He played all of four games. Just my opinion but I have to see much more. He hasn't been consistently healthy in a year. I hope for all the best for Meszaros but I have to see much more.
- SuperSchennBros

The year before last he was voted as the Flyers best d-man. Yes, last year was a tough one for him, but this isnt a chronic issue. Back injury, fixed, played well until the achilles injury, fixed, looks fantastic, tears his deltoid.

If he had played a full 82 game season his stats expanded would have looked like this:
9 goals 24 assists 33 points.. coming off of back surgery.

Also 5 of his 7 full seasons he has been an absoloute iron man.. missing two games.

- hammarby31

OUCH!!! Thor feels his pain

OUCH!!! Thor feels his pain
- jak521

i think THOR's was far worse - a blast from near the point and just a regular jock i assume. Goalies all wear double (and sometimes triple) cups these days. i just got hit there 2 weeks ago. it's the worst.

a player wearing down and joints wearing down are considerably different. Players wear down at the end of the season routinely... it will be especially evident this post season, with the rigourous schedule and all..

Knees, on the other hand, dont wear down at the end of the season, and then magically get better over the offseason.

Grossmanns issue is a managable, chronic issue. Basically, the issues he is having now, will likely be the same in June.
- jak521

plyrs with chronic knee issues are subject to wear and tear issues and they do improve with rest. when the prob passes a certain threshold, surgery may be required...unless youre andrew bynum, who should not be offered a contract by anybody. he's 24 with a congenital problem.

it's an overall durability issue w/ kimmo and grossmann in either case.

The year before last he was voted as the Flyers best d-man. Yes, last year was a tough one for him, but this isnt a chronic issue. Back injury, fixed, played well until the achilles injury, fixed, looks fantastic, tears his deltoid.

If he had played a full 82 game season his stats expanded would have looked like this:
9 goals 24 assists 33 points.. coming off of back surgery.

Also 5 of his 7 full seasons he has been an absoloute iron man.. missing two games.
- jak521

Unless you have concussion issues, almost every injury you can come back from these days. Mesz looked fine in the small amount he's played this year so I'm not too worried.

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

Seems like you read my posts yesterday and saw the light.

Well done.

Cheers!

I think saying he will wear down is incorrect. Injuries are not wearing down. Anyone can get hurt.

I'm questioning the logic that seems to feel that the Flyers will stand pat in case of injury or need.
- Jsaquella

I think it's something like this going on:
If Homer = fail, then more Homer = more fail.

Who knew how handy those "If/Then" statements would get after high school?

plyrs with chronic knee issues are subject to wear and tear issues and they do improve with rest. when the prob passes a certain threshold, surgery may be required...unless youre andrew bynum, who should not be offered a contract by anybody. he's 24 with a congenital problem.

it's an overall durability issue w/ kimmo and grossmann in either case.
- isaiah520

You may want to take notes, jak. Who knows, you might make a career of this someday.

plyrs with chronic knee issues are subject to wear and tear issues and they do improve with rest. when the prob passes a certain threshold, surgery may be required...unless youre andrew bynum, who should not be offered a contract by anybody. he's 24 with a congenital problem.

it's an overall durability issue w/ kimmo and grossmann in either case.
- isaiah520

Chronic knee issues and a knee injury are two different things though. Andrew Bynum and Chase Utley have chronic knee issues while Adrian Peterson sustained a knee injury.

You may want to take notes, jak. Who knows, you might make a career of this someday.
- BulliesPhan87

See, now that's funny stuff right there.

You may want to take notes, jak. Who knows, you might make a career of this someday.
- BulliesPhan87

plyrs with chronic knee issues are subject to wear and tear issues and they do improve with rest. when the prob passes a certain threshold, surgery may be required...unless youre andrew bynum, who should not be offered a contract by anybody. he's 24 with a congenital problem.

it's an overall durability issue w/ kimmo and grossmann in either case.
- isaiah520

Trust me, I know all of this very well. I understand that with rest they can feel better.. but the minute you get back at it, you are back to where you were before. Now I dont know Grossmanns exact issues.. but from reading about certain treatments and what not (and the fact that he didnt undergo surgery) his knees are a chronic issue. Surgery wouldnt correct his problem, but may make it more managable. He also could have just gotten lubricating injections and worked with unloader braces (which with Bill mentioning about bulky braces, I assumes was the choice they made). Kimmo wearing down over time is different than Grossmann IMO. Doesnt mean it wont happen, just that it would be a different way.

You may want to take notes, jak. Who knows, you might make a career of this someday.
- BulliesPhan87

The more I have thought about the Timonen extension, the more I realize that it's simply something that had to be done.

I don't doubt that Holmgren has been out, beating every bush in the trade market. I'm guessing that he's found no reason to expect he can pry a decent defenseman for less than a premium package in trade.

The other aspect is, look at the FA market, Timonen on a one year deal for $6mm looks a whole lot better to me than Ron Hainsey on a $5mm deal for 5 years. I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do agree with Bill that if he costs $6mm now, it won't be any less in June.
- Jsaquella

Jasq,

My point of view on this is, the Flyers will need to replace Kimmo and to replace him, that player( an #1 d-man) will command about the same as Kimmo. So for the Flyers to re-up Kimmo for one year at this dollar amount isn't a bad thing. This cap space will be used for a #1 wether it is Kimmo or someone else.

2 years from now when a few of the kids are due for raises this 6mil still needs to be available for the #1 d-man whom ever that might be, unless the Flyers land a kid who is in the early years of his career and has a low cap number.

Jasq,

My point of view on this is, the Flyers will need to replace Kimmo and to replace him that player( an #1 d-man) will command about the same as Kimmo. So for the Flyers to re-up Kimmo for one year at this dollar amount isn't a bad thing. This cap space will be used for a #1 wether it is Kimmo or someone else.

2 years from now when a few of the kids are due for raises this 6mil still needs to be available for the #1 d-man whom ever that might be, unless the Flyers land a kid who is in the early years of his career and has a low cap number.
- ggunky

Ultimately, the more I look at it, the more i am ok with it. Its just a continuation of this contract really.

Ultimately, the more I look at it, the more i am ok with it. Its just a continuation of this contract really.
- jak521

exactly.

Jasq,

My point of view on this is, the Flyers will need to replace Kimmo and to replace him, that player( an #1 d-man) will command about the same as Kimmo. So for the Flyers to re-up Kimmo for one year at this dollar amount isn't a bad thing. This cap space will be used for a #1 wether it is Kimmo or someone else.

2 years from now when a few of the kids are due for raises this 6mil still needs to be available for the #1 d-man whom ever that might be, unless the Flyers land a kid who is in the early years of his career and has a low cap number.
- ggunky

So what you're saying is he's tying Snider's hands before he can waste our #1 defenseman fund?

Jasq,

My point of view on this is, the Flyers will need to replace Kimmo and to replace him, that player( an #1 d-man) will command about the same as Kimmo. So for the Flyers to re-up Kimmo for one year at this dollar amount isn't a bad thing. This cap space will be used for a #1 wether it is Kimmo or someone else.

2 years from now when a few of the kids are due for raises this 6mil still needs to be available for the #1 d-man whom ever that might be, unless the Flyers land a kid who is in the early years of his career and has a low cap number.
- ggunky

But Weber makes more than $6 million.

Jasq,

My point of view on this is, the Flyers will need to replace Kimmo and to replace him, that player( an #1 d-man) will command about the same as Kimmo. So for the Flyers to re-up Kimmo for one year at this dollar amount isn't a bad thing. This cap space will be used for a #1 wether it is Kimmo or someone else.

2 years from now when a few of the kids are due for raises this 6mil still needs to be available for the #1 d-man whom ever that might be, unless the Flyers land a kid who is in the early years of his career and has a low cap number.
- ggunky

Ghost!

So what you're saying is he's tying Snider's hands before he can waste our #1 defenseman fund?
- BulliesPhan87

RITE!!!

But Weber makes more than $6 million.
- NickTheKid87

Well, yeah. 6mil is the base line for your slotted #1 d-man. Obviously, that dollar amount isnt a hard number it could be more or less.



Weber in O&B, we can dream.

But Weber makes more than $6 million.
- NickTheKid87

Off topic mr. Kid....who is the pic in your avatar?

Ghost!
- huks99

When looking for this #1 defenseman, it is useful to review where our guys rate on career performance against current NHL defensemen. There are few players that are far and away better than Coby, Mez, Kimmo.

Also, this year Weber has no points this year and Suter is a minus 7.

Here are some notable top UFA defensemen (as of right now) for 2014, 2015 and 2016:

2014
Jay Bouwmeester
Dan Boyle
Dion Phaneuf
Andrei Markov
Joni Pitkanen
Tom Gilbert
Andrej Meszaros
Kyle Quincey
Brooks Orpik
Willie Mitchell
Nik Hjalmarsson
Kris Letang
Dan Girardi
Dennis Seidenberg
Stephane Robidas

2015
Mike Green
Paul Martin
Keith Ballard
Zbynek Michalek
Marc Staal
Johnny Boychuk
Eric Brewer
Brad Stuart

2016
Brian Campbell
Brent Seabrook
Keith Yandle
Dustin Byfuglien
Alex Goligoski
Kevin Bieksa
Dan Hamhuis
Braydon Coburn
Anton Volchenkov
Mark Giordano
Erik Johnson
Luke Schenn
Nick Grossmann

Kinda weak until 2016 but I expect some extensions to those players so the amount that actually hit UFA will be much less. A trade will be the route for a #1/2 dman.

Well, yeah. 6mil is the base line for your slotted #1 d-man. Obviously, that dollar amount isnt a hard number it could be more or less.



Weber in O&B, we can dream.
- ggunky

It's never happening unless Nashville decides to change their colors.