Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/7/13 vs. Panthers

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- ggunky

And we have the black game day jersey!!!!

the Panthers are playing good hockey right now with Versteeg and Shore buzzing around. I hope the Flyers play that defensive style again

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/7/13 vs. Panthers
- Bill_Meltzer

Stay with the black jersey for luck! Good news on the Wayne train. Hopefully he's back for Saturday's game.. Keep rolling boys and get Bryz some support!

still dont get Homer trading Versteeg? he is playing so well

Just found out the good news of Kimmo Timonen resigning. I don't have all the details but if Timonen really reupped with the club core six million, that stings a little. I think both flyers management and the player knows that the team needs flexibility to seriously compete for a cup. Especially next season with the cap coming down. Again, unsure of the details but I am happy to have Timonen back but not happy with the price.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.

In years past, I'd have viewed this as a trap game, but I'm hopeful that the Flyers' tendencies (giving up a goal a minute after scoring, giving up a goal to someone in al long goalless drought, allowing a goal to a rookie, allowing a goal to a former Flyer, etc.) are slowly being replaced by newer and better ones.

In years past, I'd have viewed this as a trap game, but I'm hopeful that the Flyers' tendencies (giving up a goal a minute after scoring, giving up a goal to someone in al long goalless drought, allowing a goal to a rookie, allowing a goal to a former Flyer, etc.) are slowly being replaced by newer and better ones.
- Flyskippy

I don't think they'll have that issue. Maybe if they had been playing better, or had a game against NY or Pittsburgh next, I could see it. But this is a team that knows it needs to get back to .500 and needs the win.

Now that the rust is coming off, we're seeing the vets find their groove. Briere and Timonen both have played well the last few games and the younger vets are starting to round into form. Like to see Voracek build off his last game the way Grossmann turned a couple of solid outings into 7 or 8 strong games.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

If he plays more like last game than the previous 9, no one will be complaining. Well, not about Timonen, anyway.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

And, Bill said that there was no hometown discount. If Timmo hit the FA market, somebody was goning to toss him more money, even if it was just for the chance to weaken the Flyer defense. This had to be done, unless there was another Weber out there in the FA pool that we needed Timmo money... I don't see many that we can't afford and still keep Timmo.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

No, still am not happy about the price anyway you slice it. Timonen has money, he doesn't have a cup. You hear about players willing to take a pay cut prior to the salary cap to get more help on the I've all the time. This situatom should be no different.

No, still am not happy about the price anyway you slice it. Timonen has money, he doesn't have a cup. You hear about players willing to take a pay cut prior to the salary cap to get more help on the I've all the time. This situatom should be no different.
- SuperSchennBros

He needs the money so the hockey team he owns can sign Kimmo Timonen when he retires from the NHL

No, still am not happy about the price anyway you slice it. Timonen has money, he doesn't have a cup. You hear about players willing to take a pay cut prior to the salary cap to get more help on the I've all the time. This situatom should be no different.
- SuperSchennBros

Players are probably slightly more inclined to take all that they can get after this lockout...

I hate this move the more I think about it. Too much money. Maybe they can move Jake to move up in the draft and open up some Cap room or something but this pretty much automatically takes us out of the running for any impact UFAs. Not to mention how early this move comes. I really wanted the team to assess Kimmo's health before committing to another year. Still a lot of hockey to be played between now and then.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

Perhaps there are two possibilities. The first is this. And if that is true, it may be a bad omen. It means no young defenseman are coming anytime soon, except at great cost.

But of course this is Homer we're talking about. Signing Kimmo doesn't mean keeping him. Could this be a precursor to a trade at the TDL? Might get quite a bit more for a year and a half of Timmonen vs a rental year.

Edit: and f we are a year or two from competing it does right by Kimmo

Perhaps there are two possibilities. The first is this. And if that is true, it may be a bad omen. It means no young defenseman are coming anytime soon, except at great cost.

But of course this is Homer we're talking about. Signing Kimmo doesn't mean keeping him. Could this be a precursor to a trade at the TDL? Might get quite a bit more for a year and a half of Timmonen vs a rental year.

Edit: and f we are a year or two from competing it does right by Kimmo
- TheGreat28

Timonen is going nowhere. The free agent market is horrible, and if there's going to be a trade, it would be something from up front.

The only issue I have with the Timonen extension is will it handcuff the team when they try to better their roster this offseason? Also, does this make a Briere buyout more likely? Either way, if Kimmo can play 65+ games at a relatively serviceable level next year, I'll be happy.

No such thing as a bad one year deal anyway.

And, Bill said that there was no hometown discount. If Timmo hit the FA market, somebody was goning to toss him more money, even if it was just for the chance to weaken the Flyer defense. This had to be done, unless there was another Weber out there in the FA pool that we needed Timmo money... I don't see many that we can't afford and still keep Timmo.
- leon neon

The names in free agency don't do a thing for me. Hainsey, Vishnovsky, Hamrlik, Gonchar, Streit, Whitney...which one is better all around than Timonen?

The only one that interests me is Streit. The other factor is, I think most of those guys would want a couple years or more. Then you're getting into the area where they have to re-sign Giroux, Couturier, Read and Schenn.

Timonen is going nowhere. The free agent market is horrible, and if there's going to be a trade, it would be something from up front.
- Jsaquella

I agree.. its a reality we have to face right now. We have no better options. I think 6 mil is steep.. that is about the only thing I dont agree with.

The UFA market this year is pretty poopty, but there are a bunch of teams with interesting options on the RFA market... if thats even in the realm of possibility

For everyone complaining about Timonen's cap hit on his extension: Try to imagine what the Flyers defense looks like without him.

Additionally, think back to how hard it is to find a defenseman of his caliber.

Just be happy he re-signed, he'll be back, and the term is such that if things go bad, health-wise, with Kimmo, the team isn't hamstrung with the cap.

I agree.. its a reality we have to face right now. We have no better options. I think 6 mil is steep.. that is about the only thing I dont agree with.

The UFA market this year is pretty poopty, but there are a bunch of teams with interesting options on the RFA market... if thats even in the realm of possibility
- jak521

I think the only guy they were willing to go offer sheet on was Weber.

That said, they still have the buyout option and trade possibilities to clear cap space.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

i don't think anybody likes the cap hit, but i'm happy to have him back another year. we'll see how much it impacts making other moves. still some upside with gustafsson, seeminly gervais, and potentially some other guys like bourdon if he can get healthy. they may not need to make a move. and if bryz can do what he's doing now on a consistent basis, that erases a lot mistakes, and could be enough to have them be a legit threat as is.

I think the only guy they were willing to go offer sheet on was Weber.

That said, they still have the buyout option and trade possibilities to clear cap space.
- Jsaquella

Yea, I think OS is out of the picture... but looking at a team like Stl... they have 4 d-men, 3 of which are in their top 4, up for RFA.. They also have a handful of other top players on offense up for RFA... they are gonna need to make some kind of move... I would love to see something go down with them.


I honestly dont see them buying anyone out...

i don't think anybody likes the cap hit, but i'm happy to have him back another year. we'll see how much it impacts making other moves. still some upside with gustafsson, seeminly gervais, and potentially some other guys like bourdon if he can get healthy. they may not need to make a move. and if bryz can do what he's doing now on a consistent basis, that erases a lot mistakes, and could be enough to have them be a legit threat as is.
- hammarby31

Thats a good point.. depending on how Gus and MaB rebound... that could be as good as a UFA pickup.

I really hope Gus can step in and be a good puck moving 5/6 d-man. That would do wonders.