I dont think you come here often enough then. Its not scott-free but they arent being held accountable, like Fehr is. It is not an even balance as it should be.
- systemtool

That's because blame shouldn't be balanced out equally.

Sure both parties are at fault...but they're not at fault equally.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
54m
In the interest of accuracy, @Eklund was first to report the NHL offer to NHLPA.
- TimB

holy poop

People blame Fehr because the PA has yet to make a valid proposal and we are well over 100 days into the lockout.. Everything is being done by the owners to try and save the season. Fehr is a bigtime douche
- PatC80

No one knows where the NHLPA stands on many issues, as they haven`t made a full proposal. They just take the good bits they like from NHL offers. Thats the problem, they onl;y reject and critisize, never initiate.

Negotiate by not negotiating.

E5 ---- *sigh*

Highly doubt that.

If we're taking on that Luongo contract, Van will be taking back dollars as well. Komi will probably be apart of the package...and you will not get any of Percy/Franson/Finn.
- Pen15

Like Komi and a 3rd? No offense but you sound like Scooby. That is the tor equivalent of Gardiner and a 1st. Will komi be on top of one of those offers? Maybe but doubtful. Is Luongos contract bad? Yep sure is. But he is still an elite player. Komi is a horrible player with a horrible cntract

That's because blame shouldn't be balanced out equally.

Sure both parties are at fault...but they're not at fault equally.
- Pen15

How are they not both to blame equally?

If this was Bettman and Fehrs first time at their respective jobs you would be right. The fact the NHL has done this before twice, and has sacrificed a full season, should be proof enough that they are just as much to blame as anyone.

E5 ---- *sigh*
- Beatle_john

I feel so violated...

I have yet to see one poster completely remove all blame from the NHL for getting into this mess...

The separate question however, is who has dragged this out longer than it needs to be? And that, is soley on Fehr and the PA.
- Pen15

I have yet to make the claim that one poster completely removed all blame from the NHL for getting into this mess.

If I hadnt witnessed this twice before, with a different head of the PA, then I would be all for blaming Fehr.

@DarrenDreger: Hard to imagine the NHL's latest proposal doesn't result in potentially season-saving meetings. Players wanted flexibility and they got it.



Can't wait to see Fehr go around saying they can get more.

How are they not both to blame?
If this was Bettman and Fehrs first time at their respective jobs you would be right. The fact the NHL has done this before twice, and has sacrificed a full season, should be proof enough that they are just as much to blame as anyone.
- systemtool

Again - no one ever suggested they're not both to blame. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a poster on here that removes ALL blame from the NHL.

That said, if it's a question of who's to blame more for the situation we're in (as childish as that may seem), there should be more blame allocated to the PA than the NHL.

I have yet to see one poster completely remove all blame from the NHL for getting into this mess...

The separate question however, is who has dragged this out longer than it needs to be? And that, is soley on Fehr and the PA.
- Pen15

Laughs? Iggysbff? J bold? Before you speak abut the opinion of this site you better get your facts straight. These guys are on most blogs, if you spend even a little time on here then you have read their posts.

Are you really that blind? Every NHL proposal has been a take it or leave it. The pa can't build off it. Maybe if the league had an offer in Sept/Oct that even resembled the one they have now we would be half way through the season. Yet the offer way the very best they could do and would ony get worse.
- Bieksa#3

How am I really "that blind"? Show me something that proves me wrong? The PA hasn't done anything to try to save the season.

Again - no one ever suggested they're not both to blame. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a poster on here that removes ALL blame from the NHL.

That said, if it's a question of who's to blame more for the situation we're in (as childish as that may seem), there should be more blame allocated to the PA than the NHL.
- Pen15

Again, I never suggested that anyone removed ALL blame from the NHL.

That said, they arent getting enough of it. Its not about more or less. The blame is equal. Please get the point this time.

I dont think you come here often enough then. Its not scott-free but they arent being held accountable, like Fehr is. It is not an even balance as it should be.
- systemtool

if only....

How am I really "that blind"? Show me something that proves me wrong? The PA hasn't done anything to try to save the season.
- PatC80

Love it

How are they not both to blame equally?

If this was Bettman and Fehrs first time at their respective jobs you would be right. The fact the NHL has done this before twice, and has sacrificed a full season, should be proof enough that they are just as much to blame as anyone.
- systemtool

+1

if only....
- LetsGoIsles

Well, you're seeing my point now first hand

During the process the NHL has proven to be just as selfish and stupid as the nhlpa.
- Bieksa#3

Be careful, those words are foreign here on HB.

So on that note I will unofficially off the record agree with you

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
54m
In the interest of accuracy, @Eklund was first to report the NHL offer to NHLPA.
- TimB

Yeah thanks - already saw it

How are they not both to blame equally?

If this was Bettman and Fehrs first time at their respective jobs you would be right. The fact the NHL has done this before twice, and has sacrificed a full season, should be proof enough that they are just as much to blame as anyone.
- systemtool

Why? Because the owners own the league and can basically do whatever they want. The players are not their business partners which is how they act, they are simply employees. Most owners are losing money, all players make money. The players need to make a little less to make the the league as a whole viable.

I have yet to make the claim that one poster completely removed all blame from the NHL for getting into this mess.

If I hadnt witnessed this twice before, with a different head of the PA, then I would be all for blaming Fehr.
- systemtool

That's an irrational behaviour though. CBA negotiations are very distinct from one another...so assigning blame based on a previous experience is a major fallacy. I think you have to treat each negotiation separately and judge it based on the actions of both sides.

And if we do that with this negotiation, it is clear the owners have moved a lot more to resolution than the PA has.

Well, you're seeing my point now first hand
- systemtool

i dont even remember whats being argued honestly...

for me, at the end of the day, both sides are a bunch of wieners and id boo anyone and everyone that is associated with this negotiation....and we all know how effective booing is!!! #FansHaveNoVoice.

Yeah thanks - already saw it
- Flyers_1488

Ek is usually right once a year!

You really waited till the last second with this one ek?

Be careful, those words are foreign here on HB.

So on that note I will unofficially off the record agree with you
- uf1910

Dont be daft. Bettman and his NHL owners have proven they have never wanted a lock out or a season lost. Its never happened in their history until Fehr came along. Clearly he is more to blame.