So Fehr didn't ruin baseball? I'm relieved.
- Canada Cup

he did in Canada but the Jays have stunk. Expos may have survived if they won WS in 94.

What does that have to do with anything? What were the losses during that same period?
- bloatedmosquito

Companies lose money. Companies that lose money in industries that are growing have bigger problems. Maybe their payrolls shouldn't be determined by the companies that are making money.

Since the last lockout the average player salary has increased from 1.7 million to 2.4
- laughs2907

Players need to make a living, owners don't buy hockey teams to make Money every year, if they did they are morons.

Company E should (frank)ing move to Quebec City or Markham and shouldn't be forced to pay same salary as Company A because of a stupid CBA that all the companies argued for.
- Canada Cup

The workers for company E should be happy that they're all millionaires even though the company is losing money... The union should be grateful that membership has increased due to companies like E. The union should realize that there are bigger problems than just E. The union should also realize that they cannot gain benefits from the industry's successes, and be immune from their failures.

What does that have to do with anything? What were the losses during that same period?
- bloatedmosquito

Exactly, that's what the pro-PA supporters always seem to leave out. Players don't share in the profit losses. Their money is guaranteed, they have no worries or responsibility in how good or poorly their respective franchise does at the end of the year. But hey, let's keep focusing on percentages and statistics that don't mean squat at the end of the day because that's for the owners to worry about.

Players need to make a living, owners don't buy hockey teams to make Money every year, if they did they are morons.
- Scooby_Doo

Thank you

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Can I play?

Since 2002/03, NHL revenues have grown from $1.996B to $3.4B.

Players share +13.8%
Owners share. + 238.6 %
- Canada Cup

Revenue is not profit.

Can I play?

Since 2002/03, NHL revenues have grown from $1.996B to $3.4B.

Players share +13.8%
Owners share. + 238.6 %
- Canada Cup

Now run the numbers post 2005 and do profits like I spoke about.

Players need to make a living, owners don't buy hockey teams to make Money every year, if they did they are morons.
- Scooby_Doo

I agree 100%

The players would not be able to make a living under the NHL's latest proposal.

And yes, it should be perfectly fine for the owners to lose money. The NHL isn't a business. It's a charity.

yep only a 12 billion dollar TV contract.
- Feeling_Glucky

Did Fehr negotiate that as well?

Revenue is not profit.
- LeftCoaster

Oh

Thank you

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- Symba007

If you are a billionaire and want to become a millionaire... Buy an NHL team.

I agree 100%

The players would not be able to make a living under the NHL's latest proposal.

And yes, it should be perfectly fine for the owners to lose money. The NHL isn't a business. It's a charity.
- laughs2907

Nice to see the poor taxpayers of Glendale contributing to the billionaires charity.

Companies lose money. Companies that lose money in industries that are growing have bigger problems. Maybe their payrolls shouldn't be determined by the companies that are making money.
- Canada Cup

Holy poop. Terrible argument.

Isn't that exactly what unions do? They look at the industry standard and apply that to their negotiation regardless of the health of the business they are negotiating with.

Can I play?

Since 2002/03, NHL revenues have grown from $1.996B to $3.4B.

Players share +13.8%
Owners share. + 238.6 %
- Canada Cup

Where does this number come from?

Players need to make a living, owners don't buy hockey teams to make Money every year, if they did they are morons.
- Scooby_Doo

Here we go again... According to Scooby here, the players need reassurance that they can continue to piss away tens of millions of dollars over a career so that they can maintain their millionaire life style long after their careers as players are over with.

I mean yeah, pro sports players should be entitled to millions of dollars a year for playing a game and shouldn't be expected to be financially responsible because they're millionaire athletes who should be worshiped and held as the high standard of society. Therefore give them as much money as they want! And besides, if you are forced to live in Manhattan, you should automatically be entitled to an extra few million a year to adjust for the cost of living and inflation rates there. Makes sense to me. Hey they have a lifestyle to maintain guys! Duh! That should be a given in any CBA.

Holy poop. Terrible argument.

Isn't that exactly what unions do? They look at the industry standard and apply that to their negotiation regardless of the health of the business they are negotiating with.
- bloatedmosquito

No that's what the owners did in the last CBA. Unions can negotiate for it. The owner mandated it.

Where does this number come from?
- Atomic Wedgie

Dan Tolensky. No idea where he got them.

I agree 100%

The players would not be able to make a living under the NHL's latest proposal.

And yes, it should be perfectly fine for the owners to lose money. The NHL isn't a business. It's a charity.
- laughs2907

You should have told Scooby you were being sarcastic, he won't understand

Where does this number come from?
- Atomic Wedgie

Where does this number come from?
- Atomic Wedgie

His ass.

- Symba007

Beat me to it

His ass.
- laughs2907

Late but still as funny as the first time.

Late but still as funny as the first time.
- Canada Cup

I'd be rich if it were true (pic)

You should have told Scooby you were being sarcastic, he won't understand
- flyerdude17