2 years 4.5M

AAV 2.25M

Sound good?
- stveshdy

Sounds like somebody follows HockeyyInsiderr

Sounds like somebody follows HockeyyInsiderr
- Jsaquella

I'm really basing it off of what his past deal was like MJL stated. You interested at that cost?

You interested at that cost & years?
- stveshdy

Put it this way. I'm far more interested in that, then in trading for Bouwmeester.

omg flyers next up in 30 in 30!!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=81809

Put it this way. I'm far more interested in that, then in trading for Bouwmeester.
- MJL

Me to. I really have no interest in Bouwmeester and hope he lands in Detroit.

Supposedly Carolina is offering 4 years. I would be very wary of going more than two years. He's been more healthy the last few years than when he was a Leaf, but he still is missing 12-15 games a year
- Jsaquella

If that is true, my question would then be, why hasn't he accepted the deal?

Knowing that we don't know the answer to that.

I'm really basing it off of what his past deal was like MJL stated.
- stveshdy

I saw somebody RT the exact same terms on twitter a few hours ago.

I've always been open to Colaiacovo, myself.

If that is true, my question would then be, why hasn't he accepted the deal?

Knowing that we don't know the answer to that.
- MJL

We have no idea if Carolina's made that sort of commitment, either.

Just like we can't be certain that the asking price for Bouwmeester is Read, Laughton and a 1st.

If the 'Canes did offer that, Carlo should have jumped at it

I saw somebody RT the exact same terms on twitter a few hours ago.

I've always been open to Colaiacovo, myself.
- Jsaquella

I think it makes sense. Two years where the team can feel comfortable and giving him a raise from this past year. I would be more inclined to making that move than trading for Jay-Bo.

What are the assets that we have to give up for Bouwmeester? Yes, I'd absolutely rather overpay in assets for a player like Yandle.

Let me ask you a simple question. Would you honestly be interested in Bouwmeester, if they didn't have the injuries?
- MJL

Not my first choice. Bouwmeester that is. But he is still a good, young player. I prefer proven assets over unproven assets (unless we are taking about surefire unproven assets). Cousins might be a 3rd liner one day and we have Laughton in the system to cover his departure. The first.... like I said..worse case I give it up. I think like Carle and Mez did.... jaybo will improve on the flyers from what he produced on his prior team.


I guess we differ here... I don't want to give up Couturier + for yandle. I'd rather get an overpaid jaybo for much less to fill in for two seasons. I think he'd fill in just fine.

We have no idea if Carolina's made that sort of commitment, either.

Just like we can't be certain that the asking price for Bouwmeester is Read, Laughton and a 1st.

If the 'Canes did offer that, Carlo should have jumped at it
- Jsaquella

Homer needs to hold ground b/c teams know he might be desperate to overpay for a defenseman. I wouldnt be against rolling the dice with Bourdon, Gus, Grevais, and Manning.

Not my first choice. Bouwmeester that is. But he is still a good, young player. I prefer proven assets over unproven assets (unless we are taking about surefire unproven assets). Cousins might be a 3rd liner one day and we have Laughton in the system to cover his departure. The first.... like I said..worse case I give it up. I think like Carle and Mez did.... jaybo will improve on the flyers from what he produced on his prior team.


I guess we differ here... I don't want to give up Couturier + for yandle. I'd rather get an overpaid jaybo for much less to fill in for two seasons. I think he'd fill in just fine.
- moylander

First of all, your assuming that a first and Cousins would get you Bouwmeester. We don't know that.
I don't doubt for a second that Bouwmeester would improve the Flyers. There is no doubt about that in my opinion.

But you really didn't answer the one question. If the Flyers weren't so shorthanded due to injuries on the defense. Would you still be interested in trading for Bouwmeester?

Lastly, losing a top prospect is losing a top prospect. Laughton doesn't cover up for losing Cousins.

We have no idea if Carolina's made that sort of commitment, either.

Just like we can't be certain that the asking price for Bouwmeester is Read, Laughton and a 1st.

If the 'Canes did offer that, Carlo should have jumped at it
- Jsaquella

Agreed. So if we can speculate. Either Carolina hasn't made the offer. Or if they did. Then it would seem that Carlo is holding out to play somewhere else.

There will be other moves available later in the Season where you don't have to drastically overpay a player. It's not Bouwmeester or bust.
- MJL

I don't disagree one way or the other. I understand both sides. If the Flyers traded for Jbo, I'd understand and respect their rationale, and Vic versa.

I lean more towards the mind set you have though

I don't disagree one way or the other. I understand both sides. If the Flyers traded for Jbo, I'd understand and respect their rationale, and Vic versa.

I lean more towards the mind set you have though
- mochoson

Bouwmeester would be ripped apart in Philly at that price. If you think Carle was the whipping boy then Bouwmeester will be on milk carton's before the years out.

omg flyers next up in 30 in 30!!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=81809
- Crimsoninja

damn, dude, thought you meant the ESPN series

Speaking of Hockeyy Insiderr Jsq. here are some facts on his cred. (not that you questioned it)

http://hiislegit.wordpres...hockeyyinsiderr-is-legit/

I just hope the Flyers don't overpay for Bouwmeester. I hope they avoid him.

damn, dude, thought you meant the ESPN series
- KINGKENZO

ya i wish

all those recently popped onto netflix. ive watched a few.
hit or miss, imo

ya i wish

all those recently popped onto netflix. ive watched a few.
hit or miss, imo
- Crimsoninja

ANDREW BYNUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of Hockeyy Insiderr Jsq. here are some facts on his cred.

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I just hope the Flyers don't overpay for Bouwmeester. I hope they avoid him.
- stveshdy

I don't buy anyone who is anonymous, especially when they get defended by another anonymous writer. He's fine for stirring up talk, but I've seen him lift stuff directly from Eklund, Sam Carchidi and Panaccio without crediting them.

Here is my view on Bouwmeester in a nutshell. Right now on paper, I would not want to go into the playoffs with the Flyers defense as currently constructed. However it is August. And the playoffs are 8 months away. I do think they can go into the regular season with the defense as is. And see what the kids got. So although there is certainly concern. There is no need to panic.

So in looking at dealing for Bouwmeester. Remove the injury equation for just a second. And I know that's not reality. But that's how the Flyers should approach it. Would you make a deal for Bouwmeester, with that Cap hit. Giving up substantial assets to acquire him, if it wasn't for the injuries? My answer is a a resounding no!

If it was March, and they needed to make a move for the stretch, that's a different story. But it's August. Don't overpay both in terms of assets such as a top prospect or top picks. As well as accepting a player whose Cap hit is drastically high for the player he is. It's just not a good idea.

First of all, your assuming that a first and Cousins would get you Bouwmeester. We don't know that.
I don't doubt for a second that Bouwmeester would improve the Flyers. There is no doubt about that in my opinion.

But you really didn't answer the one question. If the Flyers weren't so shorthanded due to injuries on the defense. Would you still be interested in trading for Bouwmeester?

Lastly, losing a top prospect is losing a top prospect. Laughton doesn't cover up for losing Cousins.
- MJL

If it cost more than cousins and a 1st I would not be interested in bouwmeester. If it cost that or less I'd take him with or without Mez in the lineup. There are certainly more routes to take to improve the defense and I don't think the flyers need to jump on bouwmeester.... but for the right price I'm not turning him away because he makes too much money with 2 years left on his contract. Jmo.

Losing a top prospect like cousins is not even close to the same as losing a top prospect like yakupov.

I don't buy anyone who is anonymous, especially when they get defended by another anonymous writer. He's fine for stirring up talk, but I've seen him lift stuff directly from Eklund, Sam Carchidi and Panaccio without crediting them.
- Jsaquella

Very possible. I don't know whether or not to believe him.

If it cost more than cousins and a 1st I would not be interested in bouwmeester. If it cost that or less I'd take him with or without Mez in the lineup. There are certainly more routes to take to improve the defense and I don't think the flyers need to jump on bouwmeester.... but for the right price I'm not turning him away because he makes too much money with 2 years left on his contract. Jmo.

Losing a top prospect like cousins is not even close to the same as losing a top prospect like yakupov.
- moylander

I never mentioned Yakupov. Nor was I comparing one prospect to another. That really has zero to do with it.

Here is my view on Bouwmeester in a nutshell. Right now on paper, I would not want to go into the playoffs with the Flyers defense as currently constructed. However it is August. And the playoffs are 8 months away. I do think they can go into the regular season with the defense as is. And see what the kids got. So although there is certainly concern. There is no need to panic.

So in looking at dealing for Bouwmeester. Remove the injury equation for just a second. And I know that's not reality. But that's how the Flyers should approach it. Would you make a deal for Bouwmeester, with that Cap hit. Giving up substantial assets to acquire him, if it wasn't for the injuries? My answer is a a resounding no!

If it was March, and they needed to make a move for the stretch, that's a different story. But it's August. Don't overpay both in terms of assets such as a top prospect or top picks. As well as accepting a player whose Cap hit is drastically high for the player he is. It's just not a good idea.
- MJL

I would agree.