That's not the point at all. I'm pretty sure if you asked, 9 out of 10 people would prefer to work for Apple, or Google over any other company out there.

The point of this conversation is that players (employees) have OPTIONS of where they wish to be employed. At the end of the day, no one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to play in the NHL. It's a CHOICE.
- Pen15

The point is that once in, they have no power and no right for years.

More equal than the NHL and KHL, so obviously its not clear...yet.
- systemtool

Just in case you're too lazy to look it up yourself....here you go:

http://tmx.quotemedia.com...e=83808&qm_symbol=COKE:US

http://tmx.quotemedia.com..._page=44&qm_symbol=PEP:US

HINT: One is the KHL, one is the NHL....I hope you get it now.

Really? You should take a look at their financials...might become more clear to you then.
- Pen15

I did.

No comparison.

I did.

No comparison.
- systemtool

No comparison in terms of performance...but they're still in the same industry...and employees that specialize in soft drinks still have the OPTION to work for either.

It can stop you from working for the competition.

You are always free to quit.
- robin_steele264

No it can't

Just in case you're too lazy to look it up yourself....here you go:

http://tmx.quotemedia.com...e=83808&qm_symbol=COKE:US

http://tmx.quotemedia.com..._page=44&qm_symbol=PEP:US

HINT: One is the KHL, one is the NHL....I hope you get it now.
- Pen15

Thanks for proving my point. Not as comparable as the NHL and KHL.

NHL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KHL

The point is that once in, they have no power and no right for years.
- systemtool

Just like an employee at a bank. 3 years for someone in my level....5-7 years for someone at a higher level.

And...those terms can be negotiated in most cases. Just like a UFA would negotiate their term.

No comparison in terms of performance...but they're still in the same industry...and employees that specialize in soft drinks still have the OPTION to work for either.
- Pen15

You're assuming both will hire you. Which is not a lock.

No it can't
- burn

Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.

Thanks for proving my point. Not as comparable as the NHL and KHL.

NHL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KHL
- systemtool

No one is arguing that you TOOL.

The point is that irrespective of their PERFORMANCE (NHL>KHL), they both operate in the same INDUSTRY....giving potential employees the OPTION to apply for either.

Just like an employee at a bank. 3 years for someone in my level....5-7 years for someone at a higher level.

And...those terms can be negotiated in most cases. Just like a UFA would negotiate their term.
- Pen15

So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?

So.. Sup?

You're assuming both will hire you. Which is not a lock.
- systemtool

Now you're nitpicking. A sign that you just got raped in this argument.

Would me saying 'the option to APPLY' for either straighten out your concern?

Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.
- robin_steele264

But again, only certain companies. Not the whole league of the Oil world. Big difference.

So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?
- systemtool

Yup. It's called campus recruitment.

Yes it can.

If another company buys my refinery, Im sold with it.

I cant go work for Imperial Oil if that happens, competition clause in the sale.

Too bad so sad.
- robin_steele264

Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you

Now you're nitpicking. A sign that you just got raped in this argument.
Would me saying 'the option to APPLY' for either straighten out your concern?
- Pen15

Wow...did you just "pwn" me?

You just went all pathetic and Charlie Sheen over this. Game over.

So banks draft their employees at 18 years old?

What is the minor league team for your bank? The Oshawa Payday Loaners?
- systemtool

Yup. It's called campus recruitment.
- Pen15

Recruiting isnt drafting, rape master B.

Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you
- burn

You're right in principle. But in Steele's example, the reality is that the competition won't hire you in the first place if you don't break that clause.

But again, only certain companies. Not the whole league of the Oil world. Big difference.
- systemtool

They cant prevent you from making a living... and theres many different ways companies would structure these.


Some likely being more restrictive than others depending on the position, and contract signed.

If you dont like the competition clause, you dont have to sign the contract afterall.

The comparisons to "the real world" aren't helpful, because the NHL operates in a weird grey area where sometimes they are 30 seperate companies, but sometimes they are 30 franchises of the same company.
- Atomic Wedgie

You would think this would have helped clarify things.

But, surprisingly, it didn't.

Therefore...

Recruiting isnt drafting, rape master B.
- systemtool

It's not the exact same in principle as the other obvious correlations you failed to realize...but it is similar.

You're right in principle. But in Steele's example, the reality is that the competition won't hire you in the first place if you don't break that clause.
- Pen15

Doubtful. I do t know how much proprietary knoeledge a "roughneck" would have.

Completion clause allows you to leave do long as you follow the contract.

They can't stop you
- burn

Are you a lawyer or something?

Im not, but Ive had a couple of these clauses for jobs Ive had... they havent hindered me, but I know they can get much more restrictive for bigger positions then I've had.