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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:34 PM ET
I wanted to move Sharp for Statsny when they were talking about him being "available" last year.

NMC makes that a problem and this organization does not like to part with its chosen ones.

If they are also sold as Kane at 2C and billing that as their genius idea that could prove a potential problem for acquiring one or at least a reason in their minds as they are so much smarter than everyone else.

- fattybeef


You talk to Sharp, and Ill talk to Stastny, we can hammer this deal out. I would love to add Hjalmarsson too, but I dont think we have the pieces to make that work too, unless getting a cheaper Dman like O'Bryne and a guy like Kobasew can sweeten the pot
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:36 PM ET
>JJ, as always, great insights and scoop
>Safe to say the Hawks on the ice the last two years lacked that special "mojo" of a championship team (besides the roster holes)
>Last year was also probably Q's worst or one of the worst coaching years of his career
>Net result: Hawks play maybe six, 60-minute games the entire season
>Doan is a perfect fit for the Hawks: will get top minutes, fills a real team need, would be a great team to end career with, can make the biggest impact, fits with all the western Canadian boys, and his presence on the Hawks gives Doan a great chance to win a Cup
>Chicago as a town is also a perfect fit -- big enough to enjoy all a big city has to offer, rabid fan-base, but its Midwestern charm gives players the chance to be as visible or invisible as they wish
>Here's hoping Doan is smart enough to see that Chicago is perfect for him, too
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Jul 27 @ 12:36 PM ET
If he's looking for $15M for the next two years, give him 4 years at $2M each with an $11M signing bonus or something like that. That would drop the cap hit down under $5M. It depends upon how long he really plans to play.
- NewToHockey


I nominate you to be chief capologist
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:37 PM ET
It seems our GM doesn't have the balls to pull off a trade.

Myself, I'd have some interest in Morrow at the trade deadline, if he is injury free.

- EKolb13


He would look good with Toews, I think Morrow is the odd man out winger out on that team
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:38 PM ET
He would look good with Toews, I think Morrow is the odd man out winger out on that team
- DDM-Coga


Dallas added Jagr and Whitney. I thought they were trying to start a grey-beard team in Texas.

They'll need Morrow for that.
miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:40 PM ET
Good reasoning Mike....fact is Doan can leverage the market and get all he wants because of his talent and character.....4 years at near $30 m....is too rich for me.
- philco28

One year ago I would have agreed. but if our top 6 is toews doan stalberg..then Kane, Hoss sharp. Bottom 6 of Bollnd, Krug, shaw, bickell, bollig,Mayers, frolik, Hayes etc. ...that's a real nice fwd group-to win NOW with


I like Ogi's idea of Statsny..and we still could improve our lot in goal. But if it were Doan for 7.5/yr or nothing. I'll take Doan for the cash.

and welcome back Philco, now please call someone a pssuy (in all caps) so I can go back to work
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:40 PM ET
Dallas added Jagr and Whitney. I thought they were trying to start a grey-beard team in Texas.

They'll need Morrow for that.

- EKolb13


Old man Knuble is still available, he could join them and make up the early bird dinner line
miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:41 PM ET
You talk to Sharp, and Ill talk to Stastny, we can hammer this deal out. I would love to add Hjalmarsson too, but I dont think we have the pieces to make that work too, unless getting a cheaper Dman like O'Bryne and a guy like Kobasew can sweeten the pot
- DDM-Coga

we wouldnt do it for sharp-at least i dont think.
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 27 @ 12:43 PM ET
Usually they are, but I think in his "blog" today, those are Esplen's own proposals.
- EKolb13


I put that WTF was I thinking proposal in of Frolik, Morin and McNeill for Lu and a pick if VAN signed doan and could not take back salary. As Eli pointed out the sun baked my skull with that idea. Esplen took that and replaced Morin with Johns as well as changing the word pick to a 3rd.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:44 PM ET
One year ago I would have agreed. but if our top 6 is toews doan stalberg..then Kane, Hoss sharp. Bottom 6 of Bollnd, Krug, shaw, bickell, bollig,Mayers, frolik, Hayes etc. ...that's a real nice fwd group-to win NOW with


I like Ogi's idea of Statsny..and we still could improve our lot in goal. But if it were Doan for 7.5/yr or nothing. I'll take Doan for the cash.

and welcome back Philco, now please call someone a pssuy (in all caps) so I can go back to work

- miked23


If Bowman signs Doan, here's how I see things...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($7.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,070,128; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,129,872
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:44 PM ET
Old man Knuble is still available, he could join them and make up the early bird dinner line
- DDM-Coga


Not a bad idea for Dallas.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:46 PM ET
I put that WTF was I thinking proposal in of Frolik, Morin and McNeill for Lu and a pick if VAN signed doan and could not take back salary. As Eli pointed out the sun baked my skull with that idea. Esplen took that and replaced Morin with Johns as well as changing the word pick to a 3rd.
- ikeane


I fully expect for Luser to still be a Canuck by this time next summer.
Quetzalcoatl
Location: Buffalo Sabres / Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 12.02.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:46 PM ET
I believe the 4yrs, $30 mil is what a team in the "East" is rumored to have offered Doan, not that he is necessarily looking for that amount.
miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
If Bowman signs Doan, here's how I see things...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($7.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,070,128; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,129,872

- EKolb13

Love it..if the wings are Hoss and Sharp the 2C should be ok if its Krug, Kane or Bolland. Another way to put it; Doan allows us the flexibility to use the best option (and most insurance) of Sharp, kane, Krug or Bolland as our centers behind captain god. He may cost a lot. But a 4/5 yr commitment to him wont seem so bad if he helps us in the first couple of years.
1goalLordStanley
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chitown, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
If Bowman signs Doan, here's how I see things...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($7.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,070,128; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,129,872

- EKolb13



My take is this: why would we have signed Brookbank on the first day of FA if we didn't intend on using him in the game-by-game lineup? I understand that Montador's caphit is way too high for a scratch, but it makes Brookbank look like a worthless sign. And how do you think he feels about that? Of all the places to play, he picks the spot where he won't even be used? Just add more reason for players not to come to Chicago.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
If Bowman signs Doan, here's how I see things...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($7.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,070,128; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,129,872

- EKolb13



I like it.....and I maybe the only one who likes Carcillo on the 3rd line...he and Bolland would be awesome to watch...
miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:53 PM ET
My take is this: why would we have signed Brookbank on the first day of FA if we didn't intend on using him in the game-by-game lineup? I understand that Montador's caphit is way too high for a scratch, but it makes Brookbank look like a worthless sign. And how do you think he feels about that? Of all the places to play, he picks the spot where he won't even be used? Just add more reason for players not to come to Chicago.
- 1goalLordStanley

Nah. dont overhink it. he's 5-7 dman wherever he goes. we needed one, we grabbed him. remember at the beginning of the summer Leddy, Hjarm, Monty were all possibilities to be moved. it was a good chess move.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:53 PM ET
My take is this: why would we have signed Brookbank on the first day of FA if we didn't intend on using him in the game-by-game lineup? I understand that Montador's caphit is way too high for a scratch, but it makes Brookbank look like a worthless sign. And how do you think he feels about that? Of all the places to play, he picks the spot where he won't even be used? Just add more reason for players not to come to Chicago.
- 1goalLordStanley



And I to would play Brookbank over Monty...just saying
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 27 @ 12:54 PM ET
If Bowman signs Doan, here's how I see things...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($7.500m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,070,128; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,129,872

- EKolb13



FU CKING BONER !!!

If this happens you might never ever see the incredible red hulk again !!
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:54 PM ET
My take is this: why would we have signed Brookbank on the first day of FA if we didn't intend on using him in the game-by-game lineup? I understand that Montador's caphit is way too high for a scratch, but it makes Brookbank look like a worthless sign. And how do you think he feels about that? Of all the places to play, he picks the spot where he won't even be used? Just add more reason for players not to come to Chicago.
- 1goalLordStanley


Stick Montador in as the 7th d-man? I don't know, do whatever floats your boat. Brookbank had to know coming in that he might be seeing time in the press box.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:54 PM ET
Nah. dont overhink it. he's 5-7 dman wherever he goes. we needed one, we grabbed him.
- miked23

exactly...and on this team he's a #6
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:55 PM ET
Nah. dont overhink it. he's 5-7 dman wherever he goes. we needed one, we grabbed him.
- miked23


This.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:56 PM ET
exactly...and on this team he's a #6
- southernhawk


Or a #7. Who cares where he falls? Montador or Brookbank are better options at #7 than Lepisto and O'Donnell.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jul 27 @ 12:57 PM ET
FU CKING BONER !!!

If this happens you might never ever see the incredible red hulk again !!

- mrpaulish


Keep it in your pants Matt!

We don't need to see your red-tinted junk.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 27 @ 12:57 PM ET
You get Doan, does that mean Sharp could be expendable? I like Sharp for Stastny kind of deal.
- DDM-Coga



No, it just means we have 5 legitimate top 6 forwards instead of 4. If anyone would become expendable I would guess it would be Stalberg (assuming Frolik is already expendable). Stalberg might not go right away, but he may not be re-signed next summer (in my opinion).
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