Maybe going out on a little limb here, but to blithely say Brandon Saad will replace Marian Hossa is, well . . . you can finish the sentence.

One will be in the Hall of Fame. The other has 14 points in 26 games at Rockford. The kool-aid is flowing . . .
- John Jaeckel

JJ...what do you think the odds are that the Hawks actually buy out Hossa in the summer of 2014? I understand how this may need to be done from a financial perspective, but it will be so difficult to part with Hossa given his play and his character.

I still don't understand why the owners would want this clause for existing contracts. New contracts I can understand, but not existing ones.

http://thecommittedindian.com/the-hossa-ultimatum/

this hold any water?

seems like it could cause some problems down the line.
seems like it is a very stupid and very convoluted rule if in fact accurate.
- fattybeef

Hossa's contract - like Suters, like Parise's, like Kovalchuk's - were legal (if devious and not in the spirit of the CBA, they were legal) at the time they were signed.

How can they now penalize those contracts retroactively?

Certainly seems unfair (OK - as unfair as the original contracts were, but still...).

Hossa's contract - like Suters, like Parise's, like Kovalchuk's - were legal (if devious and not in the spirit of the CBA, they were legal) at the time they were signed.

How can they now penalize those contracts retroactively?

Certainly seems unfair (OK - as unfair as the original contracts were, but still...).
- StLBravesFan

Yes...this! Thank you!

JJ...what do you think the odds are that the Hawks actually buy out Hossa in the summer of 2014? I understand how this may need to be done from a financial perspective, but it will be so difficult to part with Hossa given his play and his character.

I still don't understand why the owners would want this clause for existing contracts. New contracts I can understand, but not existing ones.


- DarthKane

I don't know enough about all the variables. I do know this. Hossa was considering retirement this summer, so I would say THAT is as likely as his being bought out or playing out his contract in Chicago. He's arguably my favorite Hawk and I'd hate to see him go, but in 2014, he'll be 35. It would not be the end of the world.

At the same time, those who think Saad will just ride on on a white steed and replace Hossa need to put the pipe down. If there's a guy who might come close to filling that role it's Teravainen, but it remains to be seen if he plays C or W.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't?

I guess we'll know once the CBA is ratified. I've seen stuff about the cap benefit recapture formula, the cap hit for one way contracts in the AHL that come up to over $900,000, ect. The 300 Level had a post about Hossa and the cap benefit recapture formula posted a couple of days ago.

http://300level.net/?p=3882

One thing I wonder about is if there will be a penalty and/or cap hit for players that are loaned to European clubs. If there isn't some sort of provision for this, I would think that could become (or stay) a way to get around this.

If you think about it, when Hossa retires, he's heading back to Slovakia. Whatever time he has left on his deal could be played out for a club in that country, and it works out where the Hawks don't get saddled with a cap hit.

That is long as Hossa is still willing to play, and hiding him over in Europe like Huet would work at circumventing the cap.
- EKolb13

Maybe there's a provision, or at least a strong argument could possibly be made for a provision that allows circumvention when the player is retiring due to injuries... Could be of the nagging concussion variety...

Maybe going out on a little limb here, but to blithely say Brandon Saad will replace Marian Hossa is, well . . . you can finish the sentence.

One will be in the Hall of Fame. The other has 14 points in 26 games at Rockford. The kool-aid is flowing . . .
- John Jaeckel

Yeah well that is a silly statement I don't disagree. I mean the accounting stuff.

Maybe there's a provision, or at least a strong argument could possibly be made for a provision that allows circumvention when the player is retiring due to injuries... Could be of the nagging concussion variety...
- busmaster

if I had to lay money today, this is how I think it will play out.

Yeah well that is a silly statement I don't disagree. I mean the accounting stuff.
- fattybeef

Here's the problem with those kinds of statements: they show a lack of appreciation for how good Hossa is, even getting on in years, AND a likely overvaluation of how good Saad is or will be.

Maybe going out on a little limb here, but to blithely say Brandon Saad will replace Marian Hossa is, well . . . you can finish the sentence.

One will be in the Hall of Fame. The other has 14 points in 26 games at Rockford. The kool-aid is flowing . . .
- John Jaeckel

Says the guy who wants/thinks/projects Danault to see some time with big club this season!

I don't know enough about all the variables. I do know this. Hossa was considering retirement this summer, so I would say THAT is as likely as his being bought out or playing out his contract in Chicago. He's arguably my favorite Hawk and I'd hate to see him go, but in 2014, he'll be 35. It would not be the end of the world.

At the same time, those who think Saad will just ride on on a white steed and replace Hossa need to put the pipe down. If there's a guy who might come close to filling that role it's Teravainen, but it remains to be seen if he plays C or W.
- John Jaeckel

Internally there are no viable options to replace Hossa. Eventually the likes of Saad and/or Teravainen could be contributors to the Blackhawks, but unlikely on the level of Hossa.

if I had to lay money today, this is how I think it will play out.
- John Jaeckel

I would think there would have to be for situations such as the Steve Moore incident.

Here's the problem with those kinds of statements: they show a lack of appreciation for how good Hossa is, even getting on in years, AND a likely overvaluation of how good Saad is or will be.
- John Jaeckel

+1
talk of replacing Hossa is misguided. When he is no longer a Hawk you just deal with the loss the best you can. I mean, really, we haven't even replaced Buff, Ladd or Steeg yet...

Says the guy who wants/thinks/projects Danault to see some time with big club this season!
- nathanjf

That's your opinion. I think the possibility of Danault playing and contributing to the Hawks this year is actually greater than Saad "replacing" Marian Hossa. I'll stick by it.

BTW, I am not alone in thinking that's a possibility.

That's your opinion. I think the possibility of Danault playing and contributing to the Hawks this year is actually greater than Saad "replacing" Marian Hossa. I'll stick by it.
- John Jaeckel

That's a pretty safe bet regardless of whether Danault plays this season or not... which he shouldn't

You need less money invested in your top 6 not more.
- Gerk

Maybe, maybe not, but we need a true 2C....and every time I try to trade Sharp I get flamed.

We'll take Leddy, he'd be a solid fit for us. Good luck this season, I'm so happy to have hockey back.

http://www.foxsportswest....lockID=846839&feedID=3707

Goalie with a bad back... Will be interesting to see how durable he is in the future...

That's a pretty safe bet regardless of whether Danault plays this season or not... which he shouldn't
- nathanjf

True on the safety of the bet. Why do you categorically rule out Danault contributing as a third line/PK guy at some point this year?

And let me add, although they are stylistically somewhat different, why should Shaw, a player chosen four rounds after Danault in the same year, do it last year—but Danault can't this year?

For those worried about Leddy not getting a re-call, it looks like he's going to the Hawks.

http://www.rrstar.com/spo...r-makeover-as-NHL-returns

We'll take Leddy, he'd be a solid fit for us. Good luck this season, I'm so happy to have hockey back.
- flyerscup2011

You'll take Leddy for who? Realistically? Name(s)?

http://www.foxsportswest.com/01/08/13/Kings-Quick-ready-for-action--/landing.html?blockID=846839&feedID=3707

Goalie with a bad back... Will be interesting to see how durable he is in the future...
- fattybeef

Didn't Belfour have a bad back and a diskectomy at one point and go on to have some good years?

We'll take Leddy, he'd be a solid fit for us. Good luck this season, I'm so happy to have hockey back.
- flyerscup2011

You can have Leddy and a pick if Couturier is coming the other way.

from the way I read it it is very complicated. Say Hoss plays out all but 2 years of his contract,even if the Hawks trade him, they get the penalty upon retirement since they signed him to the deal. Here is hoping Duncs plays out his contract too, or they may have the same problem with him. My question is, Who bites Jeff Carter's? Did philly sign him to that deal or Columbus. i think it was the Flyers. That would be Bryzgalov, Carter, and Richards to long term big deals I believe. Someone will have to do some research. Thinking if Hoss tears it up this year, he stays and becomes an amnesty buyout in 2014. If he is injured or not playing up to par (i.e. slowing down), Hawks buy him out this summer. Could wait to see if Teuvo T is ready by 2014 to come into the roster to replace him. It will be an interesting first couple of years. Pretty sure Olesz's contract expires in 2014.
- ikeane

There are 42 players this effects (per capgeek). Carter's contract will be on CLB and LA since he never played for Philly under that contract.... Or so I'd assume.

Edit: just read this...

CapGeek (@capgeek) tweeted at 10:37 AM on Wed, Jan 09, 2013:
It appears the "cap advantage recapture" penalties will not apply to teams who traded long-term contracts prior to the new CBA.

Internally there are no viable options to replace Hossa. Eventually the likes of Saad and/or Teravainen could be contributors to the Blackhawks, but unlikely on the level of Hossa.
- DarthKane

Teravainen . . . maybe

It appears he's going to be a special player offensively. Will he develop defensively?

Maybe, maybe not, but we need a true 2C....and every time I try to trade Sharp I get flamed.
- Ogilthorpe2

Whoaaaa buddy. Ive tried to trade Sharpie for 2 years.