For the life of me, I don't see why the players are crying. They are listening to a man the killed baseball, I wonder if don is moonlighting as a chemist, and made the Kool-Aid into a powder form. The players are snorting the Kool-Aid powder and now they are addicted to Don. I guess we fans can call it fehr'ism
Definition of fehr'ism: Someone that is addicted to Don's JOHNSON. For you stupid people out there, that means (little man, shlong, pipe) and for you sophisticated people (penis).
Here is how I see it. Gary Bettman is the most player friendly commissioner I have ever seen. So before you go "WHAT" "is this guy snorting bettman's crack". Just shut up and read.
Gary Bettman took over as commissioner Feb 1, 1993.
There were 24 teams in the "little known, who cares league" with 23 players on the playing roster. Let do the math
24X23=552 players in the NHL with the Avg.Salary with around $572,000
Now fast forward to now.
There are 30 teams in the "Well known, Fan loved league" with 23 players on the playing roster. Let do the math
30x23=690 players in the NHL with the Avg.Salary of around $2.4 million
That around 138 extra players that have jobs with Avg.Salary of around $2.4 million
So let me get this straight. On Average 34 players that won't have had a job are making millions. Let do the math * I took 138/4=34.5 that how I got the average.
34x2.4 million = 57.6 million to player that are overpaid.
What I don't understand is how people and players can bash the man. Hell the average NFL player makes NFL $1.9 million with an $8.3 billion in revenue.
The NFL made over 2x more money that the NHL.
News flash beep beep. The NHL is mostly gate driven. The NFL has Hugh TV deals.
Canadians, I will get to your little man syndrome later.
So what I don't get is Troy Brouwer. Quote from troy .
I don’t know if anything’s going to happen because obviously the players aren’t happy with the last deal they gave us.
News flash Troy you were here.
2004-2005 Moose Jaw Warriors-WHL
Let see, you want more money. I hope the caps trade you away; the caps need man not players hanging from Don's JOHNSON.
What do you know about the last lockout Troy?
So basically the players think they are all that and a box of Ho Hos. look at what happened to Hostess you Ding Dong.
The best part of all of it is. It will be the last time you play in the NHL. Look at what happened to the average NHL player last time. NEVER PLAYED AGAIN LOL
Now we get to the Canadians.
People, people the world knows you have a little man syndrome, and the only thing you really have is hockey. Wake up little USA up north. Your children are killing your sport.
That's what happens when your kids are stupid. Most of the players shouldn't think, breed or breathe. Play dam hockey.
Now Back to Bettman, you little USA up north. Your just pissed because, the all mighty Gary Bettman, grow your game, made millionaire out of your dumb as dirty kids, and players still have the balls,
Well Don has a set up 690 or so balls in his bags. Know I see why the man acts the way he does. Dam, hauling around 690 sets of family jewels would make me act funny too.
Labor unions are good for people that work hard for a life time. They protect the common people of the world. Back in the day the players never want to be known as a union. Man how times have changed.
P.S. The letters for you people that can’t read: NHLPA National Hockey League Players' Association.
Where do you get off calling your over paid ass a union. Associations are what killed the union.
Union Or Association – What Is The Difference And Why Does It Matter?
http://www.addictinginfo....e-and-why-does-it-matter/
So that’s right, yell at the man that did all that for your sport and kids. Dam, I believe your Canadians education sucks, the left side of the bag of (family jewels) Don's holding.
How I would fix the lockout.
Kill the salary cap floor, give them long term contracts, 350 million to make whole, 10 year CBA.
Then trade Troy Brouwer to any stupid team that wants him and the sign roman hamerlik to a player/coach contract.
- voodoospace

Did you write this on your I phone

Opinions are like anus's, we all have one. You surpass opinion and stand on your soap box and preach that yours is the only opinion, and the world is wrong if we don't see it through your rose colored, cool aid drinking NHLPA way.
I still say you're Larry Brooks in disguise.
- gstrandberg

I agree. For years I've listened to people on forums whining for an "ignore" button and thought how stupid that is...

But bring in this guy, who will hold onto some nonsense and argue about it on and on and on... for days.... yeeesh.

Maybe one day he will drop his car keys into lava and learn the valuable lesson of "letting go".

Credit to Ek for breaking this first.

Personally I think the NHL have offered this too early. They actually think that Fehr wants to get a deal done ASAP. But it is pretty clear that Fehr has no intention of making a deal until the last possible moment. He will come back with something else the players want, probably something that has never been discussed up until now. We won't see a deal until at least Jan 10.

Maybe in revenue but not profit. Why did only 8 of the 30 teams make a profit then? I've read other articles that said only 3 teams made money, although I think 8 is more accurate.
- Homer

articles stating that different amounts of teams made money? Could it be either of them have the actual numbers? Hmmm

Credit to Ek for breaking this first.

Personally I think the NHL have offered this too early. They actually think that Fehr wants to get a deal done ASAP. But it is pretty clear that Fehr has no intention of making a deal until the last possible moment. He will come back with something else the players want, probably something that has never been discussed up until now. We won't see a deal until at least Jan 10.
- niedermayer27

LOL!

The funny thing is that the owners have Fehr believing that he is "winning" these negotiations by getting the owners to give more and more ground on the side issues like contract length.

I think that the owners only ever really cared about one thing: getting to 50/50. They had to make up other issues that they didn't really care about like contract length and year-to-year % variance so that the NHLPA would trade off the 50/50 in exchange for winning the small battles.

Fehr can wait it out until January if he wants. The NHL still got 50/50 which was all they really wanted and for which they have been willing to sacrifice half a season from the beginning.

Credit to Ek for breaking this first.

Personally I think the NHL have offered this too early. They actually think that Fehr wants to get a deal done ASAP. But it is pretty clear that Fehr has no intention of making a deal until the last possible moment. He will come back with something else the players want, probably something that has never been discussed up until now. We won't see a deal until at least Jan 10.
- niedermayer27

Same can be said for the league? Where was this offer before the season started? The offer they made before the season started was "take it or leave it" and the best they could do and will only get worse. Yet here we are in Dec with an offer of around a billion better. Funny how is alright for the NHL to use tactics up till the last minute but fehr is wrong to do it.

I think the players will okay a seven year limit...

articles stating that different amounts of teams made money? Could it be either of them have the actual numbers? Hmmm
- Bieksa#3

If Forbes is good enough for that asswipe Alan Walsh to cite as a source of the growing value of franchises for the "greedy owners" then it is good enough for the rest of us to cite as % of teams turning a profit or not.

NHLPA has access to all the financial data and you may have noticed they have not questioned the validity of these claims even once.

whats hockey?

Credit to Ek for breaking this first.

Personally I think the NHL have offered this too early. They actually think that Fehr wants to get a deal done ASAP. But it is pretty clear that Fehr has no intention of making a deal until the last possible moment. He will come back with something else the players want, probably something that has never been discussed up until now. We won't see a deal until at least Jan 10.
- niedermayer27

This ^^^^. I've been saying this all along too; this won't get done until the very last day (if at all) until the players and Fehr have squeezed every last bit they can get out of the owners. I agree that this offer, while sorta refreshing by breaking the stalemate, was too early and that it'll probably just hurt the owners rather than help them.

That moment, when Eklund is trying so hard to prove that the NHL is coming back, yet were almost into January. Nice one

Same can be said for the league? Where was this offer before the season started? The offer they made before the season started was "take it or leave it" and the best they could do and will only get worse. Yet here we are in Dec with an offer of around a billion better. Funny how is alright for the NHL to use tactics up till the last minute but fehr is wrong to do it.
- Bieksa#3

There is a difference - the owners have made a ton of offers, and Fehr has made hardly any. It is pretty clear that his tactic is to sit back and not sign ANY deal until the beginning of January.

This ^^^^. I've been saying this all along too; this won't get done until the very last day (if at all) until the players and Fehr have squeezed every last bit they can get out of the owners. I agree that this offer, while sorta refreshing by breaking the stalemate, was too early and that it'll probably just hurt the owners rather than help them.
- Saundies

Give up, its useless

That moment, when Eklund is trying so hard to prove that the NHL is coming back, yet were almost into January. Nice one
- Mapleleafs_91

Actually, many reputable hockey writers have given Eklund credit as the first person to break this story.

This ^^^^. I've been saying this all along too; this won't get done until the very last day (if at all) until the players and Fehr have squeezed every last bit they can get out of the owners. I agree that this offer, while sorta refreshing by breaking the stalemate, was too early and that it'll probably just hurt the owners rather than help them.
- Saundies

I agree with this as well and also agree with those that say the NHL has shown weakness/desperation by offering hand-over-fist offer after offer after offer with better and better deals.

This is where my suspicion kicks in and I start to see the NHL strategy of appearing to bargain in good faith, an argument that may one day soon be made in front of a judge and where the league is likely to claim that the NHLPA has not made an honest attempt at a deal.

Actually, many reputable hockey writers have given Eklund credit as the first person to break this story.
- cap1681

Congrats *clap clap*, implying there is going to be a hockey season at all for the NHL when we're already in January. Sit back and watch the juniours, thats all we have.

Give up, its useless
- Mapleleafs_91

Didn't try to say I was hopeful, in fact I alluded to the "uselessness" of it by saying "if at all." I'm not optimistic and refuse to be anymore after the last round of insanity they called negotiations.

Uh, yeah, it will cost another month's salary for the PA to get an extra year added on to contracts affecting 10% of the PA.

Winning.
- Aetherial

Nope. The owners were always going to hold ouot until January. It was their plan all along. they are QUOTED as saying it. This was the expectation. The players would never have seen the money. Just google the expecations of how long the lock out would last by organizations.

Tiger Blood.

Congrats *clap clap*, implying there is going to be a hockey season at all for the NHL when we're already in January. Sit back and watch the juniours, thats all we have.
- Mapleleafs_91

Then why are you here???? Just to stir the pot?? Your should be used to this, isnt hockey usually over by January 1st for the Leafs?

If Forbes is good enough for that asswipe Alan Walsh to cite as a source of the growing value of franchises for the "greedy owners" then it is good enough for the rest of us to cite as % of teams turning a profit or not.

NHLPA has access to all the financial data and you may have noticed they have not questioned the validity of these claims even once.
- Senators2112

The PA cannot release any of those numbers even if they wanted to. The NHL named those financial figures in their lawsuit against the PA and the threat of a disclaimer. They labeled those financial figures as " proprietary and confidential" therefor they can't even hint at those numbers much less confirm or deny the validity. Thus the silence

Again with this?
- Vukota

truth is truth.

I agree with this as well and also agree with those that say the NHL has shown weakness/desperation by offering hand-over-fist offer after offer after offer with better and better deals.

This is where my suspicion kicks in and I start to see the NHL strategy of appearing to bargain in good faith, an argument that may one day soon be made in front of a judge and where the league is likely to claim that the NHLPA has not made an honest attempt at a deal.
- Senators2112

Yeah you could be right with your suspicions. I think the fat lady sang on this long ago and will continue to do so unless some miracle can shut her up. Everybody wants to say that these are just labor talks and that they're hard and stuff, but when an entire season can be lost on so little technicalities, that just shows you how much bad blood is really there. It makes me think that these guys are just hellbent on destroying each other, no matter what the cost.

Nope. The owners were always going to hold ouot until January. It was their plan all along. they are QUOTED as saying it. This was the expectation. The players would never have seen the money. Just google the expecations of how long the lock out would last by organizations.

Tiger Blood.
- Beatle_john

They are not quoted as saying they will hold out until January. They are quoted as saying they think a deal won't be done until January. Because they knew that Fehr would not agree to a deal until the last minute.

Give up, its useless
- Mapleleafs_91

there will be a season, sorry negative Nancy.

there will be a season, sorry negative Nancy.
- Feeling_Glucky

How about, no.