to think Luongo should bring back a top 6 forward, top prospect and 1st round pick. They tend to focus on the hockey side of the transaction while ignoring the business side. Luongate has moved beyond a hockey situation and it's all about business now, most Canucks fans won't/can't realize that.

I know we have a huge rivalry against the Canucks, but I give their fans a lot of credit in the fact that they have a tremendous amount of passion for their team. But I think they let their passion get in the way of their rational thinking, which has probably happened to Hawks fans a time or two.
- DarthKane

Top 6 forward plus a top prospect PLUS a 1st round pick? Really?!

I'm with Al...a traditional hockey trade is NOT going to happen.

If that's the price Gillis demands, the only way Lu leaves Vancouver is via retirement.

The funny thing about Luongo in Vancouver (at least with the people I know) is that they were ready to run him out of town the past couple seasons, but as soon as it became clear Schneider was the future starter then they starting clamoring on how unfairly Luo was treated in Vancouver (which is partly true).
- DarthKane

Like I said before Gillis has to be wishing he traded Lu last summer toTallon...He might have gotten a decent prospect or two back. That was then....

Top 6 forward plus a top prospect PLUS a 1st round pick? Really?!

I'm with Al...a traditional hockey trade is NOT going to happen.

If that's the price Gillis demands, the only way Lu leaves Vancouver is via retirement.
- ArlingtonRob

I don't think it will come to that, but I don't think Luser will move until the trade deadline.

I don't think it will come to that, but I don't think Luser will move until the trade deadline.
- EKolb13

Or until another team sustains an injury to their starting goaltender.

By the way, it's nice to see you still using the "Mr. Crankypants" handle.

Or until another team sustains an injury to their starting goaltender.

By the way, it's nice to see you still using the "Mr. Crankypants" handle.
- DarthKane

Yeah, the name has stuck.

Or until another team sustains an injury to their starting goaltender.

By the way, it's nice to see you still using the "Mr. Crankypants" handle.
- DarthKane

If I'm Gillis, at this point, that's what I do. All this needs to be viewed through the lens of a likely shortened season, and shortened time period leading up to the TDL. There will likely will be another team or two more willing to play ball with Gillis then.

If I'm Gillis, at this point, that's what I do. All this needs to be viewed through the lens of a likely shortened season, and shortened time period leading up to the TDL. There will likely will be another team or two more willing to play ball with Gillis then.
- John Jaeckel

Agree


I think it will be closer to a hockey trade than a Campbell-like trade.

Agree


I think it will be closer to a hockey trade than a Campbell-like trade.
- moylander

I'd put the Luongo (potential) trade between the Nash deal and Campbell deal.

I see him in Rockford. He's got his head up his ass most days. It's a shame, the guy does have some talent, and can really play when he uses his head.
- EKolb13

Hey EK...i agree...Beach is one of the biggest disappointments to me because i really liked him in junior. But you're right...he looks like he had the One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest lobotomy. No drive, no urgency and his hour glass appears to be running very low.

I don't think it will come to that, but I don't think Luser will move until the trade deadline.
- EKolb13

Agreed Eli...I was being a bit facetious.

Agree


I think it will be closer to a hockey trade than a Campbell-like trade.
- moylander

Depends what you call a hockey trade...Rest assured Gillis will take back a bad contract or a couple of players who are considered projects. No team is going to suck that contract up and not want some cap relief.

The Hawks took back only one player and used only one roster spot...Although Olesz has been of no use in Chgo Bowman didn't have to use up a bunch of contract spots.
That he did correctly, although the saved cap space has not been used so far.

He's not as wealthy as Woods, but he's probably less of a richard.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ting-tiger-woods-ex-wife/

Not much to chat about boyz, so how bout some gossip...

He's not as wealthy as Woods, but he's probably less of a richard.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ting-tiger-woods-ex-wife/

Not much to chat about boyz, so how bout some gossip...
- ArlingtonRob

He doesn't have to be as wealthy as Woods - SHE is.

Depends what you call a hockey trade...Rest assured Gillis will take back a bad contract or a couple of players who are considered projects. No team is going to suck that contract up and not want some cap relief.

The Hawks took back only one player and used only one roster spot...Although Olesz has been of no use in Chgo Bowman didn't have to use up a bunch of contract spots.
That he did correctly, although the saved cap space has not been used so far.
- Al

Kulimen, Komisarek, pick/prospect for Lu. Something of the sort.

Not Rick Nash return... but nowhere near Campbell return. Jmo.

Sorry, forgot about that year...that was the year we were cruising and then Khabby got hurt....Sieve'al O-lay was good in the elimination game and we lost in o/t.
- philco28

also havlat got Kronwalled. The dude was labeled hard, came back the same game and got hit in the head again behind the net. No call ofc. Also some huge turnovers by our great dmen, i think campbell, seabrook and maybe even keith that led to odd man breaks and goals the other way - damn Cleary. With Havlat and Khabby going down, that was it for a come back. Khabby wasn't playing great, but acceptable. We played Detroit tough that year, but could have used another player. Paulson was no help. I did see Paulhson play last year - tons better than that year.
That really sucked about Havlat - you can see the guy progress as the year went on, because he played tentative after his surgery. But was playing better and better as the season progressed. That line - Bolland, Havlat and Ladd was so dangerous. that team was fun too watch.

Doan would be nice - but what is the Hawks plan. They just need some net presence - do we need to pay a guy 7.5 mil for 4 years for that and will probably need another player in 2 years when Doan's play tails off. Yes, Doan will bring other tangibles. But I also like the Butler kid, i don't know much about his situation - but liked the youtube medley.

Stan and Q, Have a plan and don't chase the next big FA out there. We need a goalie (hopefully cheap in case Crawford doesn't pan out), another physical dman, a guy to win faceoffs, and a guy who has good net presence and i guess some coaching - And we got nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the signings of Carcillo, Emery, Mayers were ok, but served what purpose for this year. Are they going to make this team better? What is their upside?