So terribly wrong. The NHL is blessed to have their 2 biggest and brightest stars be so media friendly and marketable.
- Bieksa#3

Caps and floors go together. Some leagues set the floor as a % of the cap which means it does not rise as much in absolute dollars. Would have given more flexibility to bottom level teams. Luxury tax would also be better. This system does not work with this much economic disparity between teams. It is Gary's system.
- Canada Cup

$1 for $1 luxery tax is without question the best and fairest system. After all Gary always likes to compare everything in the cba to the nbas system

Why is Cindy in the NHL?

It is because of what the NHL offers, because the OWNERS pay. You can argue that ultimately the fans pay, which is, of course, true.

Then you would be ignoring a large number of teams losing money. You could argue that also... but the PA isn't arguing it, so do you know more than the PA?
- Aetherial

and why can the owners continue to pay them? because the players keep the revenues coming on.

your point is irrelevant. it's a two way street.

- Cheeseballin

You must not watch much other pro sports to even question this

No, Fleury is not elite, but neither is Price. He certainly should be mentioned in the company of the players you put him in with in terms of marketing the game.

I don't really care about this argument but am mostly picking it because I wanted to talk about something besides the lockout.
- Emperor Filonius

Price is what Luongo was in Florida. Making the best of a poopty situation. When Montreal gets defensemen not named Kaberle or Komisarek they will be singing a different tune.

I respect your want for a non-lockout topic. I wish I could resist a lockout argument.

and there's someone that's best in the ahl, and echl to. exposure certainly plays a factor in it, but i'm thinking if mike zigomanis is one of the premiere nhl elite level stars, alot less tickets are going to be sold, and both sides are going to make alot less money.

the players are the merchandise. all these 'i'd watch anyone, it's the jersey that sells the game' arguments are a pile of poop. with an nhl lockout in place i don't see ahl and echl players and teams signing massive endorsement deals, and network partnerships to promote the next best class of 'faces of the game'.
- joel878

I highly doubt it. If he was the best in the world, people would still go to see the best in the world. It wouldn't matter. The reason people don't pay the same, and go in the same numbers, to AHL games, is they're not the best. If Zigomanis was the best in the world, he'd command the same crowd as Crosby does now.

Hell, it's not Ovechkin is really all that much of a marketing dream. He looks like a caveman.

Did the skill and ability of those Russian players have anything to gdo with the NHL being able to market those players successfully?
- MJL

Please just (frank)ing stop with the Pro player poop, We get your position here.
Whether it be a Russian player or not, The NHL pays the players based on performance, not popularity,
So if a said player is popular, you feel the NHL should pay him more???
Those said players make millions on endorsements to everything from corn flakes to hockey skates, do they cut some of that money back to the NHL? After all the NHL provided the stage for them to display their tallent, should they not get a cut of player endorsements? On the flip side, the players want a cut of the profits generated by the NHL.
MJL, even you can see the BS here, or can you?

You must not watch much other pro sports to even question this
- Bieksa#3

Aside from Ovie. NHL players are robots. Boy arnt those Sedin twins quite personable

I highly doubt it. If he was the best in the world, people would still go to see the best in the world. It wouldn't matter. The reason people don't pay the same, and go in the same numbers, to AHL games, is they're not the best. If Zigomanis was the best in the world, he'd command the same crowd as Crosby does now.

Hell, it's not Ovechkin is really all that much of a marketing dream. He looks like a caveman.
- prock

If Zigomanis was Crosby then he would make money for the NHL like Crosby does. But if you aunt had balls she'd be your uncle also.

Caps and floors go together. Some leagues set the floor as a % of the cap which means it does not rise as much in absolute dollars. Would have given more flexibility to bottom level teams. Luxury tax would also be better. This system does not work with this much economic disparity between teams. It is Gary's system.
- Canada Cup

So you're saying that's the case in all the pro sports that have a cap?

I highly doubt it. If he was the best in the world, people would still go to see the best in the world. It wouldn't matter. The reason people don't pay the same, and go in the same numbers, to AHL games, is they're not the best. If Zigomanis was the best in the world, he'd command the same crowd as Crosby does now.

Hell, it's not Ovechkin is really all that much of a marketing dream. He looks like a caveman.
- prock

for sure they would, they'd go to see the best players in the world. they're not seeking out games to shell money out on to watch an allegedly popular team, full of 4th line hacks. the players sell the game.

and as cavemanish as he is, he's revolutionized his entire franchise. the man barely spoke english and ovechkin uni's are flying off the shelves. wierd, alot of people around here would have you believe even ovi sweaters were being outsold by larry tannenbaum jerseys.

Did the skill and ability of those Russian players have anything to do with the NHL being able to market those players successfully?
- MJL

I have never seen someone say so much, while saying so little.

Please just (frank)ing stop with the Pro player poop, We get your position here.
Whether it be a Russian player or not, The NHL pays the players based on performance, not popularity,
So if a said player is popular, you feel the NHL should pay him more???
Those said players make millions on endorsements to everything from corn flakes to hockey skates, do they cut some of that money back to the NHL? After all the NHL provided the stage for them to display their tallent, should they not get a cut of player endorsements? On the flip side, the players want a cut of the profits generated by the NHL.
MJL, even you can see the BS here, or can you?
- sloppyseconds2

The players don't want a cut of profits. They want a cut of revenue. Should the players play for free? What the hell are you talking about?

Being popular and being skilled sometimes goes hand in hand. Sidney Crosby is both popular and hated among fans, and highly skilled. But you can bet that when he comes to other cities to play, he puts people in the seats.

if the Owners can get player endorsement money to be included in HRR, more power to them.

and why can the owners continue to pay them? because the players keep the revenues coming on.

your point is irrelevant. it's a two way street.
- joel878

yap yap yap yap yap

Back in your purse!

If Zigomanis was Crosby then he would make money for the NHL like Crosby does. But if you aunt had balls she'd be your uncle also.
- trolleytracks

Aside from Ovie. NHL players are robots. Boy arnt those Sedin twins quite personable
- Cheeseballin

Wasn't the original comment about Crosby and Ovechkin being the 2 biggest stars and being very media friendly and marketable? I'm not sure where your going with this? Currently no other sport has its 2 biggest stars so media friendly and marketable at the same time. Most are one but not both. Tom Brady is without question both for the NFL.

So you're saying that's the case in all the pro sports that have a cap?
- prock

NFL and NBA both have floors.

yap yap yap yap yap

Back in your purse!
- Aetherial

back in your purse?

grow up man, seriously.. grow the (frank) up.

Please just (frank)ing stop with the Pro player poop, We get your position here.
Whether it be a Russian player or not, The NHL pays the players based on performance, not popularity,
So if a said player is popular, you feel the NHL should pay him more???
Those said players make millions on endorsements to everything from corn flakes to hockey skates, do they cut some of that money back to the NHL? After all the NHL provided the stage for them to display their tallent, should they not get a cut of player endorsements? On the flip side, the players want a cut of the profits generated by the NHL.
MJL, even you can see the BS here, or can you?
- sloppyseconds2

hey Sloppy, PurseDog just managed to ignore half my point in this thread.

Someone made a list of the most prominent Pro PA supporters on this site. They should all be embarrassed to be associated with each other. I would immediately become an owner supporter if I had these people arguing on my side.

back in your purse?

grow up man, seriously.. grow the (frank) up.
- joel878

yip yap yap yap yap yip yip

It seems almost like you took your Ritalin today!?

hey Sloppy, PurseDog just managed to ignore half my point in this thread.

Someone made a list of the most prominent Pro PA supporters on this site. They should all be embarrassed to be associated with each other. I would immediately become an owner supporter if I had these people arguing on my side.
- Aetherial

so.. what you're suggesting, is that under all that hero chest pounding, you actually have a point?

.. riiight.

NFL and NBA both have floors.
- Canada Cup

When do we get to just go back to bickering with fans of other teams.

This lockout used to be so entertaining, now it is just boring.

Reminds of the story of a Leafs season in that regard.

The players don't want a cut of profits. They want a cut of revenue. Should the players play for free? What the hell are you talking about?

Being popular and being skilled sometimes goes hand in hand. Sidney Crosby is both popular and hated among fans, and highly skilled. But you can bet that when he comes to other cities to play, he puts people in the seats.

if the Owners can get player endorsement money to be included in HRR, more power to them.
- MJL

Where the (frank) did I say that?
You're an train wreck in the making.
I can't continue to chat with someone who reads something that isn;t there.

yip yap yap yap yap yip yip

It seems almost like you took your Ritalin today!?
- Aetherial

and there it is. you make a legitimate point to the wiener, and it's immediately the same childish routine he's been so awkwardly proud of for a month now.

my 7 year old is more trainable.

Wasn't the original comment about Crosby and Ovechkin being the 2 biggest stars and being very media friendly and marketable? I'm not sure where your going with this? Currently no other sport has its 2 biggest stars so media friendly and marketable at the same time. Most are one but not both. Tom Brady is without question both for the NFL.
- Bieksa#3

Um NFL has many many more sir. Many more marketable and friendly stars