See how well the NHL would do with beer-league calibre players....
- I-own_da-Northwest

on beer league payrolls, probably not too badly.

the players are not poor. they are not victims. they sacrifice little to nothing compared to the rewards of being a pro athlete. I have to plan carefully to make sure all my bills are in order and to pay a mortgage on a 150k house. It's not impossible, and we live comfortably.
they play a goddamn game. they can put on all the sad faces they want, i will never be convinced that having to work out and play a game is a huge 'sacrifice', especially considering the compensation they get.

yeah, the owners want the players to have less. big deal, they own the team, they make all the business arrangements in order to even put a product on the ice. the players play the game and get paid ridiculous amounts for it. thats why they are the owners.

people say that without these players we would have low quality hockey. No, we wouldn't. They would come back and play for peanuts after a couple years. they dont want to go to russia or european leagues. Any 'point' they've tried to make by going over there has been lost because the fans aren't all idiots and realize they are takin gother peoples' jobs.
besides, how high quality is a league where 'diving' is a part of the sport? like an actual deciding factor? the local beer league games i go to lately, there are not any man-babies flying to the ice and staring at the refs with their hands in the air.

Let them rot. Track down the players in Europe who have lost their livings. yes, the ones who are actually in dire straits now, and cant afford to feed or house themselves because spoiled millionaires took thier jobs. Ask those dispossessed players to come and play. Anyone who has sympathy for someone who has chosen to be an athlete, gets paid stupid stupid amounts of money for playing a game, and then suddenly MIGHT not get as much as he was before is an idiot too.

the owners bought a team to make money, its what they do.

Any old interviews of these current players from when they were kids saying: 'I don't really like playing hockey, i'm doing this so i can make millions of dollars as easily as possible.'? or the lying false 18 year olds saying 'I just want to do my best and contribute to the team..blah blah blah' no, they want money, thats all , if washing dishes paid big bucks im sur ethey would all have th efresh faced humble 'I just want to wash dishes the best way i can, it's a dream of mine to wash dishes'

the disingenuous crap these morons are spewing is disgusting. They do not care about hockey, or the fans, or the team, or winning. they care only for money. If all they cared about was the sport they would be happy with whatever the league offered without pause. Enough with the lying and bullpoop and fake-ass humble poop.
get some scabs in, get some replacements, get the guys out of a job in russia because of the babies. show these princesses they arent needed or wanted.

alright, done, back to one line comments every week or so.

the players are not poor. they are not victims. they sacrifice little to nothing compared to the rewards of being a pro athlete. I have to plan carefully to make sure all my bills are in order and to pay a mortgage on a 150k house. It's not impossible, and we live comfortably.
they play a goddamn game. they can put on all the sad faces they want, i will never be convinced that having to work out and play a game is a huge 'sacrifice', especially considering the compensation they get.

yeah, the owners want the players to have less. big deal, they own the team, they make all the business arrangements in order to even put a product on the ice. the players play the game and get paid ridiculous amounts for it. thats why they are the owners.

people say that without these players we would have low quality hockey. No, we wouldn't. They would come back and play for peanuts after a couple years. they dont want to go to russia or european leagues. Any 'point' they've tried to make by going over there has been lost because the fans aren't all idiots and realize they are takin gother peoples' jobs.
besides, how high quality is a league where 'diving' is a part of the sport? like an actual deciding factor? the local beer league games i go to lately, there are not any man-babies flying to the ice and staring at the refs with their hands in the air.

Let them rot. Track down the players in Europe who have lost their livings. yes, the ones who are actually in dire straits now, and cant afford to feed or house themselves because spoiled millionaires took thier jobs. Ask those dispossessed players to come and play. Anyone who has sympathy for someone who has chosen to be an athlete, gets paid stupid stupid amounts of money for playing a game, and then suddenly MIGHT not get as much as he was before is an idiot too.

the owners bought a team to make money, its what they do.

Any old interviews of these current players from when they were kids saying: 'I don't really like playing hockey, i'm doing this so i can make millions of dollars as easily as possible.'? or the lying false 18 year olds saying 'I just want to do my best and contribute to the team..blah blah blah' no, they want money, thats all , if washing dishes paid big bucks im sur ethey would all have th efresh faced humble 'I just want to wash dishes the best way i can, it's a dream of mine to wash dishes'

the disingenuous crap these morons are spewing is disgusting. They do not care about hockey, or the fans, or the team, or winning. they care only for money. If all they cared about was the sport they would be happy with whatever the league offered without pause. Enough with the lying and bullpoop and fake-ass humble poop.
get some scabs in, get some replacements, get the guys out of a job in russia because of the babies. show these princesses they arent needed or wanted.

alright, done, back to one line comments every week or so.
- zedniksghost

Agreed, how dare the owners expect the league average salary to go down to $2.3 million for 2 or 3 years! Shame on them. But you could have summed it up with this; The players and Donald Fehr are greedy money grubbing bastards.

the players are not poor. they are not victims. they sacrifice little to nothing compared to the rewards of being a pro athlete. I have to plan carefully to make sure all my bills are in order and to pay a mortgage on a 150k house. It's not impossible, and we live comfortably.
they play a goddamn game. they can put on all the sad faces they want, i will never be convinced that having to work out and play a game is a huge 'sacrifice', especially considering the compensation they get.

yeah, the owners want the players to have less. big deal, they own the team, they make all the business arrangements in order to even put a product on the ice. the players play the game and get paid ridiculous amounts for it. thats why they are the owners.

people say that without these players we would have low quality hockey. No, we wouldn't. They would come back and play for peanuts after a couple years. they dont want to go to russia or european leagues. Any 'point' they've tried to make by going over there has been lost because the fans aren't all idiots and realize they are takin gother peoples' jobs.
besides, how high quality is a league where 'diving' is a part of the sport? like an actual deciding factor? the local beer league games i go to lately, there are not any man-babies flying to the ice and staring at the refs with their hands in the air.

Let them rot. Track down the players in Europe who have lost their livings. yes, the ones who are actually in dire straits now, and cant afford to feed or house themselves because spoiled millionaires took thier jobs. Ask those dispossessed players to come and play. Anyone who has sympathy for someone who has chosen to be an athlete, gets paid stupid stupid amounts of money for playing a game, and then suddenly MIGHT not get as much as he was before is an idiot too.

the owners bought a team to make money, its what they do.

Any old interviews of these current players from when they were kids saying: 'I don't really like playing hockey, i'm doing this so i can make millions of dollars as easily as possible.'? or the lying false 18 year olds saying 'I just want to do my best and contribute to the team..blah blah blah' no, they want money, thats all , if washing dishes paid big bucks im sur ethey would all have th efresh faced humble 'I just want to wash dishes the best way i can, it's a dream of mine to wash dishes'

the disingenuous crap these morons are spewing is disgusting. They do not care about hockey, or the fans, or the team, or winning. they care only for money. If all they cared about was the sport they would be happy with whatever the league offered without pause. Enough with the lying and bullpoop and fake-ass humble poop.
get some scabs in, get some replacements, get the guys out of a job in russia because of the babies. show these princesses they arent needed or wanted.

alright, done, back to one line comments every week or so.
- zedniksghost

Feel better? (ps: (frank) the players)

yeah, i feel better. lol. could have summed it up i suppose.

Hi guys... I just finished up my final semester, and I have all of my Christmas shopping completed. I ended up spending about $100 less than I originally thought. Since I'll shortly be transitioning to full-time employment, I figured I won't need the money as badly as some other people out there may need it. Anyway, does anyone have Eric Cole's address? I'd like to send him the $100.

scumbags.... all of them...

It's not a question of revenue. It's a question of risk and profit. Players have zero risk all profit. Owners have all risk and the majority see little profit. Aside from the fact that players are employees, if they want the bigger slice of the pie, then they should share in the risk.

So whose argument is weak?
- MnGump

For example then let's pretend you work in an office building with 99 co-workers. Everyone makes $50,000/year. The owner makes $1,000,000/ year. That means there is 6 million in payroll available.

Are you saying you'd be okay with taking a pay cut down to $30,000 a year just to make things "fair". I mean the owner should be making $3,000,000/year if the entire work force combines to make $3,000,000/year. Am I right? The owner took all the risk...

For example then let's pretend you work in an office building with 99 co-workers. Everyone makes $50,000/year. The owner makes $1,000,000/ year. That means there is 6 million in payroll available.

Are you saying you'd be okay with taking a pay cut down to $30,000 a year just to make things "fair". I mean the owner should be making $3,000,000/year if the entire work force combines to make $3,000,000/year. Am I right? The owner took all the risk...
- I-own_da-Northwest

The flaw in this is that most owners are LOSING money.

Hi guys... I just finished up my final semester, and I have all of my Christmas shopping completed. I ended up spending about $100 less than I originally thought. Since I'll shortly be transitioning to full-time employment, I figured I won't need the money as badly as some other people out there may need it. Anyway, does anyone have Eric Cole's address? I'd like to send him the $100.
- laughs2907

You cheap bastard.

Most of you are better in the know than I'll ever be on this issue but just curious how much is Fehr getting paid as chief negotiator from NHLPA??

Hi guys... I just finished up my final semester, and I have all of my Christmas shopping completed. I ended up spending about $100 less than I originally thought. Since I'll shortly be transitioning to full-time employment, I figured I won't need the money as badly as some other people out there may need it. Anyway, does anyone have Eric Cole's address? I'd like to send him the $100.
- laughs2907

might be too late, but i'd check homeless shelters first, under bridges, sad shanty towns where all the players are huddled around a barrel, keeping warm with a fire or burning cardboard. In all likelyhood, it's too late though, you see, once a pro athlete stops taking 3 daily doses of ULTRA-MAX powerfuel DEISEL!!! 7000xxl monstrotein Ener-shake, he starts to wither, before you know it, they lack the energy to even dress themselves in tailored suits, start riding in first class instead of chartered planes, that kind of thing. and it gets worse, I'll spare you the details.

The flaw in this is that most owners are LOSING money.
- laughs2907

If you believe their numbers.

You cheap bastard.
- Scooby_Doo

Spend like Santa, save like Scrooge.

The workers for company E should be happy that they're all millionaires even though the company is losing money... The union should be grateful that membership has increased due to companies like E. The union should realize that there are bigger problems than just E. The union should also realize that they cannot gain benefits from the industry's successes, and be immune from their failures.
- laughs2907

The players do realize that they aren't immune from the companies failures. That is why they've agreed to take a lesser percentage share going forward. But what the Company has to learn is that they can't just keep taking from the players every time they mismanage their own Company. The Company should be grateful that they have such great players, that fans want to see play, and that fans are willing to buy merchandise that bears the name and the resemblance of the great players they have. All which contributes greatly to generating record revenue. And the Company also needs to realize is that fans don't come to the games to watch the owner sitting in the owners suite.

First...

might be too late, but i'd check homeless shelters first, under bridges, sad shanty towns where all the players are huddled around a barrel, keeping warm with a fire or burning cardboard. In all likelyhood, it's too late though, you see, once a pro athlete stops taking 3 daily doses of ULTRA-MAX powerfuel DEISEL!!! 7000xxl monstrotein Ener-shake, he starts to wither, before you know it, they lack the energy to even dress themselves in tailored suits, start riding in first class instead of chartered planes, that kind of thing. and it gets worse, I'll spare you the details.
- zedniksghost

I was originally just going to address it to Fehr's anus.

The flaw in this is that most owners are LOSING money.
- laughs2907

Yeah, it still boggles my mind that some people are so stupid, they can't wrap their head around revenue vs profit. The more appropriate comparison would be that the players take home $2.4M on average. The owners put up, on average, $500M, and take home about $8m. Less than the top players.

Exactly, that's what the pro-PA supporters always seem to leave out. Players don't share in the profit losses. Their money is guaranteed, they have no worries or responsibility in how good or poorly their respective franchise does at the end of the year. But hey, let's keep focusing on percentages and statistics that don't mean squat at the end of the day because that's for the owners to worry about.
- MnGump

PA supporters don't leave it out. None of the players in any of the professional Sports Leagues in existence, share in profit losses. What the supporters of the NHL and Owners try to do, is pass that responsibility off to the players. Instead of focusing on where that responsibility really lies with. And that's on the Owners and NHL themselves. For percentages that don't mean squat, the NHL and the PA sure spent a hell of a lot of time negotiating the revenue percentage. Maybe they were unaware that it doesn't mean squat!

For example then let's pretend you work in an office building with 99 co-workers. Everyone makes $50,000/year. The owner makes $1,000,000/ year. That means there is 6 million in payroll available.

Are you saying you'd be okay with taking a pay cut down to $30,000 a year just to make things "fair". I mean the owner should be making $3,000,000/year if the entire work force combines to make $3,000,000/year. Am I right? The owner took all the risk...
- I-own_da-Northwest

Are confusing 'owner' with 'the business'? Honest question. The owners don't make 50% in the proposed 50/50 split. The business makes 50%. Those revenues go to keep the business running.

Doesn't cost the PA one cent. That's the problem. They benefit from the jobs yet don't want to help secure it's future. Strange tactic.
- bloatedmosquito

How do you propose that the NHLPA helps secure the future of the Coyotes?

Are confusing 'owner' with 'the business'? Honest question. The owners don't make 50% in the proposed 50/50 split. The business makes 50%. Those revenues go to keep the business running.
- bloatedmosquito

I would also object to the term "make". More like "collect". The players make that money. The owners don't.

How much money did the owners have to put out to make that 9 million? 150 plus million? Only eight of them actually made money, the rest lost even after their 150 million dollar investment. I'd fire my accountant!
- LeftCoaster

And the yearly income is the only way that Owners make money by investing in a team, correct?
And we don't really know who made money and who didn't.

How do you propose that the NHLPA helps secure the future of the Coyotes?
- MJL

They don't have to do anything. Once they stop collecting significantly more than their fair share, and cease being a part of the problem, it's up to the Coyotes to make a profit. You act like them ceasing to be a problem is them footing the bill. They're not footing the bill. They're just ceasing to bleed the Coyotes, and several other teams dry.

The players do realize that they aren't immune from the companies failures. That is why they've agreed to take a lesser percentage share going forward. But what the Company has to learn is that they can't just keep taking from the players every time they mismanage their own Company. The Company should be grateful that they have such great players, that fans want to see play, and that fans are willing to buy merchandise that bears the name and the resemblance of the great players they have. All which contributes greatly to generating record revenue. And the Company also needs to realize is that fans don't come to the games to watch the owner sitting in the owners suite.
- MJL

Taking from the players every time they mismanage their own company? Do you realize how much player salaries have grown? And this goes back to what I just said... They're taking the benefits, but they think they're immune when things go wrong... How many players have complained about salaries going from a $1.7 million average to a $2.4 million average? Salaries are higher than ever, and there are more jobs than ever... You can't have it all.

Revenue means nothing, when profits are non existent for most teams.

Players need to realize that the owners are not there to lose millions. This is a (frank)ing business. They (The players) should be required to take a basic business/economics seminar before the next CBA comes into play.