I'm alright Southie. First final of summer semester today. How's things on your end?
- EKolb13

good...lots of rain here...got 3 inches in 3 hours this morning...

good...lots of rain here...got 3 inches in 3 hours this morning...
- southernhawk

With the way weather has been up here, we'd kill for that rain.

If I'm Gillis, at this point, that's what I do. All this needs to be viewed through the lens of a likely shortened season, and shortened time period leading up to the TDL. There will likely will be another team or two more willing to play ball with Gillis then.
- John Jaeckel

You know as well as anyone, the time to deal is the summer time to get the most interest. This is why Columbus waited till the summer, when everyone can plan and make a play. By waiting you are taking a huge risk that trade deadline potential partners will be good trade matches. Additionally, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Luongo have a no trade or movement deal? Wouldn't he have to give his blessing? To do that at the deadline is nuts. To have Luongo sit as a rusty back up for 2 months to get to deadline, even assuming a late start....not a risk worth taking. He is a depreciating asset and a distraction, given what is already public knowledge about his situation.

Even if Van receives a prospect, a pick and some salary for a year, the cap space to be opened in a year or so is more than enough compensation for getting rid of the contract longer term. The cap flexibility they will get is the goal, not picking over some B level players or prospects. Unless some team is in love with him and willing to pay up, this is what the market is for Luongo. Down the road Gillis can flip salary relief into a free agent for an acquisition.

I stand by my call he will be moved sooner than later.

With the way weather has been up here, we'd kill for that rain.
- EKolb13

My oldest brother lives in Carthage Missouri and I talked to him this morning, he said something like 57 of the last 60 days over 95 degrees and all the corn is dried up it's bad...

My oldest brother lives in Carthage Missouri and I talked to him this morning, he said something like 57 of the last 60 days over 95 degrees and all the corn is dried up it's bad...
- southernhawk

Same here. I live in a farming community just outside of Rockford. Lots of talk of farmers turning in insurance claims and mowing down fields.

You know as well as anyone, the time to deal is the summer time to get the most interest. This is why Columbus waited till the summer, when everyone can plan and make a play. By waiting you are taking a huge risk that trade deadline potential partners will be good trade matches. Additionally, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Luongo have a no trade or movement deal? Wouldn't he have to give his blessing? To do that at the deadline is nuts. To have Luongo sit as a rusty back up for 2 months to get to deadline, even assuming a late start....not a risk worth taking. He is a depreciating asset and a distraction, given what is already public knowledge about his situation.

Even if Van receives a prospect, a pick and some salary for a year, the cap space to be opened in a year or so is more than enough compensation for getting rid of the contract longer term. The cap flexibility they will get is the goal, not picking over some B level players or prospects. Unless some team is in love with him and willing to pay up, this is what the market is for Luongo. Down the road Gillis can flip salary relief into a free agent for an acquisition.

I stand by my call he will be moved sooner than later.
- TrueGrit

First the overall point you make could be correct—he will get moved sooner.

BUT, a lot of what you build the argument on is either false or overstated.

There is almost no market for him now. That's the point. I DO agree Gillis makes a bit of a gamble waiting til the trade deadline, but as the market for Lu is down to 1-2 teams anyway, what does he have to lose? Further, likely BOTH of those teams will still need a goalie at the deadline!

Also, I don't have the stats in front of me, but in terms of the number of trades made, it sure seems to me that more get made the last 72 hours before the trade deadline than all summer long.

You know as well as anyone, the time to deal is the summer time to get the most interest. This is why Columbus waited till the summer, when everyone can plan and make a play. By waiting you are taking a huge risk that trade deadline potential partners will be good trade matches. Additionally, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Luongo have a no trade or movement deal? Wouldn't he have to give his blessing? To do that at the deadline is nuts. To have Luongo sit as a rusty back up for 2 months to get to deadline, even assuming a late start....not a risk worth taking. He is a depreciating asset and a distraction, given what is already public knowledge about his situation.

Even if Van receives a prospect, a pick and some salary for a year, the cap space to be opened in a year or so is more than enough compensation for getting rid of the contract longer term. The cap flexibility they will get is the goal, not picking over some B level players or prospects. Unless some team is in love with him and willing to pay up, this is what the market is for Luongo. Down the road Gillis can flip salary relief into a free agent for an acquisition.

I stand by my call he will be moved sooner than later.
- TrueGrit

Maybe. If Gillis drops his demands for what he wants in return for Luser. Luser does have a NMC, so he definetly has a say as to where he goes, which doesn't make things easier for Gillis.

Same here. I live in a farming community just outside of Rockford. Lots of talk of farmers turning in insurance claims and mowing down fields.
- EKolb13

Last year in some states, the fall was so wet that farmers could not harvest corn and about 50% went unharvested. Would be tough two years in a row.

Will also boge up deer season for the second year in a row.

(frank).

Disagree Rick. Luongo has already said he'd prefer to play in a place where there is some pressure and some butts in the seats, even if they are corporate no show butts.

Burrows is a good suggestion in your scenario as he's entering his contract year and will be in line for a huge raise next year. I'm more inclined to think if there's a player going the other way it may be Booth or most likely he'll try to unload Raymond.
- djd

Like cutting your nose off to spite your face...

Burrows is a big bargain at only $2 mill for this season but Gillis is in a corner.

Same here. I live in a farming community just outside of Rockford. Lots of talk of farmers turning in insurance claims and mowing down fields.
- EKolb13

Corn usually goes down in September to make way for winter wheat...and here it is the end of July and the corn is dead...so you have to mow it down and use it to cover the field to protect it from the sun... And hope rain comes before time to plant the wheat...

the point is-and I would like to keep this a little more civil- those guys scored some 8-10 points their first few games back from concussions- and they dont have a Hossa or Kane on their wing every game.

Look, I love Jonathon Toews. He just hasnt had much of a playoff the last few years. I've said allllll along that I want 2nd line center and better goaltending. I also feel that those guys arent readily available to us (ogi's COL deal notwithstanding). So I mention that our best players toews/hoss/Keith need to be better (i think the numbers indicate, if not prove, that). This isnt laughable, silly, ridiculous, or ignorant. It isnt even that profound. And it has nothing to do with my sports background.
- miked23

Sorry, month end Monday syndrome, poop makes me crazy

But Malkin, Staal, Neal are kind of good and Philly has a buncha secondary scoring. I would argue that 5 games missed due to injury/concussion is significantly different than 23. And Crosby was given all the time in the world to get ready, Toews not so much. It's debatable sorry for being a Richard.

Either way none of those 3 were able to carry their team to a Stanley Cup this year and Kopitar couldn't sniff the playoffs until Richards and Carter came along and I give Quick more credit than anyone else on that team for the run they went on.

I feel like a lack of reliable depth is more problematic than the core not being super excellent night in and out.

Last year in some states, the fall was so wet that farmers could not harvest corn and about 50% went unharvested. Would be tough two years in a row.

Will also boge up deer season for the second year in a row.
- John Jaeckel

That's OK. This country already produces infinitely more corn than it should, or than it needs. It's so over planted it's not even funny.

(frank).
- Ogilthorpe2

Yep...

Good morning Ogie!

Last year in some states, the fall was so wet that farmers could not harvest corn and about 50% went unharvested. Would be tough two years in a row.

Will also boge up deer season for the second year in a row.
- John Jaeckel

From what they are saying here, only the soy beans can be salvaged to a great extent if there is a lot of rain the next 2-3 weeks.

Last year in some states, the fall was so wet that farmers could not harvest corn and about 50% went unharvested. Would be tough two years in a row.

Will also boge up deer season for the second year in a row.
- John Jaeckel

You do much deer hunting JJ?

First the overall point you make could be correct—he will get moved sooner.

BUT, a lot of what you build the argument on is either false or overstated.

There is almost no market for him now. That's the point. I DO agree Gillis makes a bit of a gamble waiting til the trade deadline, but as the market for Lu is down to 1-2 teams anyway, what does he have to lose? Further, likely BOTH of those teams will still need a goalie at the deadline!

Also, I don't have the stats in front of me, but in terms of the number of trades made, it sure seems to me that more get made the last 72 hours before the trade deadline than all summer long.
- John Jaeckel

The one thing he has to lose is the risk that either or both of the teams do not need/want the goalie. More importantly, the bigger risk is that Luongo becomes a bigger distraction and needs to be moved at/by the deadline and as such his price actually becomes less. The only way Gillis wins is if Schneider gets hurt and he needs Lou to be a number one again.

I will not pretend to know, but lets say there are offers out there, and maybe you know names or rough value (in form of player, prospect, picks (what round)). How much greater will those offers appreciate? What is likelihood or probability of an offer with more appreciable value? What I am saying is that you buy a stock at 50 bucks a share and now its at 90, but your goal was 100. What do you risk to get the last 10 points?

I totally agree that it could play out as you say; however, I do not think I am overstating too much. My assumption is that as a grown man and professional, Luongo would like to move on sooner than later and the longer it takes, the bigger the distraction. I could be wrong and he and Gillis may have established common expectations.

That's OK. This country already produces infinitely more corn than it should, or than it needs. It's so over planted it's not even funny.
- Ogilthorpe2

True!

Almost quarter to 9 CST and no one has made a post?
- EKolb13

Just got back in town from an impromptu trip.

Nothing to see here folks, move along, nothing to see here.

You do much deer hunting JJ?
- southernhawk

Yessir, I do, went out probably 15 days last year and didn't get squat. Usually I get 1-2. Also started hunting hogs this year, too. My partner's gotten 3 but I'm 0-fer.

Gonna hit it hard (work permitting) during bow season this year, try to get something for the freezer at least. I now have about half a dozen good spots I have access to in 2 states.

Last year was disastrous as the corn was still up where I hunted in early December.

That's OK. This country already produces infinitely more corn than it should, or than it needs. It's so over planted it's not even funny.
- Ogilthorpe2

Then sell it oversees. Just don't use it for fuel.

The real reason its overplanted is due to the dumbass reason that sugar has been replaced by ... high fructose corn syrup. "You can't swing a dead cat without hitting..." ... a product made with high fructose corn syrup.

Had to do the Carla Tortelli dead cat swing thing.

The one thing he has to lose is the risk that either or both of the teams do not need/want the goalie. More importantly, the bigger risk is that Luongo becomes a bigger distraction and needs to be moved at/by the deadline and as such his price actually becomes less. The only way Gillis wins is if Schneider gets hurt and he needs Lou to be a number one again.

I will not pretend to know, but lets say there are offers out there, and maybe you know names or rough value (in form of player, prospect, picks (what round)). How much greater will those offers appreciate? What is likelihood or probability of an offer with more appreciable value? What I am saying is that you buy a stock at 50 bucks a share and now its at 90, but your goal was 100. What do you risk to get the last 10 points?

I totally agree that it could play out as you say; however, I do not think I am overstating too much. My assumption is that as a grown man and professional, Luongo would like to move on sooner than later and the longer it takes, the bigger the distraction. I could be wrong and he and Gillis may have established common expectations.
- TrueGrit

I have thought of the Schneider injury angle as well.

As faras the offers appreciating. They almoist HAVE to. The value of the offers is driven by the amount of demand (and supply). Will there be an as good or better goalie available in February? No.

In all likelihood Chicago and Toronto (or just Chicago, if TO gets Bernier) will STILL be in the market in February, and probably 1-2 more teams at least. Just by simple math, the market will probably be better for Lu. EVERY year, there are teams looking for goalies at the deadline.

Now, on the distraction factor. Everything I hear points to a delay in starting the season—12/1. So all Gillis really has to do is carry Lu for 2-3 months, ask him to play good solider while he works on a deal—and if Schneider gets hurt, what an insurance policy.

The likely delay of the start of the season explains so much . . . the inactivity of so many teams right now, the Hawks' nonsense about Saad, etc. It's probably all talk. They likely aren't playing the first two months of the season anyway.

Gillis has to deal him—and you're right, it could likely be soner rather thanlater— but he doesn't have a gun to his head as much as some think. Meanwhile, no team is going to overpay for the contract. It's a classic Catch-22. The ONLY way I see Lu getting moved now is if Gillis AND another GM get flexible and creative. And in theory, that GM could be/should be Stan Bowman. In practice, I kinda doubt it.

Yessir, I do, went out probably 15 days last year and didn't get squat. Usually I get 1-2. Also started hunting hogs this year, too. My partner's gotten 3 but I'm 0-fer.

Gonna hit it hard (work permitting) during bow season this year, try to get something for the freezer at least. I now have about half a dozen good spots I have access to in 2 states.

Last year was disastrous as the corn was still up where I hunted in early December.
- John Jaeckel

me too...wild hogs have taken over down here....and its been so freaking hot the damn mosquitoes have just about ruined the first part of the season...been wanting to get up there to Pike co. To do some hunting I keep hearing that you guys have some monsters up there

Good morning everyone...

JJ , whats your top guy saying about Doan ?

Then sell it oversees. Just don't use it for fuel.

The real reason its overplanted is due to the dumbass reason that sugar has been replaced by ... high fructose corn syrup. "You can't swing a dead cat without hitting..." ... a product made with high fructose corn syrup.

Had to do the Carla Tortelli dead cat swing thing.
- blackhawk24

Let's try to avoid this devolving into politics. BUT . . .

HFCS.

Thanks to the corn and agriculture lobby and their dupes at the USDA, almost singlehandedly driving up rates of type 2 diabetes (and this cardiovascular disease) here in the US. Which we are all paying for, whether we get it or not. Even corn, by itself, or in the form of corn chips, corn meal, etc., is the basis for bad diets. Corn has a very high glycemic content relative to other vegetables. Bad business all the way around.