I could see the league starting the season on time without a new agreement - if Fehr and the players sign a legal agreement not to go on strike at any time during the season or playoffs. But that probably won't happen.
Ya, the owners have a ridiculous opening offer on the table. But if the revenue split is 57% currently and you want to settle at 50% why not start at 43%?

I really like the calm, unemotional tone of Fehr's voice, this isn't his first rodeo.

And would I ever like him to undress the little emporor Bettman.
- RickJ

Unless Fehr doesn't think he has as much control over the players as he lets on.

Unless Fehr doesn't think he has as much control over the players as he lets on.
- StLBravesFan

He's not worrying about that on Aug 2. He will need to if it gets to Nov or Dec. when paychecks start being missed and players think about playing in Europe or elsewhere. Plenty of players never played another NHL game after the lost season in 2004.

Tampon.
- EKolb13

and possibly related to disgraced "Kotex Boy" Jay Mariotti ?

and possibly related to disgraced "Kotex Boy" Jay Mariotti ?
- philco28

Maybe?

Remember most franchises are net losers. On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

Well . . . maybe.

Owning a sports team is a lot like real estate. You have various "depreciating assets" and rent (ticket revenue along with concessions, parking, souvenirs and the like) as cash flow coming in.

It's great -- you get to show a loss on your tax return while you rake in all the dough.

I've been out of the "accounting game" for a while now but that's how it works. And why no one should cry for Rocky when articles are published and he talks about the organ-I-zation losing money.

Well . . . maybe.

Owning a sports team is a lot like real estate. You have various "depreciating assets" and rent (ticket revenue along with concessions, parking, souvenirs and the like) as cash flow coming in.

It's great -- you get to show a loss on your tax return while you rake in all the dough.

I've been out of the "accounting game" for a while now but that's how it works. And why no one should cry for Rocky when articles are published and he talks about the organ-I-zation losing money.
- savvyone-1

At the end of the day it's still a loss and by far most either show a loss or a small on going gain which doesn't amount to much but...

Hawks are only in the "red" becasue of $$ borrowed pre Toews/Kane... according to Forbes the Hawks bring more $$ down to the bottom line than many franchises.

As long as NHL revenues keep increasing and popularity rises franchises values will keep going up.

Those demands are GREEDY...he'd be making a full million more than Tazer and that is a NON-STARTER for me. Love Doan, but he's pretty phucking full of himself by the look of it. He can afford to be though. He's a HIGH CHARACTER, GRITTY, STILL PRODUCTIVE leader...but $7.5 per for 4.....he's DREAMING.
- philco28

Can't look at it this way buddy as much as I get what you're saying about 'the captain'.

- Toews deal was signed in Dec, 2009.
- The market was different (lesser median salary) in Dec, 2009 than now.
- He signed when there was a big buzz with an up-and-coming team.
- His signing was in concert with Kane and Keith.
- He signed when he was still on his ELC and not a 15-yr veteran.

All those things matter in addition to the silliness that's gone about the last 2 summers' FA period.

Well . . . maybe.

Owning a sports team is a lot like real estate. You have various "depreciating assets" and rent (ticket revenue along with concessions, parking, souvenirs and the like) as cash flow coming in.

It's great -- you get to show a loss on your tax return while you rake in all the dough.

I've been out of the "accounting game" for a while now but that's how it works. And why no one should cry for Rocky when articles are published and he talks about the organ-I-zation losing money.
- savvyone-1

He's a billionaire from the liquor distributorship and commercial real-estate. Hockey is a hobby.

The Blackhawks have 14 to 1 odds to win the cup.

http://starsblog.dallasne...n-after-free-agency.html/

It's a slow (frank)ing day.

The Blackhawks have 14 to 1 odds to win the cup.

http://starsblog.dallasne...n-after-free-agency.html/

It's a slow (frank)ing day.
- EKolb13

How can Detroit be 15/1? If they don't make any additional moves it's feasible that they could miss the playoffs, especially if they sustain any significant injuries.

The Blackhawks have 14 to 1 odds to win the cup.

http://starsblog.dallasne...n-after-free-agency.html/

It's a slow (frank)ing day.
- EKolb13

Minny went from 75/1 to 18/1 ......

How can Detroit be 15/1? If they don't make any additional moves it's feasible that they could miss the playoffs, especially if they sustain any significant injuries.
- DarthKane

They have the name and hardly anyone bets the NHL this time of year.

He's a billionaire from the liquor distributorship and commercial real-estate. Hockey is a hobby.
- blackhawk24

the value is in the appreciating asset that is the hawks franchise if it were to be sold

I dont think the wirtz family woud ever consider selling but look what the cubs have sold for over the years

Can't look at it this way buddy as much as I get what you're saying about 'the captain'.

- Toews deal was signed in Dec, 2009.
- The market was different (lesser median salary) in Dec, 2009 than now.
- He signed when there was a big buzz with an up-and-coming team.
- His signing was in concert with Kane and Keith.
- He signed when he was still on his ELC and not a 15-yr veteran.

All those things matter in addition to the silliness that's gone about the last 2 summers' FA period.
- blackhawk24

EXACTLY. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm sure Toews deal back then took up more percentage of the cap then Doan's would now.

Also a reason why a guy like Bouwmeester has been garnering interest. A few years ago he was dreadfully overpaid. Now, his percentage on the overall cap isn't all that bad.

How can Detroit be 15/1? If they don't make any additional moves it's feasible that they could miss the playoffs, especially if they sustain any significant injuries.
- DarthKane

This is not based on how good the team is or where the experts expect them to finish: it is based on how the public has / will place their bets.

The Blackhawks have 14 to 1 odds to win the cup.

http://starsblog.dallasne...n-after-free-agency.html/

It's a slow (frank)ing day.
- EKolb13

Carolina at 22/1 and Caps at 25/1 is terrific value.

I cant remember the last time the sharks were that low at 20/1

Carolina at 22/1 and Caps at 25/1 is terrific value.

I cant remember the last time the sharks were that low at 20/1
- Bhawks35

...yep that high..


Not a good summer for Doug Wilson so far.

the value is in the appreciating asset that is the hawks franchise if it were to be sold

I dont think the wirtz family woud ever consider selling but look what the cubs have sold for over the years
- molly2522

Having ownership rights in the UC plus almost all the surrounding land is huge.

EXACTLY. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm sure Toews deal back then took up more percentage of the cap then Doan's would now.

Also a reason why a guy like Bouwmeester has been garnering interest. A few years ago he was dreadfully overpaid. Now, his percentage on the overall cap isn't all that bad.
- Bhawks35

First year of 19/88's new deal was 10-11, cap was 59.4, cap hits were 6.3, % is 10.6% each player. Coming year, say Doan gets 7.5, cap is now 70.2, % would be 10.7%.

So the % cap hit is essentially the same, but in Dec, 2009 the 'Hawks HAD TO get the ball rolling on those 3 guys; 2/19/88. Of course in classic McD fashion, they had a hat-trick player signing news conference.

...yep that high..


Not a good summer for Doug Wilson so far.
- Al

He was my favourite player for years, hence my user name, but as a GM and the fact he still holds bad feelings about the Savvy deal and his own departure, now coupled in with overtly screwing over the 'Hawks with the Hammer OS, he can take a flying phuck on a rolling donut.

Having ownership rights in the UC plus almost all the surrounding land is huge.
- Al

Not as many owners have that luxury as one might think.

Can't look at it this way buddy as much as I get what you're saying about 'the captain'.

- Toews deal was signed in Dec, 2009.
- The market was different (lesser median salary) in Dec, 2009 than now.
- He signed when there was a big buzz with an up-and-coming team.
- His signing was in concert with Kane and Keith.
- He signed when he was still on his ELC and not a 15-yr veteran.

All those things matter in addition to the silliness that's gone about the last 2 summers' FA period.
- blackhawk24

Good points bro


And I do understand the dynamic between what the scenario and market conditions were THEN and NOW. My worry would be...what if Tazer or anyone else would suddenly want to renegotiate if they saw a twilight guy like Doan sign a deal like the one he is reportedly seeking ? We all know that Tazer's INTERGRITY is 2nd to NONE....but with agents these days...you never know.

Good points bro


And I do understand the dynamic between what the scenario and market conditions were THEN and NOW. My worry would be...what if Tazer or anyone else would suddenly want to renegotiate if they saw a twilight guy like Doan sign a deal like the one he is reportedly seeking ? We all know that Tazer's INTERGRITY is 2nd to NONE....but with agents these days...you never know.
- philco28

Well, #19 is going into year 3 of a 5-yr deal having a $6.3M cap hit. Taking CBA stuff out of it and any potential rollback - which I'm not sure would happen anyway - we're talking about that happening no sooner than about 2 years from now. There'd be even more of an increase in the cap so him wanting upwards of $10M for '15-'16 isn't out of the question, given the growth rate of AAV contracts the past 3 summers.

Well, #19 is going into year 3 of a 5-yr deal having a $6.3M cap hit. Taking CBA stuff out of it and any potential rollback - which I'm not sure would happen anyway - we're talking about that happening no sooner than about 2 years from now. There'd be even more of an increase in the cap so him wanting upwards of $10M for '15-'16 isn't out of the question, given the growth rate of AAV contracts the past 3 summers.
- blackhawk24

I confess i'm not really interested or familiar with the current CBA rules with regard to renegotiating contracts. I remember someone here writing renegotiating was pretty much forbidden. If that's the case, my concerns are a moot point.

I confess i'm not really interested or familiar with the current CBA rules with regard to renegotiating contracts. I remember someone here writing renegotiating was pretty much forbidden. If that's the case, my concerns are a moot point.
- philco28

The more important concern, IMO, is that they can't put a winning team around him (and Kane, if he's still here) so that they both walk when they become UFAs.