He lied?
- burn

Yes, he died. Donald Fehr came out and said a deal was close. No deal is close, at least not according to anyone else involved in the negotiations. Maybe if the PA agreed to one of the three key items, then you can say it is close. Until then, it is not.

The league refused it's own offer. That isn't trying to get a deal done.
- burn

What are you talking about?

The league didn't refuse their own offer. The owners are not backing down from their stance on their three key issues. I don't know where you keep hearing this from? When did the players so ok to a 10 yr CBA, or a 5 yr max contract?

The league refused it's own offer. That isn't trying to get a deal done.
- burn

thats untrue.. nothing more than a media twist

the league pulled their offer once the union started playing games

which is completely fair

(frank) the players.. seriously.. they play a game for living.. they're lucky ass bastards to begin with.. (frank) em and their entitled mindset

i hope teams start to fold now.. i'd love watching players realize that for every team that folds.. 30 nhl jobs are lost.. i hope that happens.. i really do.

(frank)ing min wage in the NHL is what most people take a decade to earn... and they dare play the poor me card? the whole we arent going to fold, we'll stand together BS is nauseating.... they are playing it like they are the african american community in the 60s looking for desegregation.. the underdog fighting the good fight

seriously.. (frank) off players.. i am sick of your pampered bullpoop attitudes

Yes, he died. Donald Fehr came out and said a deal was close. No deal is close, at least not according to anyone else involved in the negotiations. Maybe if the PA agreed to one of the three key items, then you can say it is close. Until then, it is not.
- PatC80

I don't think he lied. For that to be true, you'd have to have evidence that he didn't think they were close. Everything says they were. The owners left saying they were close. Doesn't sound like he lied to me. The other side said pretty much the same.

I don't think he lied. For that to be true, you'd have to have evidence that he didn't think they were close. Everything says they were. The owners left saying they were close. Doesn't sound like he lied to me. The other side said pretty much the same.
- burn

no, they didnt.

if so, please show me.. but nothing i have read supports the bolded

thats untrue.. nothing more than a media twist

the league pulled their offer once the union started playing games

which is completely fair

(frank) the players.. seriously.. they play a game for living.. they're lucky ass bastards to begin with.. (frank) em and their entitled mindset

i hope teams start to fold now.. i'd love watching players realize that for every team that folds.. 30 nhl jobs are lost.. i hope that happens.. i really do.

(frank)ing min wage in the NHL is what most people take a decade to earn... and they dare play the poor me card? the whole we arent going to fold, we'll stand together BS is nauseating.... they are playing it like they are the african american community in the 60s looking for desegregation.. the underdog fighting the good fight

seriously.. (frank) off players.. i am sick of your pampered bullpoop attitudes
- Dozzer

How is it media spin? Bettman said that's exactly what happened.

What are you talking about?

The league didn't refuse their own offer. The owners are not backing down from their stance on their three key issues. I don't know where you keep hearing this from? When did the players so ok to a 10 yr CBA, or a 5 yr max contract?
- PatC80

Yeah they did. Pa took the league offer (which they feel they were close on, both sides) and made minor changes. They rejected their own offer

How is it media spin? Bettman said that's exactly what happened.
- burn

you cant reject your own offer

its impossible.. all you can do is take it off the table

for that to happen then something must of changed.. which means the union came back and said scratch this this and that and we got a deal

to which the NHL rightfully replied: "go (frank) yourself"

no, they didnt.

if so, please show me.. but nothing i have read supports the bolded
- Dozzer

Quotes from Burkle, vinnik and tannenbaum all said a deal was close.

Yeah they did. Pa took the league offer (which they feel they were close on, both sides) and made minor changes. They rejected their own offer
- burn

as soon as one change is made its no longer the league's offer

stop trying to spin it that way.. to the PA a "minor change" would be to scratch contract term limitations

minor changes.. bull (frank)ing poop

Quotes from Burkle, vinnik and tannenbaum all said a deal was close.
- burn

source please. i havent seen any of that.

you cant reject your own offer

its impossible.. all you can do is take it off the table

for that to happen then something must of changed.. which means the union came back and said scratch this this and that and we got a deal

to which the NHL rightfully replied: "go (frank) yourself"
- Dozzer

Its all the pa's fault. The league pulled their offer, and outright refused the counter but its all the pa. My god.


The counter offer is as much the pa's right as is the leagues right to not negotiate off their own offer. It's not a one way street here.

as soon as one change is made its no longer the league's offer

stop trying to spin it that way.. to the PA a "minor change" would be to scratch contract term limitations

minor changes.. bull (frank)ing poop
- Dozzer

Easy tiger.

Its all the pa's fault. The league pulled their offer, and outright refused the counter but its all the pa. My god.


The counter offer is as much the pa's right as is the leagues right to not negotiate off their own offer. It's not a one way street here.
- burn

just take the (frank)ing offer

pampered lil brats

Yeah they did. Pa took the league offer (which they feel they were close on, both sides) and made minor changes. They rejected their own offer
- burn

Making minor changes, is not the same thing... League says; "this is our offer". PA says; "Ok, but we want this changed"

How is it the same?

The owners pulled their offer from the table, because, like Tannebaum said, it seems like the players association doesn't want to make a deal.

Why keep something on the table if the PA rejected it to begin with?

source please. i havent seen any of that.
- Dozzer

http://m.theglobeandmail....le6073132/?service=mobile

I'm flabbergasted that people are blaming one side, the NHL is acting like a dictatorship, in union negotiations you don't give a yes or no and like children pull everything off the table then expect a union not to make a counter proposal, how insulting is sending a voice mail refusing it, that is plain arrogance. Can you believe anything Bettman says?

As for Fehr, he is squeezing and squeezing, not standing down, his best interest is not the game, the players behind him yesterday thought they were close, there was no lie. The problem is, the group behind him was players making a lot of coin and really didn't speak for the lesser lites in the league.

The whole situation is toxic, not wanting a union leader in the room is absolutely asinine, the players pay him to represent them and it is their right, for the NHL to say it is a deal breaker is childish.

What I saw yesterday was two gown men acting like children, the best interest of the game has been lost on them and now has become personal, it is egos that is the problem, the sooner all involved are removed the better we will get back the great game it once was.

Both sides have the fans blood on their hands.

just take the (frank)ing offer

pampered lil brats
- Dozzer

I wish there was a 'like' button

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/owners-statements-on-cba-talks/article6073132/?service=mobile
- burn

Mark Chipman:

"Regrettably, we have been unable to close the divide on some critical issues that we feel are essential to the immediate and long-term health of our game."

Sounds real close to a deal, doesn't it?

I'm flabbergasted that people are blaming one side, the NHL is acting like a dictatorship, in union negotiations you don't give a yes or no and like children pull everything off the table then and expect a union not to make a counter proposal, how insulting is sending a voice mail refusing it, that is plain arrogance. Can you believe anything Bettman says?

As for Fehr, he is squeezing and squeezing, not standing down, his best interest is not the game, the players behind him yesterday thought they were close, there was no lie. The problem is, the group behind him was players making a lot of coin and really didn't speak for the lesser lites in the league.

The whole situation is toxic, not wanting a union leader in the room is absolutely asinine, the players pay him to represent them and it is their right, for the NHL to say it is a deal breaker is childish.

What I saw yesterday was two gown men acting like children, the best interest of the game has been lost on them and now has become personal, it is egos that is the problem, the sooner all involved are removed the better we will get back the great game it once was.

Both side have the fans blood on their hands.
- LeafMan

I think, for the most part, fans understand that teams can not continue on losing money. Having 13 of the 30 teams losing money is not a good business practices. That's why you'll find more people on the owners side

I think, for the most part, fans understand that teams can not continue on losing money. Having 13 of the 30 teams losing money is not a good business practices. That's why you'll find more people on the owners side
- PatC80

Not what I saw yesterday on social media, the NHL took the brunt of the fans ire.

I'm flabbergasted that people are blaming one side, the NHL is acting like a dictatorship, in union negotiations you don't give a yes or no and like children pull everything off the table then expect a union not to make a counter proposal, how insulting is sending a voice mail refusing it, that is plain arrogance. Can you believe anything Bettman says?

As for Fehr, he is squeezing and squeezing, not standing down, his best interest is not the game, the players behind him yesterday thought they were close, there was no lie. The problem is, the group behind him was players making a lot of coin and really didn't speak for the lesser lites in the league.

The whole situation is toxic, not wanting a union leader in the room is absolutely asinine, the players pay him to represent them and it is their right, for the NHL to say it is a deal breaker is childish.

What I saw yesterday was two gown men acting like children, the best interest of the game has been lost on them and now has become personal, it is egos that is the problem, the sooner all involved are removed the better we will get back the great game it once was.

Both sides have the fans blood on their hands.
- LeafMan

It's a wee bit excessive, don't you think?

I was not a betman supporter before. But now I am on his side. Fehr needs to be removed from all talks. He is the one killing the sport now. Good thing there is Jr hockey in London.

as soon as one change is made its no longer the league's offer

stop trying to spin it that way.. to the PA a "minor change" would be to scratch contract term limitations

minor changes.. bull (frank)ing poop
- Dozzer

Burn has been 100% pro player from the get go an will spin it any way he can to confirm that bias.

Not what I saw yesterday on social media, the NHL took the brunt of the fans ire.
- LeafMan

Impression I got is that fans are upset that the owners took their offer from the table. But why keep it available, if it was rejected?