Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: KalPa, Flyers Numbers, Flyers HOF Poll

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Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: KalPa, Flyers Numbers, Flyers HOF Poll
- bmeltzer

I think it's safe to go Coburn over Kim Johnsson at this point.

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- Philly1980

Har vi bytt till oss Bobby Ryan?

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- Philly1980

I think it's safe to go Coburn over Kim Johnsson at this point.
- The_Universe

When Coby wins an Ashbee Trophy -- Johnsson won two -- he might supplant Johnsson in my vote. Otherwise no.

I think it's safe to go Coburn over Kim Johnsson at this point.
- The_Universe

The two glaring differences for me would be -

11 - Don Saleski
15 - Terry Crisp

and it'd be a tough call between Jimmy Watson and Dave Poulin for #20.

When Coby wins an Ashbee Trophy -- Johnsson won two -- he might supplant Johnsson in my vote. Otherwise no.
- bmeltzer

OK I'll give you that one, Bill. Did you have fits choosing between Forsberg and Dan Kordic at #21? Not sure which one I'd pick...

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- Philly1980

Saving all assets for that elite defenseman Bouwmeester.

The two glaring differences for me would be -

11 - Don Saleski
15 - Terry Crisp

and it'd be a tough call between Jimmy Watson and Dave Poulin for #20.
- tangent_man

That was real, real tough call for me. Picked Watson because he spent his entire career in Philly.

OK I'll give you that one, Bill. Did you have fits choosing between Forsberg and Dan Kordic at #21? Not sure which one I'd pick...
- The_Universe

Not Kordic, but I did consider Dave Brown.

1 Bernie Parent
2 Mark Howe
3 Tom Bladon
4 Barry Ashbee
5 Braydon Coburn
6 Andre Dupont
7 Bill Barber
8 Mark Recchi
9 Pelle Eklund
10 John LeClair
11 Don Saleski
12 Tim Kerr
13 Dan Carcillo
14 Ron Sutter
15 Rich Sutter
16 Bobby Clarke
17 Rod Brind'Amour
18 Mike Richards
19 Rick MacLeish
20 Dave Poulin (as much as I love Jimmy Watson)
21 Peter Forsberg (short lived in Philly but I loved Peter)
22 Rick Tocchet
23 Ilkka Sinisalo
24 Sami Kapanen
25 Keith Primeau
26 Brian Propp
27 Ron Hextall
28 Claude Giroux
29 Joel Otto
30 Garth Snow
31 Pelle Lindbergh
32 Murray Craven
33 Brian Boucher
34 John Vanbiesbrouck
35 Bob Froese
36 Dennis Seidenberg
37 Eric Desjardins
38 Frank Bathe
39 Marty Murray
40 Aris Brimanis
41 Andrej Meszaros
42 Josef Beranek
43 Martin Biron
44 Kimmo Timonen
45 Vaclav Prospal
46 Josh Gratton
47 Eric Wellwood (I list wellwood cause I honestly forgot about Sbisa)
48 Danny Briere
49 Michael Leighton
50 Scott Sandelin
51 Honestly would not have thought of anyone but will go with Sharp in the briefly category
52 Todd Fedoruk in the briefly category
53 Jason Bown in the briefly category
54 Brian Wesenberg
55 Chris Gratton
56 None
57 None
58 Bill Armstrong
59 None
60 None
61 Mike York
62 Jiri Latal
63 None
64 None
65 Nate Guenin
66 Yanick Dupre
67 None
68 Jaromir Jagr
69-76 None
77 Paul Coffey
78-86 None
87 Donald Brashear
88 Eric Lindros
89 Mike Comrie
90 None
91 None
92 None
93 Jakub Voracek
94-96 None
97 Jeremy Roenick
98 None
99 None

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: KalPa, Flyers Numbers, Flyers HOF Poll
- bmeltzer

Gotta differ with you on a few of these Bill:

3-Behn Wilson, lord knows he probably had more downs than ups, although I am convinced that if he had been given a full season in AHL at the start of his pro career and was teamed with right coach he could have been an all-star. I gotta put him on the list though because hands down he was the scariest fighter I've ever seen! You could actually see fear on the faces of many of the guys he fought. Plus watching go toe to toe with Clark Gillies and kicking the crap out of Barry Beck was priceless!!

5-After last years playoffs I would go with Coburn by a whisker over Johnsson.

11-Don Saleski - I'll take a solid 3rd line winger on back to back cup teams and 3 straight trips to the finals over a flash in the pan one dimensional forward any day.

18- This was a tough one, but I have to go with Ross Lonsberry over Richards. Roscoe may have been the most underrated player on those cup teams. As I am in my late 40's I can actual remember seeing those teams play! Lonsberry was an excellent 2 way winger on a back to back cup team, and while Richards is a very good player, I gotta give the edge to Roscoe.

20- I'm with you on Jimmy Watson, its just so hard not to think of Dave Poulin, who was the epitome of a heart and soul player, when I see #20.

30 - Doug Favell - Gotta go with the starting goalie for the original 72-73 Broad Street Bullies especially since he backstopped the Flyers to their first ever playoff series win and he was outstanding in their game 1 upset of Montreal in round 2. Snow was ok, but lets face it he was primarily a career back up in a 26 team league while Favell was a starter for at least 3 or 4 years in a 16 team league.

All in all a nice article, thanks!

@NHLsourcessay:

*Breaking* #Flyers Kimmo Timonen will require back surgery, out 4-6 months. #CONFIRMED

any truth to this?! i sure hope not...

Snow over Niitty?

Saving all assets for that elite defenseman Bouwmeester.
- stveshdy

Not too many defensemen can play 26 minutes/game against the top line of other teams.

He may not be elite, but he's just a notch below.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: KalPa, Flyers Numbers, Flyers HOF Poll
- bmeltzer

All good but I think some heavyweights and long time players are more deserving.

8 - Dave Shultz
21- Dave Brown
29 - Glenn Cochrane.

Recchi is probably the one I could be swayed towards keeping but I think Brownie deserves 21 over Peter. As much as I was fan of Otto, when I think of 29 I think of Cochrane with those jack hammers flying.

also...I think Gagne rocked #52 his first pre-season/Training camp for a very short time if I am correct?

Poulin will always be 20 to me. I put McCrimmon ahead of Johnny Vermont at 10 too. That's just me though.

@NHLsourcessay:

*Breaking* #Flyers Kimmo Timonen will require back surgery, out 4-6 months. #CONFIRMED

any truth to this?! i sure hope not...
- funkyjase

Not Good!!!!

@NHLsourcessay:

*Breaking* #Flyers Kimmo Timonen will require back surgery, out 4-6 months. #CONFIRMED

any truth to this?! i sure hope not...
- funkyjase

Doubt it..... To many people have to much time on their hands

That was real, real tough call for me. Picked Watson because he spent his entire career in Philly.
- bmeltzer

Since it's a question of number association, I would say Watson comes to mind first when I think of #20...

and I hope to all that's holy that this Timonen news is BS.

All good but I think some heavyweights and long time players are more deserving.

8 - Dave Shultz
21- Dave Brown
29 - Glenn Cochrane.

Recchi is probably the one I could be swayed towards keeping but I think Brownie deserves 21 over Peter. As much as I was fan of Otto, when I think of 29 I think of Cochrane with those jack hammers flying.
- jtb3rd

A case can be made for Schultz but, IMO, Recchi gets it by virtue of "Crazy Eights" line and setting team's single-season point record -- which may not be broken for years to come given the league-wide reduction in scoring since then.

Cochrane wore a bunch of different numbers before becoming 29 for the majority of his Flyers career.

I considered Brownie over Forsberg.

@NHLsourcessay:

*Breaking* #Flyers Kimmo Timonen will require back surgery, out 4-6 months. #CONFIRMED

any truth to this?! i sure hope not...
- funkyjase

are you (frank)ing kidding me

Since it's a question of number association, I would say Watson comes to mind first when I think of #20...

and I hope to all that's holy that this Timonen news is BS.
- tangent_man

Timonen had his surgery months ago and should be OK for start of season even if season starts on time. Wouldn't be surprised if the guy who tweeted it saw the Finnish reports that Timonen won't play for KalPa due to back surgery and reported it as "confirmed breaking news" rather than realizing the surgery happened at the start of the offseason.