Coburn is like JBo lite with more of an edge to his game.
- 77rams

I don't see Bouwmeester that much of an upgrade over Coburn. You can say he's better offensively, simply because Coburn hasn't been used much in a offensive role in the last few Seasons. But Coburn has put up decent numbers in the past offensively. Coburn and Bouwmeester are comparable in my opinion.

For 3 I'll always think of it as Behn Wilsons number. One less year than Bladon but better numbers. Admittedly, Bladon was the better defenseman but Wilson was the better hockey player when it came to making an impact on a game.

for 25... pick one:
Keith Acton
Greg Adams
Norm Barnes
Willie Brossart
Matt Carle
Steve Duchesne
Paul Evans
Jeff Finley
Paul Guay
Ted Harris
Chris Joseph
Andrei Kovalenko
Al MacAdam
Jim Mair
Kevin McCarthy
Terry Murray
Pierre Plante
Shjon Podein
Jean Potvin
Don Saleski
Dave Schultz
Maxime Talbot
Peter Zezel

...any of these would be preferable.

"one of the best 2-way defenseman" may have been an overstatement, but I feel like he could be. Basically, I think the skills are there, but he's not being utilized that way.
- bradleyc4

He's had all the opportunity in the World to put the raw skills he has to use. He has yet to reach the level of expectations that match his talent level.

"one of the best 2-way defenseman" may have been an overstatement, but I feel like he could be. Basically, I think the skills are there, but he's not being utilized that way.
- bradleyc4

No question the skills are there. But after 9 years in the league I think his failure to play to his potential is more his issue than the way he was/is used. Hard to believe that for all 9 years he was misused/poorly coached/etc., etc. and that is what is holding him back. At some point the player just has to produce, and he has never done so at a level commensurate with that label (or his cap hit).

He's had all the opportunity in the World to put the raw skills he has to use. He has yet to reach the level of expectations that match his talent level.
- MJL

He was regularly putting up 40+ points a season with Florida, which would have put him in the top-15 (to 20) in the NHL this past season.

And more points than offensive defenseman like Yandle, Keith, Del Zotto, Jack Johnson, Matt Carle, Brent Burns, Drew Doughty (to name a few).

For 3 I'll always think of it as Behn Wilsons number. One less year than Bladon but better numbers. Admittedly, Bladon was the better defenseman but Wilson was the better hockey player when it came to making an impact on a game.

for 25... pick one:
Keith Acton
Greg Adams
Norm Barnes
Willie Brossart
Matt Carle
Steve Duchesne
Paul Evans
Jeff Finley
Paul Guay
Ted Harris
Chris Joseph
Andrei Kovalenko
Al MacAdam
Jim Mair
Kevin McCarthy
Terry Murray
Pierre Plante
Shjon Podein
Jean Potvin
Don Saleski
Dave Schultz
Maxime Talbot
Peter Zezel

...any of these would be preferable.

- mayorofangrytown

Was waiting for you to chime in on that number, but Bill has clearly made the correct choice.

He was regularly putting up 40+ points a season with Florida, which would have put him in the top-15 (to 20) in the NHL this past season.

And more points than offensive defenseman like Yandle, Keith, Del Zotto, Jack Johnson, Matt Carle, Brent Burns, Drew Doughty (to name a few).
- bradleyc4

The fact is, he would be an upgrade for the Flyers D. It's about how much you're giving back.

Was waiting for you to chime in on that number, but Bill has clearly made the correct choice.



- BringBack25

Quick poll - who would trade Read and a 2nd round pick for J-Bo?

Quick poll - who would trade Read and a 2nd round pick for J-Bo?
- Daman

Yes.

But Calgary wouldn't.

- Flyskippy

I respect and understand MOAT's opinion, just giving him a hard time.

MOAT sightings are so rare these days I have to take my shots while I can.

Was waiting for you to chime in on that number, but Bill has clearly made the correct choice.



- BringBack25

I'm going with Matt Carle. Someone capable of making an impact in the playoffs.

- Flyskippy

It's on kitty Kat...

The fact is, he would be an upgrade for the Flyers D. It's about how much you're giving back.
- mayorofangrytown

I agree that he is a better player than several of our current d-men. I just don't want that cap hit, no matter how little it might take to acquire him. I'd rather let the kids play and give them a chance to learn on the job.

I agree that he is a better player than several of our current d-men. I just don't want that cap hit, no matter how little it might take to acquire him. I'd rather let the kids play and give them a chance to learn on the job.
- BringBack25

Bartulis says hello.

Bartulis says hello.
- JoeRussomanno

hack job.

hack job.

- BringBack25

I didn't copy and paste that.

I agree that he is a better player than several of our current d-men. I just don't want that cap hit, no matter how little it might take to acquire him. I'd rather let the kids play and give them a chance to learn on the job.
- BringBack25

It's a lot of money, that's true. For once we have the room although it might tie us up next off season. I'm just not seeing a lot of options.

Personally, I'd take a flyer on Subban just for the hell of it. I'd take that gamble even though I'd know it wouldn't be popular.

It's a lot of money, that's true. For once we have the room although it might tie us up next off season. I'm just not seeing a lot of options.

Personally, I'd take a flyer on Subban just for the hell of it. I'd take that gamble even though I'd know it wouldn't be popular.
- mayorofangrytown

That's another key point. Next summer's free agent class of defenseman is weak.

I didn't copy and paste that.
- JoeRussomanno

I know. Just giving you grief.

However, Bartulis is hardly an example of letting young d-men play through their mistakes and learn on the job. He was bounced in and out of the lineup all year long and had zero confidence in his game by the time they were forced into using him in the playoffs in 2010. Also, I think both Gus and MAB have more potential than Bartulis did, and I'd rather play them all year long than saddle the team with JayBo's cap hit.

Quick poll - who would trade Read and a 2nd round pick for J-Bo?
- Daman

Lose arguably your best value-for-dollar forward while bringing in a contract that will surely put the team into LTIR right off the bat?

No thanks.

If they really are that desperate, I'd sooner take on Keith Ballard's contract than Bouwmeester's. At least Ballard would really cost next to nothing in terms of assets. He was a pretty darned promising young dman before Vancouver buried him, too.

That's another key point. Next summer's free agent class of defenseman is weak.
- bradleyc4

I agree. That seems like even more of an argument for giving MAB and Gus every chance to play their way into a regular role. Much rather do that and if necessary, make a move at the deadline. Just don't see a reason to take on that cap hit now, especially for that player.

Also, I don't get it - You (and many others) were against making a move for Nash because of his cap hit. JayBo's cap hit is almost as bad as Nash's, and he isn't anywhere near the caliber of player Nash is. And yet you are okay with adding him?

Lose arguably your best value-for-dollar forward while bringing in a contract that will surely put the team into LTIR right off the bat?

No thanks.

If they really are that desperate, I'd sooner take on Keith Ballard's contract than Bouwmeester's. At least Ballard would really cost next to nothing in terms of assets. He was a pretty darned promising young dman before Vancouver buried him, too.
- Tomahawk

I'm with you there.

I agree. That seems like even more of an argument for giving MAB and Gus every chance to play their way into a regular role. Much rather do that and if necessary, make a move at the deadline. Just don't see a reason to take on that cap hit now, especially for that player.

Also, I don't get it - You (and many others) were against making a move for Nash because of his cap hit. JayBo's cap hit is almost as bad as Nash's, and he isn't anywhere near the caliber of player Nash is. And yet you are okay with adding him?
- BringBack25

I agree. That seems like even more of an argument for giving MAB and Gus every chance to play their way into a regular role. Much rather do that and if necessary, make a move at the deadline. Just don't see a reason to take on that cap hit now, especially for that player.

Also, I don't get it - You (and many others) were against making a move for Nash because of his cap hit. JayBo's cap hit is almost as bad as Nash's, and he isn't anywhere near the caliber of player Nash is. And yet you are okay with adding him?
- BringBack25

You don't need nash but Jbo is conceivably a player that brings something this roster might otherwise not have. There's no guarantee Mab and Gus become more than bottom pairing defensemen.