Yesterday, MJL was NOT here.

There was what....9 pages worth of comments??

Now already, with a certain someone in the building, we're pushin page number 15.....




- Giroux_Is_God

My bad! I thought that's what an internet forum is for! Question, am I talking to myself online?

Yes but your jumping the point. Fixing the CBA is part of the problem. Firing the guy who continues to advise them poorly and try to paint a rose picture rather then fix his own mistakes is the other half. Bettman is just as big of problem right now as Fehr and the CBA. Maybe they should address that one and the other will follow a lot smoother
- Bieksa#3

Who knows... You may be right? Perhaps Bettman isn't helping things. I do know the previous CBA was garbage though, and has to be seriously altered to make things work. Fehr sucks balls as well.

Nice to see everything is back to normal here today.

I have nightmares that someday I'll have a co-worker like MJL or whatever his/her/its name is.
- laughs2907

He'll probably be your boss and making a hell of a lot more money then you are.

I have nightmares that someday I'll have a co-worker like MJL or whatever his/her/its name is.
- laughs2907

That would mean you'd have to get a job.

- Flyfreaky

Your hate for Fehr is because he is trying to make the players lose as little as possible . That is his job . The owners went so far as telling the players that if they brought him back in to close the deal it was a deal breaker . Nice - . Sorry you cannot have someone in here to make sure we do not screw you over big time . As for your opinion of whiny players . That is because they are allowed to speak their mind . They do not have a gag order on them like the owners do . If some of these owners were allowed to open there mouths it would set the game back 50 years.
The players know they are losing this deal , workers always do . They are just trying to lose as little as possible . The examples to normal industry all the player haters make do not apply here . The players are the product . They are not assembly line workers that can be easily replaced as all the haters would like to infer.
- Maximum Signal

Well said!

My bad! I thought that's what an internet forum is for! Question, am I talking to myself online?
- MJL

No, mostly arguing with everyone was the point.

No, mostly arguing with everyone was the point.

- sloppyseconds2

Perfectly within my rights. Again, am I arguing with myself?

I read exactly what you wrote. You wrote they aren't losing money a couple of times. I could link it if necessary. You're simply full of it. You're just trying to spin it to look like the players aren't losing money to try and make your point. You don't need a business degree to figure this one out.
- MJL

In actual dollar figures, they will not lose money. They are losing potential money... Within a couple of years, their salaries would have been higher than what they were last season... AND they wouldn't have lost an entire season's earnings (Which 95% of the league will never make back).

Do you really think the players were the losers in the last CBA?

No no no Wedgie,

They don't need to address player salaries. They need to fix their business model.

Everyone knows that players salaries are not an expense and therefore not a component of the business model.
- Aetherial

Of course it's salaries. But this issue is THE BUSINESS MODEL that drives salaries up for teams that lose money. Rolling back salaries for all teams - those that make money and those that don't - fixes nothing.

He'll probably be your boss and making a hell of a lot more money then you are.
- MJL

In what alternate universe would you run a successful business?

That would mean you'd have to get a job.
- Scooby_Doo

Your mom employs me.

In actual dollar figures, they will not lose money. They are losing potential money... Within a couple of years, their salaries would have been higher than what they were last season... AND they wouldn't have lost an entire season's earnings (Which 95% of the league will never make back).
- laughs2907

Within a couple of years with the same revenue growth regardless of what percentage they make. They will have earned less at 50% then they would of at 57%. Which means they will have lost money in the deal. The same way they lost money in the last CBA.

If you want to say that the players will not take a paycut, which remains to be seen. You might be right. If you want to say that they're salaries will go up as Revenue goes up, you'd be right. But to say that they aren't going to lose money in the deal in the future. You're incorrect.

Perfectly within my rights. Again, am I arguing with myself?



- MJL

You will be soon when everyone leaves.

Within a couple of years with the same revenue growth regardless of what percentage they make. They will have earned less at 50% then they would of at 57%. Which means they will have lost money in the deal. The same way they lost money in the last CBA.

If you want to say that the players will not take a paycut, which remains to be seen. You might be right. If you want to say that they're salaries will go up as Revenue goes up, you'd be right. But to say that they aren't going to lose money in the deal in the future. You're incorrect.
- MJL

Please... Please get a life

You will be soon when everyone leaves.

- sloppyseconds2

I put the odds of that right along with the NHL Season being cancelled. And yet here you are!

Your mom employs me.
- laughs2907

She's always helping out those in need.

In what alternate universe would you run a successful business?
- laughs2907

As Thornton Melon once said..."Fantasy Land?"

Within a couple of years with the same revenue growth regardless of what percentage they make. They will have earned less at 50% then they would of at 57%. Which means they will have lost money in the deal. The same way they lost money in the last CBA.

If you want to say that the players will not take a paycut, which remains to be seen. You might be right. If you want to say that they're salaries will go up as Revenue goes up, you'd be right. But to say that they aren't going to lose money in the deal in the future. You're incorrect.
- MJL

They lost potential money... They didn't "lose" money. Their salaries went from an average of 1.7 million to 2.4 million. Do you seriously consider the players to be the "losers" of the last CBA? Do you really think the owners were the "winners" in the last CBA?

She's always helping out those in need.
- Scooby_Doo

And boy oh boy does she help out... Sometimes 5-6 times a night

I read exactly what you wrote. You wrote they aren't losing money a couple of times. I could link it if necessary. You're simply full of it. You're just trying to spin it to look like the players aren't losing money to try and make your point. You don't need a business degree to figure this one out.
- MJL

The only way the players are "losing" money is if they are entitled to what they were making.

Let me give you a clue, THEY ARE NOT! THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO 57% of the revenues or any other number!

You want to know who is losing money??? The 13 NHL owners that have negative cash flow.

They lost potential money... They didn't "lose" money. Their salaries went from an average of 1.7 million to 2.4 million. Do you seriously consider the players to be the "losers" of the last CBA? Do you really think the owners were the "winners" in the last CBA?
- laughs2907

I think both sides made out well in some ways. In some ways they didn't. But there is no doubt that the players lost money in the last CBA. They lost billions. And they will lose a lot of future potential money in this deal.

Everyone here also seems to be forgetting the increase in franchise values. Mighty big gain for many teams within the last year. That adds a lot into the owner's ROI right there, even if their "profits" are low.

Then remember that profits as you see in this case is accounting profit, which can be a loss while actually being a net gain in cash flow. Not going to go into things, but the numbers you ever see for a profit, take them with a grain of salt.

As for the lockout, I don't get what is with picking sides. I hate Bettman more than Fehr, but they are just doing their jobs in trying whatever they can to get their sides deals that they think are favourable.

Now let's just wait for the lockout to last all year and the Pens to win the lottery and choose a future star centre from Cole Harbour like last time.

The only way the players are "losing" money is if they are entitled to what they were making.

Let me give you a clue, THEY ARE NOT! THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO 57% of the revenues or any other number!

You want to know who is losing money??? The 13 NHL owners that have negative cash flow.
- Shadyron

Ignore him. He knows all.