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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:01 PM ET
That's not the point at all. I'm pretty sure if you asked, 9 out of 10 people would prefer to work for Apple, or Google over any other company out there.

The point of this conversation is that players (employees) have OPTIONS of where they wish to be employed. At the end of the day, no one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to play in the NHL. It's a CHOICE.

- Pen15


The point is that once in, they have no power and no right for years.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:02 PM ET
More equal than the NHL and KHL, so obviously its not clear...yet.
- systemtool

Just in case you're too lazy to look it up yourself....here you go:

http://tmx.quotemedia.com...e=83808&qm_symbol=COKE:US

http://tmx.quotemedia.com..._page=44&qm_symbol=PEP:US

HINT: One is the KHL, one is the NHL....I hope you get it now.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:02 PM ET
Really? You should take a look at their financials...might become more clear to you then.
- Pen15


I did.

No comparison.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:03 PM ET
I did.

No comparison.

- systemtool

No comparison in terms of performance...but they're still in the same industry...and employees that specialize in soft drinks still have the OPTION to work for either.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 10 @ 10:04 PM ET
It can stop you from working for the competition.

You are always free to quit.

- robin_steele264




No it can't
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:04 PM ET
Just in case you're too lazy to look it up yourself....here you go:

http://tmx.quotemedia.com...e=83808&qm_symbol=COKE:US

http://tmx.quotemedia.com..._page=44&qm_symbol=PEP:US

HINT: One is the KHL, one is the NHL....I hope you get it now.

- Pen15


Thanks for proving my point. Not as comparable as the NHL and KHL.

NHL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KHL
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:04 PM ET
The point is that once in, they have no power and no right for years.
- systemtool

Just like an employee at a bank. 3 years for someone in my level....5-7 years for someone at a higher level.

And...those terms can be negotiated in most cases. Just like a UFA would negotiate their term.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:05 PM ET
No comparison in terms of performance...but they're still in the same industry...and employees that specialize in soft drinks still have the OPTION to work for either.
- Pen15


You're assuming both will hire you. Which is not a lock.

robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:05 PM ET
No it can't
- burn



Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.

Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:06 PM ET
Thanks for proving my point. Not as comparable as the NHL and KHL.

NHL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KHL

- systemtool

No one is arguing that you TOOL.

The point is that irrespective of their PERFORMANCE (NHL>KHL), they both operate in the same INDUSTRY....giving potential employees the OPTION to apply for either.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:06 PM ET
Just like an employee at a bank. 3 years for someone in my level....5-7 years for someone at a higher level.

And...those terms can be negotiated in most cases. Just like a UFA would negotiate their term.

- Pen15


So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Oct 10 @ 10:06 PM ET
So.. Sup?
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:07 PM ET
You're assuming both will hire you. Which is not a lock.
- systemtool

Now you're nitpicking. A sign that you just got raped in this argument.

Would me saying 'the option to APPLY' for either straighten out your concern?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:07 PM ET
Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.

- robin_steele264


But again, only certain companies. Not the whole league of the Oil world. Big difference.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:07 PM ET
So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?

- systemtool

Yup. It's called campus recruitment.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 10 @ 10:08 PM ET
Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.

- robin_steele264




Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:08 PM ET
Now you're nitpicking. A sign that you just got raped in this argument.
Would me saying 'the option to APPLY' for either straighten out your concern?

- Pen15



Wow...did you just "pwn" me?

You just went all pathetic and Charlie Sheen over this. Game over.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 10 @ 10:09 PM ET
So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?

- systemtool




systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:09 PM ET
Yup. It's called campus recruitment.
- Pen15


Recruiting isnt drafting, rape master B.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:10 PM ET
Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you

- burn

You're right in principle. But in Steele's example, the reality is that the competition won't hire you in the first place if you don't break that clause.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:10 PM ET
But again, only certain companies. Not the whole league of the Oil world. Big difference.
- systemtool



They cant prevent you from making a living... and theres many different ways companies would structure these.


Some likely being more restrictive than others depending on the position, and contract signed.

If you dont like the competition clause, you dont have to sign the contract afterall.

Two_For_Truth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If the NHL wanted to cut ties
Joined: 06.27.2012

Oct 10 @ 10:10 PM ET

The comparisons to "the real world" aren't helpful, because the NHL operates in a weird grey area where sometimes they are 30 seperate companies, but sometimes they are 30 franchises of the same company.

- Atomic Wedgie


You would think this would have helped clarify things.

But, surprisingly, it didn't.

Therefore...

Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Oct 10 @ 10:11 PM ET
Recruiting isnt drafting, rape master B.
- systemtool

It's not the exact same in principle as the other obvious correlations you failed to realize...but it is similar.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 10 @ 10:12 PM ET
You're right in principle. But in Steele's example, the reality is that the competition won't hire you in the first place if you don't break that clause.
- Pen15




Doubtful. I do t know how much proprietary knoeledge a "roughneck" would have.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:13 PM ET
Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you

- burn



Are you a lawyer or something?

Im not, but Ive had a couple of these clauses for jobs Ive had... they havent hindered me, but I know they can get much more restrictive for bigger positions then I've had.

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