The players have to take this. For MJL, there ARE things the owners gave players here that are improvements on the last CBA for players. They must take this deal:

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...s-of-nhls-dec-27-proposal
- mrhattrick27

Wow..some interesting stuff in there.

MJL needs to write his own business book, because he's the only one that understands what he is saying. By using concession bargaining definition, make whole is a concession, but MJL conveniently sees it as money owed to the players anyway.
- rmdevil313

If you read the highlights the NHL makes plenty of other concessions that were not a part of the original CBA. NHLPA must sign this. Big things as a player I'd like are the 3rd party appeal process (NFL players didn't get this and if were them I woulda fought tooth and nail for that..), and they get better waiver structure that benefits them. Those are big to players. They will fight the drop in cap to $60. That is going to cause soem unlikely canidates to have the amnesty clause put against them as teams MUST be under that $60 mil. For big market owners too they have to hate that. Rangers built their team around the $70 mil number. Teams offered contracts around that number. I love Cally, I don't think he'd get $4.25 Mil with a $60 mil cap. It changes all the economics. That is the one thing i'm shakey about.

If you read the highlights the NHL makes plenty of other concessions that were not a part of the original CBA. NHLPA must sign this. Big things as a player I'd like are the 3rd party appeal process (NFL players didn't get this and if were them I woulda fought tooth and nail for that..), and they get better waiver structure that benefits them. Those are big to players. They will fight the drop in cap to $60. That is going to cause soem unlikely canidates to have the amnesty clause put against them as teams MUST be under that $60 mil. For big market owners too they have to hate that. Rangers built their team around the $70 mil number. Teams offered contracts around that number. I love Cally, I don't think he'd get $4.25 Mil with a $60 mil cap. It changes all the economics. That is the one thing i'm shakey about.
- mrhattrick27

I'd still pay cally 4.25, and if not he's not a player I would mind overpaying.

I really don't see what the players wouldn't like in this offer.

Wow..some interesting stuff in there.
- opeth_pa

As a fan the biggest things are we are taking a lot of pages out of the NBA playbook:

-We now have sign and trades.

-Every non-playoff team has a shot at #1 pick.

-Amnesty buyout

and non-NBA related:
-Immediate drop to $60 mil. (really could put major changes into the league and my rangers )

-And (not sure if this is like the NBA) but a 3rd party appeals process.

-No long-term loophole contracts ala Brad Richards and Kovi.

Those are the big things I got out of it.

If you read the highlights the NHL makes plenty of other concessions that were not a part of the original CBA. NHLPA must sign this. Big things as a player I'd like are the 3rd party appeal process (NFL players didn't get this and if were them I woulda fought tooth and nail for that..), and they get better waiver structure that benefits them. Those are big to players. They will fight the drop in cap to $60. That is going to cause soem unlikely canidates to have the amnesty clause put against them as teams MUST be under that $60 mil. For big market owners too they have to hate that. Rangers built their team around the $70 mil number. Teams offered contracts around that number. I love Cally, I don't think he'd get $4.25 Mil with a $60 mil cap. It changes all the economics. That is the one thing i'm shakey about.
- mrhattrick27

There will be no deal.

Isnt everyone tired of dashed expectations yet?

As a fan the biggest things are we are taking a lot of pages out of the NBA playbook:

-We now have sign and trades.

-Every non-playoff team has a shot at #1 pick.

-Amnesty buyout

and non-NBA related:
-Immediate drop to $60 mil. (really could put major changes into the league and my rangers )

-And (not sure if this is like the NBA) but a 3rd party appeals process.

-No long-term loophole contracts ala Brad Richards and Kovi.

Those are the big things I got out of it.
- mrhattrick27

AHL contracts of a certain amount back on the book, meeting period before July 1 among others.

I'd still pay cally 4.25, and if not he's not a player I would mind overpaying.

I really don't see what the players wouldn't like in this offer.
- rmdevil313

Ok fine, but that wasn't my point. My one point is it throws the economics off. A player you thought was going to eat a certain % of your cap, but you deem worth it, now will be eating up a lot more. $10 is a LOT of cap to lose if you were anticipating on it being there. Thats 2 major major players.

MJL needs to write his own business book, because he's the only one that understands what he is saying. By using concession bargaining definition, make whole is a concession, but MJL conveniently sees it as money owed to the players anyway.
- rmdevil313

AHL contracts of a certain amount back on the book, meeting period before July 1 among others.
- rmdevil313

I I forgot that in the NBA stuff, the "wine and dine" period. Lots of stuff taken from the NBA here. Not sure if thats good or bad.. (i hate the nba).

AHL contracts of a certain amount back on the book, meeting period before July 1 among others.
- rmdevil313

Double post.

"Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance

Interesting part of NHL offer (obtained by @Real_ESPNLeBrun) is draft lottery in which all non-playoff teams have crack at No. 1 pick. "





I like this, it will help get rid of the silly tanking talk.
- Cfser

i dont like that at all. i can get behind something along the lines of no team can pick first overall in consecutive years (because what Edmonton is doing is a complete joke), but no way should teams with 90-point seasons be eligible for the first overall pick.

i dont like that at all. i can get behind something along the lines of no team can pick first overall in consecutive years (because what Edmonton is doing is a complete joke), but no way should teams with 90-point seasons be eligible for the first overall pick.
- DoubleDown

It would be < 1% (if they take the NBA model). But...... Thats how the Bulls got D. Rose if I remember correctly....

If you read the highlights the NHL makes plenty of other concessions that were not a part of the original CBA. NHLPA must sign this. Big things as a player I'd like are the 3rd party appeal process (NFL players didn't get this and if were them I woulda fought tooth and nail for that..), and they get better waiver structure that benefits them. Those are big to players. They will fight the drop in cap to $60. That is going to cause soem unlikely canidates to have the amnesty clause put against them as teams MUST be under that $60 mil. For big market owners too they have to hate that. Rangers built their team around the $70 mil number. Teams offered contracts around that number. I love Cally, I don't think he'd get $4.25 Mil with a $60 mil cap. It changes all the economics. That is the one thing i'm shakey about.
- mrhattrick27

Unlikely as they already are on a counteroffer as per kypreos

Ok fine, but that wasn't my point. My one point is it throws the economics off. A player you thought was going to eat a certain % of your cap, but you deem worth it, now will be eating up a lot more. $10 is a LOT of cap to lose if you were anticipating on it being there. Thats 2 major major players.
- mrhattrick27

Very true. Those teams rushing to sign their players before the CBA expired are looking pretty foolish right now.

Unlikely as they already are on a counteroffer as per kypreos
- burn

but there are 2 types of counters: the kind that the PA put together 3 weeks ago which is simply designed to blow negotiations up; and the kind where minor tweaks are made, significant but small enough not to scuttle the deal.

I I forgot that in the NBA stuff, the "wine and dine" period. Lots of stuff taken from the NBA here. Not sure if thats good or bad.. (i hate the nba).
- mrhattrick27

I think that its mostly positive. Lesser players can maximize their value because they know who will be interested and what you can get on the market. Elite players could probably leverage for max deals. Even for teams, it gives you a ballpark of what you need to offer to match.

- PatC80

Very true. Those teams rushing to sign their players before the CBA expired are looking pretty foolish right now.
- rmdevil313

Good. They need to start burning teams for pulling that kind of crap.

but there are 2 types of counters: the kind that the PA put together 3 weeks ago which is simply designed to blow negotiations up; and the kind where minor tweaks are made, significant but small enough not to scuttle the deal.
- DoubleDown

Um ok.

Good. They need to start burning teams for pulling that kind of crap.
- prock

Yup. No complaints here.

does a hobbit play for svk?

baggins?

Very true. Those teams rushing to sign their players before the CBA expired are looking pretty foolish right now.
- rmdevil313

I'm not just talking about them. I am talking about even responsible GMs. Those deals were signed with a certain cap in mind. Now the economics have changed as you have less budget to work with.

EDIT: For example, I dont think the Rangers trade for Nash if they thought the cap would drop by $10.

The owners don't give concessions. The PA does. They are not business partners, business partners do not oppose one another in a CBA. That's what Concession bargaining is referring to. The Union surrendering previously gained improvements in pay and/or benefits/conditions in exchange for some form of job security.
- MnGump

As a matter of Labor law, that is correct. I finally taught you something!

I'm not just talking about them. I am talking about even responsible GMs. Those deals were signed with a certain cap in mind. Now the economics have changed as you have less budget to work with.

EDIT: For example, I dont think the Rangers trade for Nash if they thought the cap would drop by $10.
- mrhattrick27

Yeah but you have to think they knew it was going down in the next CBA, maybe not 10 million but they knew it was going to be a gamble either way.

MJL needs to write his own business book, because he's the only one that understands what he is saying. By using concession bargaining definition, make whole is a concession, but MJL conveniently sees it as money owed to the players anyway.
- rmdevil313

It's not money owed to the players already? Please explain how it isn't?