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- ggunky

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It's a floor circumvention by the Isles. They're not paying Thomas, he's suspended. If he doesn't play for the Islanders, the Bruins get no pick or other asset. The commissioner has the ability to step in an nix the deal.

I doubt he will, for the reasons you state. This helps two teams and one very powerful owner.
- Jsaquella

Sure the Commissioner does, but why would he? The Salary Cap is about one thing. Holding down player costs. You have to meet the Cap floor in terms of Cap spending, not actual salary. Circumvention is paying out more to the players then the Cap allows.

is Wayne Simmonds in here?

I would love to see the NHL tell them the deal is voided as an obvious cap circumvention and take picks from both
- Jsaquella

yup, this is pretty blatant

look at the picture with the article
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Chiarelli is probably sporting that look right about now

I always thought Thomas was a douche so I am filing this under "what comes around goes around".

Sure the Commissioner does, but why would he? The Salary Cap is about one thing. Holding down player costs. You have to meet the Cap floor in terms of Cap spending, not actual salary. Circumvention is paying out more to the players then the Cap allows.
- MJL

I don't see any way it's not obviously circumventing the salary cap floor and the penalties for not meeting it, even if the league has no motivation to take action.

Sure the Commissioner does, but why would he? The Salary Cap is about one thing. Holding down player costs. You have to meet the Cap floor in terms of Cap spending, not actual salary. Circumvention is paying out more to the players then the Cap allows.
- MJL

I understand why he wouldn't...In fact, Somebody tweeted that Daly says they're not going to.

It's a cap circumvention deal, no two ways about it. The Bruins gain $5mm in cap room and the Isles are above the cap floor and not spending a dime on Thomas' salary.
- Jsaquella

So even though you aren't paying the salary it counts against the floor? hmm.

Timonen extension is official

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=654551

So even though you aren't paying the salary it counts against the floor? hmm.
- jstross

Yes, it's an over 35 deal. Thomas counts against a team's cap whether he plays or not, is alive or dead.

Since Thomas is sitting out, and suspended by the Bruins-and likely will be by the Isles-there's no requirement to cut him a check

Timonen extension is official

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=654551
- Jsaquella

Price is not what one would like, but it is the fiscal reality of these NHL times. He'd probably get a bit more on a one year deal if he hit the market and teams were bidding on his services. I am happy he will be with the team for another year. He has been a good soldier.

I don't see any way it's not obviously circumventing the salary cap floor and the penalties for not meeting it, even if the league has no motivation to take action.
- BulliesPhan87

I don't see it as Circumvention in any way. You don't have to meet the Cap floor in actual spending, only in Cap spending. And there isn't any rule that I'm aware of that prevents trading a players contract who's in the situation that Thomas was in.

Regardless, the Cap floor is 44M. The Isles took on a little more then 4M in Cap space in acquiring Thomas. Which puts them at a little over 53M in Cap payroll. So they were already well above the Cap floor.

Chiarelli is probably sporting that look right about now

I always thought Thomas was a douche so I am filing this under "what comes around goes around".
- Lexington Flyer

Not sure that makes any sense. What did he do?

I don't see it as Circumvention in any way. You don't have to meet the Cap floor in actual spending, only in Cap spending. And there isn't any rule that I'm aware of that prevents trading a players contract who's in the situation that Thomas was in.

Regardless, the Cap floor is 44M. The Isles took on a little more then 4M in Cap space in acquiring Thomas. Which puts them at a little over 53M in Cap payroll. So they were already well above the Cap floor.
- MJL

Under the new CBA, teams must reach the cap floor in cap hit, without using bonuses. Thomas gives them $5mm in dead space they can apply to the floor for free.

Price is not what one would like, but it is the fiscal reality of these NHL times. He'd probably get a bit more on a one year deal if he hit the market and teams were bidding on his services. I am happy he will be with the team for another year. He has been a good soldier.
- Lexington Flyer

The Flyers, assuming they're willing to utilize the Pronger LTIR exemption next season, will have approximately $6mm to spend after this, and resigning a few key RFAs....that mitigates the cost a bit, even if you don;t like using the LTIR

The Flyers, assuming they're willing to utilize the Pronger LTIR exemption next season, will have approximately $6mm to spend after this, and resigning a few key RFAs.
- Jsaquella

Perfect.. schenn and coots + a pick for weber in off season!

Under the new CBA, teams must reach the cap floor in cap hit, without using bonuses. Thomas gives them $5mm in dead space they can apply to the floor for free.
- Jsaquella

I'm aware of that. My point is that the Isles did not have to make this deal to reach the Cap floor.

Yes, it's an over 35 deal. Thomas counts against a team's cap whether he plays or not, is alive or dead.

Since Thomas is sitting out, and suspended by the Bruins-and likely will be by the Isles-there's no requirement to cut him a check
- Jsaquella

if he's out he should be treated like an injured player and should not be able to be traded.

I'm aware of that. My point is that the Isles did not have to make this deal to reach the Cap floor.
- MJL

No, they didn't. But it does allow them to have a fire sale later, which Snow pretty much hinted is coming.

It's not so egregious that I'm aghast and full of rage about it, just find it annoying that teams are finding loopholes less than a month after the new CBA has been in effect.

if he's out he should be treated like an injured player and should not be able to be traded.
- jstross

There's no rule against trading an injured player. So long as the injury details are provided and accepted by both teams, the trade can be completed.

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#Flyers Hartnell, out with broken foot, is improving and could resume skating next week.

No, they didn't. But it does allow them to have a fire sale later, which Snow pretty much hinted is coming.

It's not so egregious that I'm aghast and full of rage about it, just find it annoying that teams are finding loopholes less than a month after the new CBA has been in effect.
- Jsaquella

That's a good point about possible trades later. Finding loopholes is inevitable. My opinion is that the Players benefited for years from the loopholes. So in this rare occasion, the teams and the League is benefiting at the players expense. Might see something from the NHLPA if the Isles toll the contract and try to use it next year.

There's no rule against trading an injured player. So long as the injury details are provided and accepted by both teams, the trade can be completed.
- Jsaquella

Ok, I thought there was.

That's a good point about possible trades later. Finding loopholes is inevitable. My opinion is that the Players benefited for years from the loopholes. So in this rare occasion, the teams and the League is benefiting at the players expense. Might see something from the NHLPA if the Isles toll the contract and try to use it next year.
- MJL

That's another concern, I'd rather not have stupid stuff turn into pissing contests between the PA and owners.

Ok, I thought there was.
- jstross

Just buyouts

If teams aren't upfront there's ways to remedy it through the league, but for the most part teams don't mess around with that.