Stomey be mangeuxdebating!
- Dgrdnr

Gormley is another reason the Yotes will be able to trade Yandle for some offense and still have solid D, by far the best D prospects are in Phoenix......Ekman-Larsson, Runblad, Gormley thats the future of the team, they'll be in good Hands even if Doan leaves, what they should do is sign Doan and trade him maybe next year for some draft picks and trade Yandle too that'll be enough to fill their Forward positions for the future

For every Fleury there are 10 Dan Hodgsons and Glen Goodalls.
Fleury, St. Louis and Gionta were better skaters than this kid is.
- yemrots

i'm not saying that every short player is gonna be great, i'm simply saying that it's not surprising to see that "short" players, who are very very good, are often picked later in the draft. to simply say that someone can't be a top prospect simply because he is short and was picked late (as the person did who i responded to) is ridiculous.

Yet went in the 5th round....and was the 11th player picked out of the Q this year.

Yet somehow QP has him ranked ahead of the other 10.

I don't care where he was ranked at the start of the year. 30 GM's and scouting staffs passed on him in favor of over a hundred other prospects....3 months ago....at then end of the season.
- yemrots

he was actually drafted 15 months ago....this may come as a surprise, but sometimes players develop and get better. look at mark stone (in ottawa's system). he was picked in the 7th round, and 1 year later was the star of team canada at the world jr's, and is one of the higher rated prospects in all of hockey. it happens.

as for why he was passed over, if you think that the MAJOR factor wasn't his size, then you're naive. the kid CLEARLY has all world talent, which is the reason he can put up ridiculous numbers in one of the best junior leagues in teh world.

i'm not saying the kid is a can't miss nhl player, but simply tossing him aside based on his draft position, as you're clearly doing, is ridiculous.

nice to see the Habs have 4 players in there tho

he was actually drafted 15 months ago....this may come as a surprise, but sometimes players develop and get better. look at mark stone (in ottawa's system). he was picked in the 7th round, and 1 year later was the star of team canada at the world jr's, and is one of the higher rated prospects in all of hockey. it happens.

as for why he was passed over, if you think that the MAJOR factor wasn't his size, then you're naive. the kid CLEARLY has all world talent, which is the reason he can put up ridiculous numbers in one of the best junior leagues in teh world.

i'm not saying the kid is a can't miss nhl player, but simply tossing him aside based on his draft position, as you're clearly doing, is ridiculous.
- sensarmy_11

Who are you talking about? I don't think you two are talking about the same guy.

nice to see the Habs have 4 players in there tho
- Habitants98

of course, no one else scouts the Q haven't you read the "book"?

omg you just compared desharnais to st louis, you homer
- _nay_

go compare their stats, actually Desharnais is growing at a faster pace, when marty started putting up big numbers in the NHL he was playing with Vinny Lecavalier in his prime, unless you think either of Max Pacioretty or Erik Cole compare to Vinny in his prime then its not that much of a stretch, at the very least you should wait till after this season to make it sound like the worst comparison in history

it took St-Louis roughly 4-5 years to get to 70 points, with better linemates, Desharnais's went from 22 in 43 games to 60 in his 2nd year, you can talk all you want about his linemates but the fact is that on most teams Patches and Cole would be a decent 2nd line not first line wingers necessarily

of course he probably wont make it to the 90 point seasons Marty's had because he doesnt take shots so not much scoring will come from DD, but who knows what he could do with a younger better right wing than Cole

go compare their stats, actually Desharnais is growing at a faster pace, when marty started putting up big numbers in the NHL he was playing with Vinny Lecavalier in his prime, unless you think either of Max Pacioretty or Erik Cole compare to Vinny in his prime then its not that much of a stretch, at the very least you should wait till after this season to make it sound like the worst comparison in history

it took St-Louis roughly 4-5 years to get to 70 points, with better linemates, Desharnais's went from 22 in 43 games to 60 in his 2nd year, you can talk all you want about his linemates but the fact is that on most teams Patches and Cole would be a decent 2nd line not first line wingers necessarily

of course he probably wont make it to the 90 points season Marty's had because he doesnt take shots so not much scoring will come from DD, but who knows what he could do with a younger better right wing than Cole
- Habitants98

It took St.Louis till his 3rd NHL season to score 70 points, and had he not been injuried in his second year he was on pace for 60ish.

The thing with the silly comparision is this,

They don't play the same game, they don't play the same position and they don't have a similar skill set, So why Compare them at all?

Oh right, Height and Language, in that respect they are the exact same

It took St.Louis till his 3rd NHL season to score 70 points, and had he not been injuried in his second year he was on pace for 60ish.

The thing with the silly comparision is this,

They don't play the same game, they don't play the same position and they don't have a similar skill set, So why Compare them at all?

Oh right, Height and Language, in that respect they are the exact same
- Oilhab

well in terms of years

98-99 -13gp - 2 pts
99-00 - 56gp - 18pts
00-01 - 78gp - 40pts
01-02 - 53gp - 35pts
then 82 and 70

and in terms of when he started producing those high numbers we're talkin about the timeframe that all of these players (Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Dan Boyle) started to get really good, in comparison on the Habs (including PP since Richards was on another line) there arent any players who compare to those guys, sure Subban has Boyle numbers i guess....thats about it tho

as for how they compare you're right everyone's focus is on size but imo its not just that, they are both pass first players and they have the same kind of vision on the ice, but i mean thats about it Marty is way faster and that plays a big part in his offensive game plus he does have a dangerous accurate wrister these are things DD needs work on, he's elusive as well so he doesnt get destroyed alot which is why he can play so many games, but its not cuz of speed

there is fair comparison with the 2 especially since neither was drafted despite their numbers in junior leages (or NCAA for marty), but hey DD's younger than when Marty started so he's got time to improve

but anyways unlike pecafan im not delusional enough to think he's Giroux-lite lol

Who are you talking about? I don't think you two are talking about the same guy.
- Oilhab

I was talking about pageau, who was the only one i noticed who's height was mentioned, and was a later draft pick......unless he's talking about hudon.

i dont' know anymore.

It took St.Louis till his 3rd NHL season to score 70 points, and had he not been injuried in his second year he was on pace for 60ish.

The thing with the silly comparision is this,

They don't play the same game, they don't play the same position and they don't have a similar skill set, So why Compare them at all?

Oh right, Height and Language, in that respect they are the exact same
- Oilhab

I think i started this ball rolling....the only reason i compared them was because they were both small, undrafted players, who've enjoyed success at the NHL level. wasn't saying desharnais was as good as st louis.

my point was that often times small players are overlooked in the draft, simply cuz they're small, regardless of high end talent.

either way i think the best way to approach things when it comes to DD in general and in the comparison to Marty St-Louis is this

when Marty came into the league, and even after he put up 40 points i bet no one was willing to put money on him putting up 4 seasons of 90+ pts nvm even ONE 80 point season

DD has improved in every single year and every single league he's been in so really its not fair to put a cap to what he can reach until we see it first hand

my point was that often times small players are overlooked in the draft, simply cuz they're small, regardless of high end talent.
- sensarmy_11

fair point, thats definetly true

well in terms of years

98-99 -13gp - 2 pts
99-00 - 56gp - 18pts
00-01 - 78gp - 40pts
01-02 - 53gp - 35pts
then 82 and 70

and in terms of when he started producing those high numbers we're talkin about the timeframe that all of these players (Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Dan Boyle) started to get really good, in comparison on the Habs (including PP since Richards was on another line) there arent any players who compare to those guys, sure Subban has Boyle numbers i guess....thats about it tho

as for how they compare you're right everyone's focus is on size but imo its not just that they are both pass first players and they have the same kind of vision on the ice, but i mean thats about it Marty is way faster and that plays a big part in his offensive game plus he does have a dangerous accurate wrister these are things DD needs work on, he's elusive as well so he doesnt get destroyed alot which is why he can play so many games, but its not cuz of speed

there is fair comparison with the 2 especially since neither was drafted despite their numbers in junior leages (or NCAA for marty), but hey DD's younger than when Marty started so he's got time to improve

but anyways unlike pecafan im not delusional enough to think he's Giroux-lite lol
- Habitants98

I don't know how you can compare St.louis time in Calgary, where he was bused up and down from the A, sat in the press box and when was on the ice was playing 3rd line minutes, to Desharnais who had success with Max in the A, and when they were on the Team together were given high quality minutes to succeed.

It's comparing apples and oranges when looking at the situations they were in and how they were managed. St.louis started to emerge when he was given the chance to play in the situations that fit his style.

fair point, thats definetly true
- Habitants98

Teams play the odds, no point picking the small guy when talented big guys are still on the table, unless the guy has out of this world type talent

I don't know how you can compare St.louis time in Calgary, where he was bused up and down from the A, sat in the press box and when was on the ice was playing 3rd line minutes, to Desharnais who had success with Max in the A, and when they were on the Team together were given high quality minutes to succeed.

It's comparing apples and oranges when looking at the situations they were in and how they were managed. St.louis started to emerge when he was given the chance to play in the situations that fit his style.
- Oilhab

sure its comparable, DD had to prove himself as well on a poopty habs team, St-Louis was also on a poopty Flames team (a team with the highest scorer being Valeri Bure...nuff said), DD wasnt handed first line center, nor was that even the first line to begin with, he got his chance and ran with it, Marty didnt do so till he was Vinny's right wing (which is fine im not hating) but yes in that case you do have to count the Clagary years because its not like the flames were a power house of a team that had depth, plus he played enough games as well, in the end even if your argument is that he gelled with Max, its safe to say that wasn any sort of guarantee at the NHL level, plus once again Max is no Vinny (back then) and even on Tampa it took him till his 3rd year

it brings us back to the fact that there's no way right now to disprove that DD wont keep getting better and surpass his 60 points

if size is the argument against him in this case Marty St-Louis is an example of precedence, in other words it CAN be done, skill is not whats lacking when it comes to DD, there's one thing they do DEFINETLY have in common too....hard workers

at the very least DD is ahead of where Marty was at, at this time in his career

Just curious because throughout pretty much this entire season scouts had the top 3 D in the league listed as Gormley, Beaulieu, Ellis but you have Ellis 4th and Ouellet 3rd.

Just curious as to your reasoning behind this?

Second why not Grigorenko?
- willey101

I think Ouellet is a more complete player. And the chances of his O game translating are higher than Ellis'. He also has a better skating ability.

Soooo......back to Hudon.

What the (frank) has he done in the last couple of months to have him rated ahead of the other 10 kids drafted from the Q ahead of him this year.


I mean other than be drafted by the Habs.

What does QP know that 30 GM's and all there scouting staff know?

He's a slow midget with good hands. Big deal.
- yemrots

Who would you have put ahead of him? Gauthier-Leduc? Roussel? Chaput? Mallet?

Did you actually watch the series? I'm curious, because he was certainly one of Canada's biggest surprises. I'm not the only one that thinks so:

http://thehockeywriters.c...-canada-russia-challenge/
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=402986
http://prospects.dobbersp...erprospects-feature-story

even Coach Spott said Montreal got a steal in Hudon. I'm not saying he's a surefire NHLer, because he's not even close. He does have a ton of potential and can certainly be considered a boom-bust prospect.

Listen, I would probably have Gauthier-Leduc ahead of him, but Hudon actually did impress after the draft 3 months ago.
- BleedingHabs

I'm not a fan of Gauthier-Leduc, really don't like his D game.

I'm not a fan of Gauthier-Leduc, really don't like his D game.
- Jean_Perron

So what you are saying is that French should change the blog title to QP's top 10 players he is a fan of.

Yet went in the 5th round....and was the 11th player picked out of the Q this year.

Yet somehow QP has him ranked ahead of the other 10.

I don't care where he was ranked at the start of the year. 30 GM's and scouting staffs passed on him in favor of over a hundred other prospects....3 months ago....at then end of the season.
- yemrots

Dude look at the list, take out Grigorenko, Zlobin, Hyka and Frk. You could argue for Fournier, Bussières or Beauvilier, but I'm higher on Hudon, as I've always been, just ask Frenchie.

http://theqmjhl.ca/articl...-the-2012-nhl-entry-draft

Dude look at the list, take out Grigorenko, Zlobin, Hyka and Frk. You could argue for Fournier, Bussières or Beauvilier, but I'm higher on Hudon, as I've always been, just ask Frenchie.

http://theqmjhl.ca/articl...-the-2012-nhl-entry-draft
- Jean_Perron

Hudon, Melindy, Fournier could all have been 10, doesn't really matter.

Im pretty sure you have to be 20 to play in the AHL if you played minor/junior hockey in the CHL