I can't make sense of this. I read it and pictured a hamster on a wheel.
What exactly is your question?
- Bieksa#3

His question is what's your offer?

I can't make sense of this. I read it and pictured a hamster on a wheel.
What exactly is your question?
- Bieksa#3

Seems perfectly understandable to me. You need me to use only one and two syllable words?

I ran nhlscap.com for 3+ years and still help out at capgeek. Yes, I'm pretty confident they get their signing bonus money (where it's in their contract); in fact, that's why teams will try to sign guys as early as possible - the kids get some money up front, the teams get a lower cap hit when the player actually hits the NHL because of the contract slide.
- Irish Blues

autogragh puh leassssssssse

Seems perfectly understandable to me. You need me to use only one and two syllable words?
- prock

OK now I'm gone... Enjoy your chat, guys

Seems perfectly understandable to me. You need me to use only one and two syllable words?
- prock

something like that. What is your question

I ran nhlscap.com for 3+ years and still help out at capgeek. Yes, I'm pretty confident they get their signing bonus money (where it's in their contract); in fact, that's why teams will try to sign guys as early as possible - the kids get some money up front, the teams get a lower cap hit when the player actually hits the NHL because of the contract slide.
- Irish Blues

Learn something every day. Look at Claude Giroux's EL deal. His contract slid the first year. You see his signing bonus still listed on the slide year. And how his Cap hit was reduced when he started in the NHL. Interesting. I didn't know that.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/748

Is this Chip?

Learn something every day. Look at Claude Giroux's EL deal. His contract slid the first year. You see his signing bonus still listed on the slide year. And how his Cap hit was reduced when he started in the NHL. Interesting.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/748
- MJL

You are a determined little fella

something like that. What is your question
- Bieksa#3

bettman bargains for deal.
deal is fair.
in fact, a better deal than he got is fair.
Bob Good Now fights deal. (real name too many silly bulls)
Arguing over deal costs season.
since you concede what Bettman was fighting for was fair, this means good now was fighting against what was fair.
therefore, isn't good now more at fault for lost season?

bettman bargains for
deal is fair.
in fact, a better deal than he got is fair.
Bob Good Now fights deal. (real name too many silly bulls)
Arguing over deal costs season.
since you concede what Bettman was fighting for was fair, this means good now was fighting against what was fair.
therefore, isn't good now more at fault for lost season?
- prock

Maybe. But where is he now? Point is Gary was willing to scrap a season to get this exact deal. Now he scraps another because its not fair? Good work bettman. Why don't we expand another 15 teams in Mexico and south America. Then wonder why those teams are losing money. If you read my post I clearly didn't defend Fehr, hell I even blamed him. What I'm saying is Bettman is a bigger problem

Yesterday, MJL was NOT here.

There was what....9 pages worth of comments??

Now already, with a certain someone in the building, we're pushin page number 15.....

Speaking of yesterday, who wore all black with me??


- Giroux_Is_God

Dude! I love that song.

and you also posted a helluva favourite albums list yesterday.

Your hate for Fehr is because he is trying to make the players lose as little as possible . That is his job . The owners went so far as telling the players that if they brought him back in to close the deal it was a deal breaker . Nice - . Sorry you cannot have someone in here to make sure we do not screw you over big time . As for your opinion of whiny players . That is because they are allowed to speak their mind . They do not have a gag order on them like the owners do . If some of these owners were allowed to open there mouths it would set the game back 50 years.
The players know they are losing this deal , workers always do . They are just trying to lose as little as possible . The examples to normal industry all the player haters make do not apply here . The players are the product . They are not assembly line workers that can be easily replaced as all the haters would like to infer.
- Maximum Signal

58-0 Seattle and they barely throw for 200 yds How in the hell does that happen?

The 3 top teams are part of the equation. Let's cut out the top players and see. Let's waste our time! That 3 teams made almost 90% of the profit, doesn't matter. His statement is still valid
- MJL

Top 3 players are not making 90% of the total players salaries. So if the top 3 owners are pulling in 90% of the approximated $280 million in revenues, that means that 27 other owners are sharing the other 10%. What does that come out to on average? A little over 1 million per team for 90% of the league?

So I stand by my original point. The fact that so few teams make a profit while so many don't is what skews the numbers. 13 of 30 teams don't. That's almost half the league where even the lowest paid players haul in no less than 100% profit. So you can't tell me the average owner makes 3 and 1/2 times more than the average player does.

58-0 Seattle and they barely throw for 200 yds How in the hell does that happen?
- Bieksa#3

His name is Lynch, Marshawn Lynch.

Seems perfectly understandable to me. You need me to use only one and two syllable words?
- prock

As a matter of fact...

His name is Lynch, Marshawn Lynch.
- Scooby_Doo

I think that this is a case of how poopty one team played rather then how well the other played

Maybe. But where is he now? Point is Gary was willing to scrap a season to get this exact deal. Now he scraps another because its not fair? Good work bettman. Why don't we expand another 15 teams in Mexico and south America. Then wonder why those teams are losing money. If you read my post I clearly didn't defend Fehr, hell I even blamed him. What I'm saying is Bettman is a bigger problem
- Bieksa#3

So, if he had scrapped three seasons to get to 50%, you'd be okay with it?

Top 3 players are not making 90% of the total players salaries. So if the top 3 owners are pulling in 90% of the approximated $280 million in revenues, that means that 27 other owners are sharing the other 10%. What does that come out to on average? A little over 1 million per team for 90% of the league?

So I stand by my original point. The fact that so few teams make a profit while so many don't is what skews the numbers. 13 of 30 teams don't. That's almost half the league where even the lowest paid players haul in no less than 100% profit. So you can't tell me the average owner makes 3 and 1/2 times more than the average player does.
- MnGump

There are over 700 players that make up 100% of player salaries. So of course the top 3 players don't make up 90% of total players salaries. There are only 30 Owners.

If you want to know if the average Owner makes more then the average player. All you have to know is what the average Owner makes versus the average player. How many of each there is, doesn't matter mathematically. But it's misleading.

So I do understand you're point.

So, if he had scrapped three seasons to get to 50%, you'd be okay with it?
- prock

Did you read the post you 1st quoted? What was the point in scrapping a season to get the deal bettman insisted on and the cry foul and do over again this yr? If the deal was garbage then why did Gary insist on losing a season to get it and later have yet another lockout to fix the deal you created a lockout to get? As I said Bettman is as big of problem as the cba

Did you read the post you 1st quoted? What was the point in scrapping a season to get the deal bettman insisted on and the cry foul and do over again this yr? If the deal was garbage then why did Gary insist on losing a season to get it and later have yet another lockout to fix the deal you created a lockout to get? As I said Bettman is as big of problem as the cba
- Bieksa#3

Probably because at the time, Bettman and the Owners didn't anticipate the Cap going up so much as Revenue soared. They made a mistake with that. They created their own mess.

Dude! I love that song.

and you also posted a helluva favourite albums list yesterday.
- Aetherial

I can play this on the piano. I had to yesterday....

And thanks!

All 13? Of course not, don't be silly. Prock mentioned that it was something like 10 or 11. And it's not just the 57% to 50% that will turn things around...

Gotta run.

Enjoy arguing over how many millions 20 year olds should make
- laughs2907

Sure it's all turned around for teams that are losing money until thevLeafs, Habs, etc drive their salaries out of reach again. I would back the owners if they were trying to fix the problems they created in the last CBA. But they're not trying to fix anything they are just trying to destroy the PA again so they roll back salaries whenever and however they want.

As Wedgie says it is illogical for the players to be fighting for contracting issues when it is costing them money. That is just as true for the owners. Unless both sides are stupid, they are fighting for something else - tearing thePA apart.

Probably because at the time, Bettman and the Owners didn't anticipate the Cap going up so much as Revenue soared. They made a mistake with that. They created their own mess.
- MJL

He also saw that he could crush the union and assumed he could do it again and keep getting the players to make up for the losses created by that system. Why do you think they hate Fehr so much.

He also saw that he could crush the union and assumed he could do it again and keep getting the players to make up for the losses created by that system. Why do you think they hate Fehr so much.
- Canada Cup

It's funny, you think it created losses. In fact, had they kept going as they were, it would very likely be much much worse. More realistically, it saved them hundreds of millions.

It's funny, you think it created losses. In fact, had they kept going as they were, it would very likely be much much worse. More realistically, it saved them hundreds of millions.
- prock

The salary floor is driving teams bankrupt. That is the key part of the system introduced in the last CBA. The rollback offset some of those losses for teams at the bottom and put a poop load of money in MLSE's bank account.