One constant thread through the last few months, is that the NHL would want to at least salvage a 48 game season.

I don't know about you, but I would not equate a team that wins the Stanley Cup after a 48 game season, with one that was won in the (now) traditional 82 game season. To me it wouldn't mean as much, and I suspect the players would not regard it (a Stanley Cup Win) in the same light either.

An asterisk would be there, regardless if it was visible or not.

One constant thread through the last few months, is that the NHL would want to at least salvage a 48 game season.

I don't know about you, but I would not equate a team that wins the Stanley Cup after a 48 game season, with one that was won in the (now) traditional 82 game season. To me it wouldn't mean as much, and I suspect the players would not regard it (a Stanley Cup Win) in the same light either.

An asterisk would be there, regardless if it was visible or not.
- Doppleganger

Nobody seems to think the Devils lockout cup win was any less legitimate.

Nobody seems to think the Devils lockout cup win was any less legitimate.
- daeth

Have you spoken to Stevens, Niedermyer, Brodeur, Richer, Broten, Danyko........ to confirm this?

Have you spoken to Stevens, Niedermyer, Brodeur, Richer, Broten, Danyko........ to confirm this?


- burn

Pretty sure I'd get a punch in the face if I even asked the question

With that said if there's a shortened season and the Sens win the cup I'll totally say it's a meaningless win just to be a Richard.

It would not matter if they played 30 games. It means they were the best the league had to offer. I am sure if you asked anyone on the Devils team that won the 48 game season if it meant any less they would tell you no because a win is a win. It doesnt matter by an inch or by a mile.

With that said if there's a shortened season and the Sens win the cup I'll totally say it's a meaningless win just to be a Richard.
- daeth

Agreed.........


Imagine the uproar if the leafs won it.

Agreed.........


Imagine the uproar if the leafs won it.
- burn

I would love it. Bet there'd be weird conspiracy theories and everything.

With that said if there's a shortened season and the Sens win the cup I'll totally say it's a meaningless win just to be a Richard.
- daeth

No one is saying it would be meaningless............just not the same.

I would love it. Bet there'd be weird conspiracy theories and everything.
- daeth

I know..... the win doesn't count because of the short season, they are still in a drought!!

No one is saying it would be meaningless............just not the same.
- Doppleganger

Only you.

No one is saying it would be meaningless............just not the same.
- Doppleganger

I'm sure you'd change your tune if the sens win.

No one is saying it would be meaningless............just not the same.
- Doppleganger

It'd be interesting to see if any of the cup winning teams in the last decade or so were out of the playoffs at the 48 game mark that season. I can't imagine any were.

I don't really think it's any less impressive to win in a shortened season than it is to win during an 82 game season. You still have to win 16 games in the playoffs which is pretty damn hard to do.

It'd be interesting to see if any of the cup winning teams in the last decade or so were out of the playoffs at the 48 game mark that season. I can't imagine any were.

I don't really think it's any less impressive to win in a shortened season than it is to win during an 82 game season. You still have to win 16 games in the playoffs which is pretty damn hard to do.
- daeth

Exactly...

As for the 1st part, LA was really close... like 20% chance of making the playoffs at around 140th day of the season.

Pittsburgh in 09 was 30% to make it around 130-135 day of the season.

those are the closest I can see.

No one is saying it would be meaningless............just not the same.
- Doppleganger

you are wrong. Lots of shortened seasons in all sports or replacement players/refs used like the NFL this year and NBA last season and every one is celebrated like any other season.

Last time for NHL the hockey was intense and every game was important to make the playoffs.

Exactly...

As for the 1st part, LA was really close... like 20% chance of making the playoffs at around 140th day of the season.

Pittsburgh in 09 was 30% to make it around 130-135 day of the season.

those are the closest I can see.
- burn

Where are you finding that info? I need more stat resources!

Where are you finding that info? I need more stat resources!
- daeth

I thought I put the link in.... Ooops.

http://www.sportsclubstat...anceWillMakePlayoffs.html

I know I didn't do the Pitts one, but I thought I did LA. Oh well.

Doesn't show if they were in/out of playoffs at that time, but 30 & 20% is a pretty good indication of yes/no.

I thought I put the link in.... Ooops.

http://www.sportsclubstat...anceWillMakePlayoffs.html

I know I didn't do the Pitts one, but I thought I did LA. Oh well.

Doesn't show if they were in/out of playoffs at that time, but 30 & 20% is a pretty good indication of yes/no.
- burn

Didn't even know sportsclub had archives. That's cool, thanks.

So yeah, basically that proved me wrong. That supports the argument that a shortened season cheapens a cup win imo. I still think a cup win is a cup win regardless but knowing some of the recent cup winners likely would not have made the playoffs had they played in a shortened at least makes it a good argument for people who disagree with me.

Didn't even know sportsclub had archives. That's cool, thanks.

So yeah, basically that proved me wrong. That supports the argument that a shortened season cheapens a cup win imo. I still think a cup win is a cup win regardless but knowing some of the recent cup winners likely would not have made the playoffs had they played in a shortened at least makes it a good argument for people who disagree with me.
- daeth

Still not with me thought... they fought and clawed their way into the playoffs and won 4 rounds, 16 wins. that doesn't change it for me.


FYI LA at week 16 (58.5% of the year =48/82) were 60% to make it.

It's hard to say how things would change in a shortened season for teams like that. Pitts on 09. They went through a down time in the middle that cause them to fall out and they eventually changed their coach. If they were only playing 48 games maybe they don't hit that skid in the middle. Who knows.

I'm sure you'd change your tune if the sens win.
- burn

No, I wouldn't.

Winning the Cup after a 48 game season, is not equal to a team winning it after an 82 game season. It's not "a true measure" of a team, and all that goes into a full season and playoffs.

Is winning a full marathon the same as winning a half marathon?

you are wrong. Lots of shortened seasons in all sports or replacement players/refs used like the NFL this year and NBA last season and every one is celebrated like any other season.

Last time for NHL the hockey was intense and every game was important to make the playoffs.
- Feeling_Glucky

It's my opinion, explain how I'm wrong?

You can disagree with me, as you automatically do with any I post, but you're opinion can't be wrong, and neither can mine.

example: I support Bill C-377............so you HAVE to take the opposite position by default.

Didn't even know sportsclub had archives. That's cool, thanks.

So yeah, basically that proved me wrong. That supports the argument that a shortened season cheapens a cup win imo. I still think a cup win is a cup win regardless but knowing some of the recent cup winners likely would not have made the playoffs had they played in a shortened at least makes it a good argument for people who disagree with me.
- daeth

try this sight, you might find it useful.

http://dropyourgloves.com...?Date=2011-12-17&League=1

No, I wouldn't.

Winning the Cup after a 48 game season, is not equal to a team winning it after an 82 game season. It's not "a true measure" of a team, and all that goes into a full season and playoffs.

Is winning a full marathon the same as winning a half marathon?
- Doppleganger

No, I wouldn't.

Winning the Cup after a 48 game season, is not equal to a team winning it after an 82 game season. It's not "a true measure" of a team, and all that goes into a full season and playoffs.

Is winning a full marathon the same as winning a half marathon?
- Doppleganger

what about 81, 72 or 63 if they start late next season?