Along the same lines, Bouwmeester is a player that is a good player in all 3 zones. But he doesn't excel in anyone area. He's not dominant offensively, or defensively. Not a huge physical player, or a big shot blocker. Jack of all trades, master of none.
- MJL

Exactly... he would be the perfect #2. A guy who would make that #1 even better, but wouldnt steal the spot light.

If he made 5-5.5 mill teams would be lining up for him..


He is a bigger Matt Carle

I'm not a fan either, but he is still a good player. He just not as good as his Cap hit would suggest.
- MJL

He's decent offensively but soft. Despite his size, it would be like paying Matt Carle that salary... + trading for him.

There is a lot of talk about the fact that he's been playing a defense first system and that's hurt his numbers, that he needs a change of scenery. There is a little merit to this line of thinking. But it still does not justify his cap hit.

Two years at that cap hit, not worth it to me. Lets go into the season with that money and let the kids play. They can always upgrade during the season when more players become available.
- stveshdy

if you consider the fact that Kimo's contract comes off the books and its not a given he returns or a viable replacement is found, JBlo's caphit might not be so bad next year. With mez most likely not being back till playoffs, you have like 8 mill between his cap hit and Pronger's of LTIR, not sure if this is feasible but I'm sure someone here will know, and I'd like to hear.

does J Bo have a no trade? he is from Calgary
- vejim

I believe he does.

I believe he does.
- stveshdy

does he want to stay in the Kensington of the NHL tho?

He's decent offensively but soft. Despite his size, it would be like paying Matt Carle that salary... + trading for him.

There is a lot of talk about the fact that he's been playing a defense first system and that's hurt his numbers, that he needs a change of scenery. There is a little merit to this line of thinking. But it still does not justify his cap hit.
- flyler

Coburn/JBo
Timonen/ Grossman
Schenn/Gervias


Not suggesting they pull the trigger (especially if the requested return is above a prospect and a second) but that D is looken pretty good. I put Timonen on the 2nd tier so he could get less minutes.

Just say'en haters.

I would think the sticking point for Homer would be trading a #1 for J Bo

if you consider the fact that Kimo's contract comes off the books and its not a given he returns or a viable replacement is found, JBlo's caphit might not be so bad next year. With mez most likely not being back till playoffs, you have like 8 mill between his cap hit and Pronger's of LTIR, not sure if this is feasible but I'm sure someone here will know, and I'd like to hear.
- JoeRussomanno

They can do better than Jay-Bo at that cost. Even with Timonen gone I dont want Jay-Bo and that ridiculous cap hit next year.

does he want to stay in the Kensington of the NHL tho?
- JoeRussomanno

Not sure but I think Jay-Bo ends up in Detroit. Atleast I'm praying for that.

He's decent offensively but soft. Despite his size, it would be like paying Matt Carle that salary... + trading for him.

There is a lot of talk about the fact that he's been playing a defense first system and that's hurt his numbers, that he needs a change of scenery. There is a little merit to this line of thinking. But it still does not justify his cap hit.
- flyler

I don't think that Bouwmeester is soft. I just think he's not as physical as a player with the frame should be, or should I say what you want him to be. Soft to me means that a player is pushed around, avoids making plays where contact is going to happen, and can be intimidated. That's not Bouwmeester in my opinion.

does he want to stay in the Kensington of the NHL tho?
- JoeRussomanno

can you imagine all the houses J Bo could buy in Kensington with the money he makes

if you consider the fact that Kimo's contract comes off the books and its not a given he returns or a viable replacement is found, JBlo's caphit might not be so bad next year. With mez most likely not being back till playoffs, you have like 8 mill between his cap hit and Pronger's of LTIR, not sure if this is feasible but I'm sure someone here will know, and I'd like to hear.
- JoeRussomanno

LTIR exemption for a player that is expected to return at some point is only temporary. But they have enough between the cap space they already have, and LTIR exemption for Pronger, to add Bouwmeester. That's in season. Off season Cap I'm not sure about.

He's decent offensively but soft. Despite his size, it would be like paying Matt Carle that salary... + trading for him.

There is a lot of talk about the fact that he's been playing a defense first system and that's hurt his numbers, that he needs a change of scenery. There is a little merit to this line of thinking. But it still does not justify his cap hit.
- flyler

I agree, but what if we did trade for him and he was putting up better numbers.. say:

80gp- 11 goals-35 assists- 46 points- +24 - 23:00 toi

would you think about it then?

can you imagine all the houses J Bo could buy in Kensington with the money he makes
- vejim

LTIR exemption for a player that is expected to return at some point is only temporary. But they have enough between the cap space they already have, and LTIR exemption for Pronger, to add Bouwmeester. That's in season. Off season Cap I'm not sure about.
- MJL

I'm not rallying for them to do it, but if that is the move they think is best and considering the circumstances, I wouldn't vehemently object as I would have a month ago. Thanks for the info too, I wasn't sure

I agree, but what if we did trade for him and he was putting up better numbers.. say:

80gp- 11 goals-35 assists- 46 points- +24 - 23:00 toi

would you think about it then?
- jak521

you think like Homer, J Bo is the target of Homer...IMO

I'm not rallying for them to do it, but if that is the move they think is best and considering the circumstances, I wouldn't vehemently object as I would have a month ago. Thanks for the info too, I wasn't sure
- JoeRussomanno

6.68M cap hit for the next two years. Rumors around the net say the Flames want a lot in return. Not giving up a 1st for Jay-Bo b/c I dont see him being that much of a difference maker. Just my thoughts.

6.68M cap hit for the next two years. Rumors around the net say the Flames want a lot in return. Not giving up a 1st for Jay-Bo b/c I dont see him being that much of a difference maker. Just my thoughts.
- stveshdy

thing is, the flyers lack a bonafide puck mover who can stay healthy all year. Right now you're looking at Kimo coming off back surgery and then Coburn as your mainstays at puck movement. Then next year who knows what's gonna happen with Kimo. IF you add Jbo you can still find out what you have with the youngsters cause believe me when I tell you, someone on that blueline is going to be injured at some point. If you're willing to risk a losing season, then fine. If you want to solidify the blueline in hopes of having everything come together in a playoff run like what happened for LA, then maybe you make the move. Trading to fix a weakness from a position of strength is never a bad thing provided you get decent return. I think JBo would be a reasonable return just not happy with the cap-hit.

you think like Homer, J Bo is the target of Homer...IMO
- vejim

Man I hope not. People didnt want to trade for Ryan at $5M who scores 30 goals a year but are willing to add Jay-Bo at 6.68M whos not even close in production to warrant that kind of money. Pass.

Man I hope not. People didnt want to trade for Ryan at $5M who scores 30 goals a year but are willing to add Jay-Bo at 6.68M whos not even close in production to warrant that kind of money. Pass.
- stveshdy

cause you don't need another scoring forward, you need help on the blueline. Getting Bobby Ryan isn't giving you significantly more than what the Flyers have now: offense.

thing is, the flyers lack a bonafide puck mover who can stay healthy all year. Right now you're looking at Kimo coming off back surgery and then Coburn as your mainstays at puck movement. Then next year who knows what's gonna happen with Kimo. IF you add Jbo you can still find out what you have with the youngsters cause believe me when I tell you, someone on that blueline is going to be injured at some point. If you're willing to risk a losing season, then fine. If you want to solidify the blueline in hopes of having everything come together in a playoff run like what happened for LA, then maybe you make the move. Trading to fix a weakness from a position of strength is never a bad thing provided you get decent return. I think JBo would be a reasonable return just not happy with the cap-hit.
- JoeRussomanno

There will be other defenseman available during the season. They dont have to get Jay-Bo to upgrade on defense.

There will be other defenseman available during the season. They dont have to get Jay-Bo to upgrade on defense.
- stveshdy

ok who will be available?

cause you don't need another scoring forward, you need help on the blueline. Getting Bobby Ryan isn't giving you significantly more than what the Flyers have now: offense.
- JoeRussomanno

I dont see it with Jay-Bo. The Flyers will have Gervais, Gus, Manning, and Bourdon who can all give you solid minutes. Jay-Bo is a fraud and not worth the price.

ok who will be available?
- JoeRussomanno

How can I answer that question today? Look at last year before the deadline the Flyers acquired two defenseman (Grossmann and Kubina).

you think like Homer, J Bo is the target of Homer...IMO
- vejim

Here is the way I look at it.. How would I use them, and what could I realistically expect. Is it worth it?

When he was in Florida he played a more offensive game in a more offensive system, but with a team that had zero offensive stars and yet his stats were pretty good...

Look at the stat line from his last year in Florida and then compare it to his first in Cgy...

82g-15g-27a-42p--2- 182 shots on net.

82gm-3g-26a-29p--4- 150 shots on net

A 30 shot change in one season, and the lowest since his rookie year.. hmm

Look at that stat from this past season.. 107 shots... a career low.

Cgy is using him in a defensive system.

I think if he were to be used in a more offensive system, where he was the trigger man at the point.. his totals would jump right back to where they were..

However.. 6.8 mil for a damn who isnt exactly a Norris Candidate is a tough pill to swallow.