The knees are a concern, but that's not really a wear down issue.
- Jsaquella

Oh, definitely not.. and I didn't mean to speak for the guy you had quoted.. Just thought I'd throw it in there. I'd love to see him stay 100% healthy for a long time.. the guy's one heck of a workhorse!

We can count on the 26 year old Grossmann to wear down?

It amazes me to see the logic behind some of the comments. Does anyone think that Holmgren isn't trying to add defensemen? Do people really think that he's sitting back and not asking about guys like Pietrangelo or Bogosian?

Or are we expecting teams to not match an offer sheet? How'd that work out in the cases of Weber and Ryan Kesler?
- Jsaquella

grossman has bad knees and a concussion history. i don't think questions about his durability are amazing...

Oh, definitely not.. and I didn't mean to speak for the guy you had quoted.. Just thought I'd throw it in there. I'd love to see him stay 100% healthy for a long time.. the guy's one heck of a workhorse!
- WarriorHockey21

I do worry about the health of Timonen, Grossmann and Meszaros. But Pronger shows that a guy who doesn't often get hurt can have a freak injury and be finished.

Hell look at Mesazros. His first six years, he played 81 or 82 games 5 times. The injuries he's had in the last couple years concern me, but even then, the shoulder and ankle ones could happen to anyone. They're not wear and tear type injuries.

I see B. Schenn getting move for a dman if they choose that route. I wouldn't be against Gonchar or Visnovsky for a year at a low price, Streit I like too. Regehr is a defensive minded dman so that's a no to him. Whitney has been awful in Edmonton as well. My hope is that the price for Yandle comes down and we can move B. Schenn+ for him. Phoneix has a surplus of young defensemen (Yandle, OEL, Gormley, Rundblad) and a deficiency up front so I think a deal like that would benefit both teams.
- NickTheKid87

I would definitely do that deal.. I love Schenn, and I think he has a lot of potential in him. But if it would mean a guy like Yandle dressing in orange and black, or even Oliver EL... Rundblad, I would be a little more cautious, but he definitely has a lot of potential as well.

Problem with Schenn is, he's dispensable. There's other young guys on the team who can take over his duties and contributions... and quite honestly, he's been a bit disappointing on the score sheet. I still like him, but if it meant him to Phoenix for one of their Dmen, I'd do it.. assuming you wouldn't be giving up too much additionally, like Couturier+ added onto it, or something ridiculous..

grossman has bad knees and a concussion history. i don't think questions about his durability are amazing...
- isaiah520

I think saying he will wear down is incorrect. Injuries are not wearing down. Anyone can get hurt.

I'm questioning the logic that seems to feel that the Flyers will stand pat in case of injury or need.

still dont get Homer trading Versteeg? he is playing so well
- vejim

I was fired up when we picked up Versteeg and thought he was about to turn the corner before the trade. I think starting the next season fresh with the Flyers would have done him good. It obviously worked for Florida.

I do worry about the health of Timonen, Grossmann and Meszaros. But Pronger shows that a guy who doesn't often get hurt can have a freak injury and be finished.

Hell look at Mesazros. His first six years, he played 81 or 82 games 5 times. The injuries he's had in the last couple years concern me, but even then, the shoulder and ankle ones could happen to anyone. They're not wear and tear type injuries.
- Jsaquella

No, they're Flyers-type injuries..

They'd be up poop creek with out a paddle....or a canoe
- Jsaquella

I would definitely do that deal.. I love Schenn, and I think he has a lot of potential in him. But if it would mean a guy like Yandle dressing in orange and black, or even Oliver EL... Rundblad, I would be a little more cautious, but he definitely has a lot of potential as well.

Problem with Schenn is, he's dispensable. There's other young guys on the team who can take over his duties and contributions... and quite honestly, he's been a bit disappointing on the score sheet. I still like him, but if it meant him to Phoenix for one of their Dmen, I'd do it.. assuming you wouldn't be giving up too much additionally, like Couturier+ added onto it, or something ridiculous..
- WarriorHockey21

Someone mentioned Rundblad as a potential low risk, high reward guy and that's an intriguing possibility. I wouldn't give up Schenn or a 1st for him but I would at least kick the tires and see what they want.

Someone mentioned Rundblad as a potential low risk, high reward guy and that's an intriguing possibility. I wouldn't give up Schenn or a 1st for him but I would at least kick the tires and see what they want.
- NickTheKid87

That, I would do.

I think saying he will wear down is incorrect. Injuries are not wearing down. Anyone can get hurt.

I'm questioning the logic that seems to feel that the Flyers will stand pat in case of injury or need.
- Jsaquella

joints wear down, kness are a joint and grosmann has issues related to wear and tear with both of his knees. i'm not one of the 12 yr olds that come here...you need a new dictator to consult with.

That, I would do.
- WarriorHockey21

I just don't know what they'd even ask. Rundblad has potential to be a top 2 or 3 defenseman, but he also has the potential to be a flop.

joints wear down, kness are a joint and grosmann has issues related to wear and tear with both of his knees. i'm not one of the 12 yr olds that come here...you need a new dictator to consult with.
- isaiah520

I don't need to consult with anyone. As I've said, I have concerns with several of the players mentioned. Grossmann is one of those.

Sorry I'm not pessimistic enough for you.

I just don't know what they'd even ask. Rundblad has potential to be a top 2 or 3 defenseman, but he also has the potential to be a flop.
- NickTheKid87

Hard to say... Like you said though, I'd entertain it and see what they would be interested in. If you can get him for a steal, and he works out, it will be far worth it.. If you get him for a steal and he doesn't, no big deal. But if they want something more for him (which I don't think they can command in a practical sense at this point yet, since he's pretty unproven), pass it up and wait for the right move. Maybe Phoenix will realize they have a buttload of young Dmen, and need something else through the draft, or young forwards not named Schenn or Couturier, and will do the deal.. who knows..

joints wear down, kness are a joint and grosmann has issues related to wear and tear with both of his knees. i'm not one of the 12 yr olds that come here...you need a new dictator to consult with.
- isaiah520

a player wearing down and joints wearing down are considerably different. Players wear down at the end of the season routinely... it will be especially evident this post season, with the rigourous schedule and all..

Knees, on the other hand, dont wear down at the end of the season, and then magically get better over the offseason.

Grossmanns issue is a managable, chronic issue. Basically, the issues he is having now, will likely be the same in June.

Of all the defensemen, barring Pronger getting cleared to play and then bought out, I think Meszaros is the one who goes after this season. Unfortunately, with his recent health issues, I don't think he would fetch much on the market.

I just don't know what they'd even ask. Rundblad has potential to be a top 2 or 3 defenseman, but he also has the potential to be a flop.
- NickTheKid87

I was pretty staunch in my point the other day. While he has potential, I dont think he is likely to reach its maximum. He is a defensive liability, and offensively, he hasnt even been all that dominant at an AHL level.

It was said that he would be an improvment on Timonen... NOW. That is absurd.. commical really.

He isnt a Justin Schultz caliber player. I really see him topping out as a second pairing PP QB.. I would love to add that type of player, but I dont see him as a must have player.

Of all the defensemen, barring Pronger getting cleared to play and then bought out, I think Meszaros is the one who goes after this season. Unfortunately, with his recent health issues, I don't think he would fetch much on the market.
- jmatchett

If Meszaros comes back and plays the rest of the year the way he was playing when he got hurt, he's going nowhere.

Of all the defensemen, barring Pronger getting cleared to play and then bought out, I think Meszaros is the one who goes after this season. Unfortunately, with his recent health issues, I don't think he would fetch much on the market.
- jmatchett

The thing about Meszy's injuries is that they were more of freak accident type of result than of a concering nature. Its not like he has been laboring for years and then decided to attempt to get it fixed. He had injuries got them fixed and was back and flying to start the year. When he gets back, I expect to see the same.

If Meszaros comes back and plays the rest of the year the way he was playing when he got hurt, he's going nowhere.
- Jsaquella

Beat me to it fella

I was pretty staunch in my point the other day. While he has potential, I dont think he is likely to reach its maximum. He is a defensive liability, and offensively, he hasnt even been all that dominant at an AHL level.

It was said that he would be an improvment on Timonen... NOW. That is absurd.. commical really.

He isnt a Justin Schultz caliber player. I really see him topping out as a second pairing PP QB.. I would love to add that type of player, but I dont see him as a must have player.
- jak521

I wouldn't give up big time assets for him but if it turned out to be a 3rd rounder or something then yeah, let's do it. That seems unlikely however.

I don't need to consult with anyone. As I've said, I have concerns with several of the players mentioned. Grossmann is one of those.

Sorry I'm not pessimistic enough for you.
- Jsaquella

just voiced concern about grossmann's durabiity and you had a semantic thrombo.
these are "interesting times" for the flyers d and they present a challenge to homer over the next couple of yrs.

If Meszaros comes back and plays the rest of the year the way he was playing when he got hurt, he's going nowhere.
- Jsaquella

He played all of four games. Just my opinion but I have to see much more. He hasn't been consistently healthy in a year. I hope for all the best for Meszaros but I have to see much more.

I think saying he will wear down is incorrect. Injuries are not wearing down. Anyone can get hurt.

I'm questioning the logic that seems to feel that the Flyers will stand pat in case of injury or need.
- Jsaquella

I don't know man, if he spends any time reading these threads, he'll be worn down to a nub by lunchtime.