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- Don'tForgetTocchet

I never knew you were such a big Knuble fan

I never knew you were such a big Knuble fan
- Marc D

i do tend to like 22s

But if you give too much and don't have enough money for gas, you won't get to where you want to go either

EDIT: at your avytard
- Giroux_Is_God

have to worry about what's right in your face at the moment.

I'm curious to hear you elaborate on yours. Not that i agree or disagree. Just would like to hear more.
- JoeRussomanno

I just believe that he's a premium defenseman/a rare breed, who took a lot of public abuse from a couple of meatheads on TSN.

Even though he was utilized as Calgary's top shutdown guy, he's one of the best 2-way defensemen in the league -- who's been stuck on some pretty poopty teams.

we don't know what they are asking for. Unless you're listening in on the phone call between homer and feaster.
- JoeRussomanno

Calgary would be foolish to trade him.

I just believe that he's a premium defenseman/a rare breed, who took a lot of public abuse from a couple of meatheads on TSN.

Even though he was utilized as Calgary's top shutdown guy, he's one of the best 2-way defensemen in the league -- who's been stuck on some pretty poopty teams.
- bradleyc4

If there was no cap I would agree. However at his current cap hit hes not worth the price, IMO. You have to trade valuable assets and take that cap hit on for a player whos on the same level as a Coburn. I'll wait until the trade deadline to upgrade.

Calgary would be foolish to trade him.
- bradleyc4

Depending on what would make sense for Calgary.

I'd take him at a reasonable cost. He has only this year and next on his cap hit. He's a first pairing d-man, can play shut down, terrific skater, can play the PP, has played every game every season but one, eats minutes.

Great story idea Bill. Always good to remember some of the names of the past.

For me, I would go with Petr Svoboda for #3 over Bladon. Bladon was a better player in terms of stats, no question. And he's probably the consensus pick for most fans. But I always loved Svoboda and the way he played the game, and he's who I think of when I see a #3 Flyers jersey.

If there was no cap I would agree. However at his current cap hit hes not worth the price, IMO. You have to trade valuable assets and take that cap hit on for a player whos on the same level as a Coburn. I'll wait until the trade deadline to upgrade.
- stveshdy

I believe that he's a superior player to Coburn. IMO, you would be acquiring a guy who slots in as your #2 this year (with Kimmo still here) and you're #1 next year when Timonen is done.

Depending on what would make sense for Calgary.

I'd take him at a reasonable cost. He has only this year and next on his cap hit. He's a first pairing d-man, can play shut down, terrific skater, can play the PP, has played every game every season but one, eats minutes.
- 77rams

If Calgary were in rebuilding mode, sure, I could see them trading him.

But they're not. And trading him makes their top-6 laughable.

1 Bernie Parent
2 Mark Howe
3 Gary Galley
4 Barry Ashbee
5 Braydon Coburn
6 Andre "Moose" Dupont
7 Bill Barber
8 Dave Schultz
9 Bob Kelly
10 John LeClair
11 Tony Amonte
12 Tim Kerr
13 Dan Carcillo
14 Joe Watson
15 Joffery Lupul
16 Bobby Clarke
17 Rod Brind'Amour
18 Mike Richards
19 Rick MacLeish
20 Keith Jones
21 Peter Forsberg
22 Mike Knuble
23 Ilkka Sinisalo
24 Gary Dornhoefer
25 Keith Primeau
26 Brian Propp
27 Ron Hextall
28 Claude Giroux
29 Joel Otto
30 Bobby Taylor
31 Pelle Lindbergh
32 Murray Craven
33 Brian Boucher
34 Craig Berube
35 Bob Froese
36 Darroll Powe
37 Eric Desjardins
38 Frank Bathe
39 Marty Murray
40 Vinny Prospal
41 Andrej Meszaros
42 Robert Esche
43 Marc-Andre Bourdon
44 Kimmo Timonen
45 Arron Asham
46 Jussi Timonen
47 Eric Wellwood
48 Danny Briere
49 Michael Leighton
50 Ruslan Fedotenko (Briefly)
51 Patrick Sharp (briefly)
52 Todd Fedoruk (briefly)
53 Jason Bown (briefly in 1993-94 preseason)
54 David Printz
55 Ben Eager
56 None (Claude Giroux wore it in first training camp)
57 None
58 Bill Armstrong
59 None
60 Nate Radnus
61 Mike York
62 None
63 None
64 None
65 Nate Guenin
66 Yanick Dupre (NHL debut game on Oct. 6, 1991)
67 None
68 Jaromir Jagr
69-76 None
77 Paul Coffey
78-86 None
87 Donald Brashear
88 Eric Lindros
89 Mike Comrie
90 None
91 None
92 Rick Tocchet
93 Jakub Voracek
94-96 None
97 Jeremy Roenick
98 None
99 None (Retired leagewide for Wayne Gretzky

Great story idea Bill. Always good to remember some of the names of the past.

For me, I would go with Petr Svoboda for #3 over Bladon. Bladon was a better player in terms of stats, no question. And he's probably the consensus pick for most fans. But I always loved Svoboda and the way he played the game, and he's who I think of when I see a #3 Flyers jersey.
- BringBack25

I generally think of Svoboda as No. 23, although he did wear No. 3 here as well.

#11 Jody Hull

Great list. Some real tough ones.

I believe that he's a superior player to Coburn. IMO, you would be acquiring a guy who slots in as your #2 this year (with Kimmo still here) and you're #1 next year when Timonen is done.
- bradleyc4

Coburn is like JBo lite with more of an edge to his game.

Coburn is like JBo lite with more of an edge to his game.
- 77rams

see listening to you guys makes me think acquiring him would be a good move at this point for the Flyers.

I just believe that he's a premium defenseman/a rare breed, who took a lot of public abuse from a couple of meatheads on TSN.

Even though he was utilized as Calgary's top shutdown guy, he's one of the best 2-way defensemen in the league -- who's been stuck on some pretty poopty teams.
- bradleyc4

I gotcha.

I just believe that he's a premium defenseman/a rare breed, who took a lot of public abuse from a couple of meatheads on TSN.

Even though he was utilized as Calgary's top shutdown guy, he's one of the best 2-way defensemen in the league -- who's been stuck on some pretty poopty teams.
- bradleyc4

He's not all that rare. The league is full of guys like him who never reached the potential their skills indicated they should.

Also, I'm curious - on what are you basing the statement that he's one of the top 2-way defensemen in the league? Just your opinion or do you have some sort of advance stats or something that support that? Because when I look at his traditional stats sure don't support that claim. Not saying he or his stats are horrible, just that they don't support the claim of "one of the best 2-way defenseman".

I believe that he's a superior player to Coburn. IMO, you would be acquiring a guy who slots in as your #2 this year (with Kimmo still here) and you're #1 next year when Timonen is done.
- bradleyc4

It's the cost to get him and then the cap hit that worries me. The Flyers could use another defenseman who can skate the puck and play a lot of minutes. I just rather they take the chance on the kids they currently have an upgrade before the deadline if necessary.

25- Zezel over Primeau

55- Primeau over Gratton

Gratton doesnt deserve to be on the list. Especially over PZ's mullet.
- KINGKENZO

55 will always be Daniel Markov!

I generally think of Svoboda as No. 23, although he did wear No. 3 here as well.
- bmeltzer

Yes, very true. My old age must be catching up with me today.


EDIT: Interesting that Bladon also wore 23 while a Flyer. Wish I could somehow blame that odd fact for my confusion, but sadly, I'm just an idiot.

I generally think of Svoboda as No. 23, although he did wear No. 3 here as well.
- bmeltzer

yeah, he was mostly 23 here (and on the Czech national team).

I just believe that he's a premium defenseman/a rare breed, who took a lot of public abuse from a couple of meatheads on TSN.

Even though he was utilized as Calgary's top shutdown guy, he's one of the best 2-way defensemen in the league -- who's been stuck on some pretty poopty teams.
- bradleyc4

Let's not make too many excuses for him... his teams haven't been all that bad... Florida and Calgary are/were non-playoff teams but they were consistently hovering around 40-wins and still ending up on the wrong side of the bubble. It's also not like he's been on an island (like Rick Nash)... Bouwmeester's actually had some quality talent to line up with... Iginla, Nieuwendyk, Weiss, Phaneuf, Jokinen, Tanguay, Horton, McCabe among others.

As a guy who was on the ice for 40-50% the time, he rightfully deserves a good share of the responsibility for the fact that not a single one of the NHL team's he's played for has ever made the playoffs... not even once. Even poor Rick Nash has made the playoffs before...

Is he terrible? No. Is he overrated? Probably. Is he a legit #1 guy? Probably not. Is he overpaid? Definitely. Do opponents look forward to playing against him? Peca's the only one to come out and say it, but it's probably not an uncommon sentiment amongst his peers.

I feel like Homer at the trade deadline the way I'm workin the phones lookin for books/deals/best bargains....

i do tend to like 22s
- Don'tForgetTocchet

T.J Gorence...



He was one of my favourites

He's not all that rare. The league is full of guys like him who never reached the potential their skills indicated they should.

Also, I'm curious - on what are you basing the statement that he's one of the top 2-way defensemen in the league? Just your opinion or do you have some sort of advance stats or something that support that? Because when I look at his traditional stats sure don't support that claim. Not saying he or his stats are horrible, just that they don't support the claim of "one of the best 2-way defenseman".
- BringBack25

"one of the best 2-way defenseman" may have been an overstatement, but I feel like he could be. Basically, I think the skills are there, but he's not being utilized that way.